+1 Nathan.
Aubrey
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:31 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
You know what, I think this outcome is not just disappointing, it's
positively astounding. I have a lot that I could say about it, but I can't
imagine what the point of saying it could possibly be. Chalk one
I totally agree with MZMcBride and Erik. It also depends and what the money
go for. If somebody is paid to bend the rules or use their privileged role,
it is an obvious problem. If somebody is paid a compensation for the costs
incurred in collecting materials (as sometimes is the case with
Hoi,
It is extremely sad to lose one of our best and brightest. Was there no
other way ?? Was this even considered ??
Thanks,
Gerard
On 9 January 2014 09:16, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote:
+1 Nathan.
Aubrey
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:31 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com
2014/1/9 Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl:
I totally agree with MZMcBride and Erik. It also depends and what the money
go for. If somebody is paid to bend the rules or use their privileged role,
it is an obvious problem. If somebody is paid a compensation for the costs
incurred in
Tomasz,
As has been said elsewhere, No registration required, we respect your
privacy, and no paid editing are fundamentally incompatible.
The only way that it would be possible for a system as you describe to
exist, the following would need to be true :
1) No more IP editing -- most COI
Hello,
I would like to speak on this list about the basic income.
For a TL;DR about the concept, the idea of an (unconditionnal) basic
income is to give each citizen of a country a sum of money in order to
fullfill their basic needs: lodging, eat, be healthy. To give an idea of
the amount, one
On Wed, 8 Jan 2014 16:07:47 -0800
Frank Schulenburg fschulenb...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear all,
I'm writing to let you know that Sarah Stierch is no longer an employee of
the Wikimedia Foundation.
I'm sorry to hear that. Good luck to Sarah on her future endeavours and I hope
she will
On 9 January 2014 00:07, Frank Schulenburg fschulenb...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
...
The Wikimedia Foundation has recently learned that Sarah has been editing
Wikipedia on behalf of paying clients, as recently as a few weeks ago. She
did that even though it is widely known that paid editing is
* Frank Schulenburg wrote:
And so I ask you to respect Sarah's privacy at what is surely a
difficult time for her, ...
An extremely visible public announcement that the Wikimedia Foundation
has fired her within two days of an allegation of misconduct -- that is
how you are making it sound -- is
Le 09/01/2014 10:59, Seb35 a écrit :
For a TL;DR about the concept, the idea of an (unconditionnal) basic
income is to give each citizen of a country a sum of money in order to
fullfill their basic needs: lodging, eat, be healthy. To give an idea of
the amount, one hears often 800-1000 € in
Interesting! As a member of the Green Party this is something I've read a
little bit about, but it's mostly spoken of in the context of its effects on
the welfare state.
The idea that it might increase the level of cognitive surplus available to
open source and collaborative projects, and so
The WMF has recently clarified that they frown upon paid editing.
Presumably offering basic wage for people to edit Wikipedia is still paid
editing?
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Le 09/01/2014 13:36, Fæ a écrit :
The WMF has recently clarified that they frown upon paid editing.
Presumably offering basic wage for people to edit Wikipedia is still paid
editing?
The answer is no, because the basic income is *unconditional*.
This is an income, not at wage.
Definition
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org wrote:
The WMF has recently clarified that they frown upon paid editing.
Presumably offering basic wage for people to edit Wikipedia is still paid
editing?
The answer is no, because the basic income is *unconditional*.
In Switzerland the national referendum has not approved it.
There was the idea to have a minimum guaranteed salary for all citizens and
the 1:12 (a manager could not receive a salary which is more than 12 times
than that of an employee of the same company) but both of them have not
been approved
Thanks. I don't see how this relates to Wikimedia projects, by definition
it is not.
On 9 January 2014 12:40, Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org wrote:
Le 09/01/2014 13:36, Fæ a écrit :
The WMF has recently clarified that they frown upon paid editing.
Presumably offering basic wage for
If a basic income is implemented somewhere in the world, people will have
more time for themselves in mean (probably more partial-time work), so
they will have more time to edit the Wikimedia projects, among other
possible activities. ~S
Le Thu, 09 Jan 2014 13:55:39 +0100, Fæ
On 9 January 2014 13:13, Seb35 seb35wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
If a basic income is implemented somewhere in the world, people will have
more time for themselves in mean (probably more partial-time work), so they
will have more time to edit the Wikimedia projects, among other possible
I know this initiative and it is also requested by M5S in Italy.
The problem is connected with the funds to finance this initiative.
The base is that a minimum income (and not guaranteed minimum salary) is
considered as a good way to assure also the reactivation of the internal
market, but no
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Seb35 seb35wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
If a basic income is implemented somewhere in the world, people will have
more time for themselves in mean (probably more partial-time work), so they
will have more time to edit the Wikimedia projects, among other possible
Add me to the list of people who are surprised the WMF has chosen to handle
this in so public and accusatory a manner. It is presumably their right to
sever business relationships with employees, of course, but they generally
don't do so by posting a public notice detailing the employee's alleged
Seb35, 09/01/2014 10:59:
As a Wikipmedian, I dream of such a basic income: it would empower the
people to edit the Wikimedia projects by giving them libre time (libre as
free speech). [...]
