Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement Sarah Stierch

2014-01-09 Thread Andrea Zanni
+1 Nathan. Aubrey On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:31 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: You know what, I think this outcome is not just disappointing, it's positively astounding. I have a lot that I could say about it, but I can't imagine what the point of saying it could possibly be. Chalk one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-09 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
I totally agree with MZMcBride and Erik. It also depends and what the money go for. If somebody is paid to bend the rules or use their privileged role, it is an obvious problem. If somebody is paid a compensation for the costs incurred in collecting materials (as sometimes is the case with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement Sarah Stierch

2014-01-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is extremely sad to lose one of our best and brightest. Was there no other way ?? Was this even considered ?? Thanks, Gerard On 9 January 2014 09:16, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Nathan. Aubrey On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:31 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-09 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2014/1/9 Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl: I totally agree with MZMcBride and Erik. It also depends and what the money go for. If somebody is paid to bend the rules or use their privileged role, it is an obvious problem. If somebody is paid a compensation for the costs incurred in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-09 Thread Russavia
Tomasz, As has been said elsewhere, No registration required, we respect your privacy, and no paid editing are fundamentally incompatible. The only way that it would be possible for a system as you describe to exist, the following would need to be true : 1) No more IP editing -- most COI

[Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Seb35
Hello, I would like to speak on this list about the basic income. For a TL;DR about the concept, the idea of an (unconditionnal) basic income is to give each citizen of a country a sum of money in order to fullfill their basic needs: lodging, eat, be healthy. To give an idea of the amount, one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement Sarah Stierch

2014-01-09 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wed, 8 Jan 2014 16:07:47 -0800 Frank Schulenburg fschulenb...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear all, I'm writing to let you know that Sarah Stierch is no longer an employee of the Wikimedia Foundation. I'm sorry to hear that. Good luck to Sarah on her future endeavours and I hope she will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement Sarah Stierch

2014-01-09 Thread
On 9 January 2014 00:07, Frank Schulenburg fschulenb...@wikimedia.org wrote: ... The Wikimedia Foundation has recently learned that Sarah has been editing Wikipedia on behalf of paying clients, as recently as a few weeks ago. She did that even though it is widely known that paid editing is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement Sarah Stierch

2014-01-09 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Frank Schulenburg wrote: And so I ask you to respect Sarah's privacy at what is surely a difficult time for her, ... An extremely visible public announcement that the Wikimedia Foundation has fired her within two days of an allegation of misconduct -- that is how you are making it sound -- is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
Le 09/01/2014 10:59, Seb35 a écrit : For a TL;DR about the concept, the idea of an (unconditionnal) basic income is to give each citizen of a country a sum of money in order to fullfill their basic needs: lodging, eat, be healthy. To give an idea of the amount, one hears often 800-1000 € in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Deamer
Interesting! As a member of the Green Party this is something I've read a little bit about, but it's mostly spoken of in the context of its effects on the welfare state. The idea that it might increase the level of cognitive surplus available to open source and collaborative projects, and so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread
​The WMF has recently clarified that they frown upon paid editing. Presumably offering basic wage for people to edit Wikipedia is still paid editing? ​ -- fae...@gmail.com http://j.mp/faewm ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
Le 09/01/2014 13:36, Fæ a écrit : ​The WMF has recently clarified that they frown upon paid editing. Presumably offering basic wage for people to edit Wikipedia is still paid editing? The answer is no, because the basic income is *unconditional*. This is an income, not at wage. Definition

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org wrote: The WMF has recently clarified that they frown upon paid editing. Presumably offering basic wage for people to edit Wikipedia is still paid editing? The answer is no, because the basic income is *unconditional*.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Ilario Valdelli
In Switzerland the national referendum has not approved it. There was the idea to have a minimum guaranteed salary for all citizens and the 1:12 (a manager could not receive a salary which is more than 12 times than that of an employee of the same company) but both of them have not been approved

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread
Thanks. I don't see how this relates to Wikimedia projects, by definition it is not. On 9 January 2014 12:40, Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org wrote: Le 09/01/2014 13:36, Fæ a écrit : ​The WMF has recently clarified that they frown upon paid editing. Presumably offering basic wage for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Seb35
If a basic income is implemented somewhere in the world, people will have more time for themselves in mean (probably more partial-time work), so they will have more time to edit the Wikimedia projects, among other possible activities. ~S Le Thu, 09 Jan 2014 13:55:39 +0100, Fæ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread
On 9 January 2014 13:13, Seb35 seb35wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: If a basic income is implemented somewhere in the world, people will have more time for themselves in mean (probably more partial-time work), so they will have more time to edit the Wikimedia projects, among other possible

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I know this initiative and it is also requested by M5S in Italy. The problem is connected with the funds to finance this initiative. The base is that a minimum income (and not guaranteed minimum salary) is considered as a good way to assure also the reactivation of the internal market, but no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Seb35 seb35wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: If a basic income is implemented somewhere in the world, people will have more time for themselves in mean (probably more partial-time work), so they will have more time to edit the Wikimedia projects, among other possible

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement Sarah Stierch

2014-01-09 Thread Katherine Casey
Add me to the list of people who are surprised the WMF has chosen to handle this in so public and accusatory a manner. It is presumably their right to sever business relationships with employees, of course, but they generally don't do so by posting a public notice detailing the employee's alleged

