Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Andrew Gray
I don't know if we can confidently assume non-registered users know that they're using a shared IP - one of the most frequent complaints from readers, historically, was some variant on why the am I getting all these messages, I never edited anything with varying degrees of alarm/distress. A.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-13 Thread Stevie Benton
Andrew sums up the situation in the UK very well. For some Wikimedian in Residence positions they are entirely funded by the chapter. Others involve funding from both the institution and the chapter. A third model involves a residency being funded by a third party. For example, there's a residency

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/13/2014 12:19 AM, Tim Starling wrote: Not as fast as revisions, and we seem to cope with those. Fair enough. So you'd implicitly create the user, track it by cookie? With some well designed UX this'd work well and hide IPs entirely (and allow users that do create an account to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread James Forrester
On 13 January 2014 05:18, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 01/13/2014 12:19 AM, Tim Starling wrote: Not as fast as revisions, and we seem to cope with those. Fair enough. So you'd implicitly create the user, track it by cookie? With some well designed UX this'd work well and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Thyge
I'm not into the technicalities, but to hide ip's entirely on the sites would be the biggest advance in improving privacy I can think of... regards, Thyge - Sir49 2014/1/13 Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org On 01/13/2014 12:19 AM, Tim Starling wrote: Not as fast as revisions, and we seem

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Bonjour

2014-01-13 Thread Benoit Landry
I assume thhis is some sort of spam; here's a translation: Hello, I'm sorry for the inconvenience, I would like to get to know you and form a sincere friendship with you, please reply to me. I promise I'll be honest and maintain a good relationship with you. Kisses,Macoral Marriet Make of that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Bonjour

2014-01-13 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Absolutely yes. It's suffucient to check in internet. Il 13/gen/2014 21:29 Benoit Landry benoit_lan...@hotmail.com ha scritto: I assume thhis is some sort of spam; here's a translation: Hello, I'm sorry for the inconvenience, I would like to get to know you and form a sincere friendship with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Isarra Yos
On 13/01/14 20:37, Risker wrote: m...@uberbox.orgOf course there already exists a way to thank IP editors. It is to go to their talk page and leave them a message that says Thanks for your edit here [link to diff]. It is far more personal, far more likely to encourage the user to edit further

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Steven Walling
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not entirely certain it's a good idea to technologize such very basic user interactions. It takes as much work to thank someone using notifications as it does to leave them a talk page message. That's empirically not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Oliver Keyes
Indeed. I see a user's awesome edit, via a diff. I hit thank. I hit okay. I see a user's awesome edit, via a diff. I hit the talk link, I hit the new section button, I fill in my message, I save my message. Ultimately, though, this compares apples to oranges; nobody is technologizing this kind

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Blog posts by Foundation Board members

2014-01-13 Thread Jay Walsh
Dear all, Today the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees have posted the first of a new series of monthly blog posts to the Wikimedia blog. The first post, from Vice Chair Phoebe Ayers, is an introduction to the Board, its mandate, and its work within the community. You can find that post at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Risker
I dunno, guys. I certainly would take a talk page message over a mechanical thank any day of the week. More particularly, I notice a significant trend in using thank notifications to express agreement with people without having to actually say yeah, I agree somewhere. That the loss of human

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Steven Walling, 13/01/2014 23:24: On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not entirely certain it's a good idea to technologize such very basic user interactions. It takes as much work to thank someone using notifications as it does to leave them a talk page

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Steven Walling
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I dunno, guys. I certainly would take a talk page message over a mechanical thank any day of the week. More particularly, I notice a significant trend in using thank notifications to express agreement with people without

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Tim Starling
On 14/01/14 00:18, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 01/13/2014 12:19 AM, Tim Starling wrote: Not as fast as revisions, and we seem to cope with those. Fair enough. So you'd implicitly create the user, track it by cookie? With some well designed UX this'd work well and hide IPs entirely (and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 13 January 2014 15:03, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I dunno, guys. I certainly would take a talk page message over a mechanical thank any day of the week. More particularly, I notice a significant

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 01/13/2014 01:25 AM, MZMcBride wrote: I don't follow what you're saying about a bot account being the only alternative. You can use the exact same user interface exposure (i.e., little (thanks) links) and simply post to the IP's talk page rather than creating an Echo (logged-in user)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Jan 13, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: we're getting almost 3,000 thanks actions a day, every day It would be interesting to know if that impacted the number of barnstars — Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/13/2014 10:14 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: Without publically displayed IPs for anonymous edits, people couldn't do that. That has, traditionally, been very much useless in practice. It's extraordinarily rare that abuse teams will even speak to checkusers, and they have some veil of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/13/2014 11:20 PM, Tim Starling wrote: The English Wikipedia edit rate has been declining since about January 2007, and is now only 67% of the rate at that time. A linear regression on the edit rate from that time predicts death of the project at around 2030. That's... come /on/ Tim!

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Tim Starling
On 14/01/14 15:38, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 01/13/2014 11:20 PM, Tim Starling wrote: The English Wikipedia edit rate has been declining since about January 2007, and is now only 67% of the rate at that time. A linear regression on the edit rate from that time predicts death of the project

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: Reversing the decline in editor population has been a major strategic priority of WMF for many years. You are saying you have never heard of it before? Well, here is some reading material for you:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/13/2014 11:56 PM, Tim Starling wrote: Reversing the decline in editor population has been a major strategic priority of WMF for many years. My own opinion about how that decline isn't nearly as bad as some claim is well known. But also entirely besides the point: I was referring to that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Tim Starling
On 14/01/14 16:08, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 01/13/2014 11:56 PM, Tim Starling wrote: Reversing the decline in editor population has been a major strategic priority of WMF for many years. My own opinion about how that decline isn't nearly as bad as some claim is well known. But also