There are many political and economical variations of the proposal, but
this is usually *not* the
I'd suggest that income is not a particularly significant factor in whether
or not people participate in the Wikimedia movement, particularly as
editors. Infrastructure including internet access, education, and
availability of technology are far more significant.
These are all abundantly
Fae,
You raise very good points in your email, and I have posted this for
consideration by the WMF Board of Trustees
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#Undeclared_conflicts_of_interest
If anyone wishes to support this please feel free to do so on the
On 9 Jan 2014, at 14:32, Katherine Casey fluffernutter.w...@gmail.com wrote:
Add me to the list of people who are surprised the WMF has chosen to handle
this in so public and accusatory a manner. It is presumably their right to
sever business relationships with employees, of course, but they
Thank you for highlighting something I should have clarified better in my post,
MZMcBride. That sentence should have read paid advocacy editing in line with
Sue's blog post that you referenced.
We continue to support the important work Sarah and others have done in the
GLAM sector through
REMINDER: This meeting starts in 30 minutes.
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Praveena Maharaj pmaha...@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Dear all,
The next WMF metrics and activities meeting will take place on Thursday,
January 9, 2014 at 7:00 PM UTC (11 AM PST). Please note that on this
occasion we are
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, but the question is how to enable such a system. If the rules for
paid editors were to be very strict - many paid editors would have
still decide to do it in secrecy anyway,
oh, but there will ALWAYS be those
On 1/9/14, 6:05 AM, Jonathan Deamer wrote:
The idea that it might increase the level of cognitive surplus available to
open source and collaborative projects, and so these projects might have a
political interest in encouraging a basic income, is quite novel to me.
This is something I've been
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote:
A basic income would remove the need for such accounting overhead, since
one could just focus on how to best contribute to society, without having
to worry about how to monetize and own every contribution. But absent
such
I like such proposals (sarcasm).
where do you get the money from, what you wish to distribute?
In general free money - less people will work (why to work if I still get
money? - see the masses living on unemployment benefits - libre time :) )
- less people working - higher taxes - people will be
On 09/01/2014 02:45, MZMcBride wrote:
Clarifying whether it's appropriate for anyone, Wikimedia Foundation
employee or otherwise, to engage with oDesk's... other services seems like
a pretty high priority. And, in general, there needs to be clarification
about the distinction between paid
I also support the BI idea but this is too off-topic.
Please discuss this in a more appropriate place (talk pages or
/r/basicincome in reddit, etc).
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Le 09/01/2014 20:50, Balázs Viczián a écrit :
I like such proposals (sarcasm).
where do you get the money from, what you wish to distribute?
In general free money - less people will work (why to work if I still get
money? - see the masses living on unemployment benefits - libre time :) )
In fact, a simple note that Sarah has left the WMF would, of course, have
been enough from the WMF side. BUT, the obvious questions would then have
been directed to Sarah in any possible way, most probably. And I guess, she
just doesn't wish to answer those questions right now and I can fully
Hi, all-
The Foundation's legal team is happy to announce that the first draft
of the new data retention guidelines are now available for your
translation, review, and feedback. This draft is the result of a
collaboration between many teams within the Foundation, including
Analytics, Operations,
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Fajro fai...@gmail.com wrote:
I also support the BI idea but this is too off-topic.
Yes, please, people. We have raised awareness just fine, let's not
discuss it here.
thanks,
Peter
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You are certainly right, Michael. I suppose that WMF and Sarah communicated
with each other, and Frank has carefully chosen to use these words.
Kind regards
Ziko
Am Donnerstag, 9. Januar 2014 schrieb Michael Peel :
On 9 Jan 2014, at 14:32, Katherine Casey
On 9 January 2014 22:43, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote:
You are certainly right, Michael. I suppose that WMF and Sarah communicated
with each other, and Frank has carefully chosen to use these words.
Kind regards
Ziko
It would not be abnormal in the US for a termination of
I agree with you, Dariusz.
We have discussed this at length in the community, and at Wikipedia Academy
in Oslo in december.
There is minimal support of a ban of paid editing. One thing is the fact
that we have both Wikipedians in Residence and editing scholarships with
GLAM institutions. It is
Happy new year, everyone!
Many thanks to all of you who contributed to our multimedia programs last year!
Now that we have a new multimedia team at WMF, we look forward to making some
good progress together this year.
To kick off the new year, here is a proposed multimedia vision for 2016,
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/09/fashion/Wikipedia-Judith-Newman.html
This piece by Judith Newman has some amusing snippets. :-)
MZMcBride
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