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Seb35, 09/01/2014 10:59: As a Wikipmedian, I dream of such a basic income: it would empower the people to edit the Wikimedia projects by giving them libre time (libre as free speech). [...] There are many political and economical variations of the proposal, but this is usually *not* the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Risker
I'd suggest that income is not a particularly significant factor in whether or not people participate in the Wikimedia movement, particularly as editors. Infrastructure including internet access, education, and availability of technology are far more significant. These are all abundantly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement Sarah Stierch

2014-01-09 Thread Russavia
Fae, You raise very good points in your email, and I have posted this for consideration by the WMF Board of Trustees https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#Undeclared_conflicts_of_interest If anyone wishes to support this please feel free to do so on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement Sarah Stierch

2014-01-09 Thread Michael Peel
On 9 Jan 2014, at 14:32, Katherine Casey fluffernutter.w...@gmail.com wrote: Add me to the list of people who are surprised the WMF has chosen to handle this in so public and accusatory a manner. It is presumably their right to sever business relationships with employees, of course, but they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-09 Thread Frank Schulenburg
Thank you for highlighting something I should have clarified better in my post, MZMcBride. That sentence should have read paid advocacy editing in line with Sue's blog post that you referenced. We continue to support the important work Sarah and others have done in the GLAM sector through

Re: [Wikimedia-l] *** DATE CHANGE *** Invitation to WMF December 2013 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, January 9, 19:00 UTC

2014-01-09 Thread Praveena Maharaj
REMINDER: This meeting starts in 30 minutes. On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Praveena Maharaj pmaha...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Dear all, The next WMF metrics and activities meeting will take place on Thursday, January 9, 2014 at 7:00 PM UTC (11 AM PST). Please note that on this occasion we are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-09 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but the question is how to enable such a system. If the rules for paid editors were to be very strict - many paid editors would have still decide to do it in secrecy anyway, oh, but there will ALWAYS be those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Mark
On 1/9/14, 6:05 AM, Jonathan Deamer wrote: The idea that it might increase the level of cognitive surplus available to open source and collaborative projects, and so these projects might have a political interest in encouraging a basic income, is quite novel to me. This is something I've been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread phoebe ayers
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote: A basic income would remove the need for such accounting overhead, since one could just focus on how to best contribute to society, without having to worry about how to monetize and own every contribution. But absent such

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Balázs Viczián
I like such proposals (sarcasm). where do you get the money from, what you wish to distribute? In general free money - less people will work (why to work if I still get money? - see the masses living on unemployment benefits - libre time :) ) - less people working - higher taxes - people will be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-09 Thread ???
On 09/01/2014 02:45, MZMcBride wrote: Clarifying whether it's appropriate for anyone, Wikimedia Foundation employee or otherwise, to engage with oDesk's... other services seems like a pretty high priority. And, in general, there needs to be clarification about the distinction between paid

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Fajro
I also support the BI idea but this is too off-topic. Please discuss this in a more appropriate place (talk pages or /r/basicincome in reddit, etc). -- Fajro ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
Le 09/01/2014 20:50, Balázs Viczián a écrit : I like such proposals (sarcasm). where do you get the money from, what you wish to distribute? In general free money - less people will work (why to work if I still get money? - see the masses living on unemployment benefits - libre time :) )

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement Sarah Stierch

2014-01-09 Thread Thomas Goldammer
In fact, a simple note that Sarah has left the WMF would, of course, have been enough from the WMF side. BUT, the obvious questions would then have been directed to Sarah in any possible way, most probably. And I guess, she just doesn't wish to answer those questions right now and I can fully

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] draft Data Retention Guidelines posted for discussion and commentary

2014-01-09 Thread Luis Villa
Hi, all- The Foundation's legal team is happy to announce that the first draft of the new data retention guidelines are now available for your translation, review, and feedback. This draft is the result of a collaboration between many teams within the Foundation, including Analytics, Operations,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Peter Gervai
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Fajro fai...@gmail.com wrote: I also support the BI idea but this is too off-topic. Yes, please, people. We have raised awareness just fine, let's not discuss it here. thanks, Peter ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement Sarah Stierch

2014-01-09 Thread Ziko van Dijk
You are certainly right, Michael. I suppose that WMF and Sarah communicated with each other, and Frank has carefully chosen to use these words. Kind regards Ziko Am Donnerstag, 9. Januar 2014 schrieb Michael Peel : On 9 Jan 2014, at 14:32, Katherine Casey

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement Sarah Stierch

2014-01-09 Thread
On 9 January 2014 22:43, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: You are certainly right, Michael. I suppose that WMF and Sarah communicated with each other, and Frank has carefully chosen to use these words. Kind regards Ziko It would not be abnormal in the US for a termination of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-09 Thread Erlend Bjørtvedt
I agree with you, Dariusz. We have discussed this at length in the community, and at Wikipedia Academy in Oslo in december. There is minimal support of a ban of paid editing. One thing is the fact that we have both Wikipedians in Residence and editing scholarships with GLAM institutions. It is

[Wikimedia-l] A Multimedia Vision for 2016

2014-01-09 Thread Fabrice Florin
Happy new year, everyone! Many thanks to all of you who contributed to our multimedia programs last year! Now that we have a new multimedia team at WMF, we look forward to making some good progress together this year. To kick off the new year, here is a proposed multimedia vision for 2016,

[Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia-Mania in the New York Times

2014-01-09 Thread MZMcBride
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/09/fashion/Wikipedia-Judith-Newman.html This piece by Judith Newman has some amusing snippets. :-) MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: