Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-02-26 Thread David Gerard
On 24 February 2014 20:51, Galileo Vidoni gali...@gmail.com wrote: However, over the last months certain Wikimedia Commons administrators have conducted massive deletions of these contents, in many cases involving entire categories. The burden of proof has been inverted: instead of having to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Cool Projects

2014-02-26 Thread Cristian Consonni
2014-02-26 5:34 GMT+01:00 Àlex Hinojo alexhin...@gmail.com: thanks A LOT for all your hours and your time. strong +1. Also I think that the fact of being able of creating something that can continue after you is a great achievement and you should be proud of that. Enjoy the seats! C

[Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

2014-02-26 Thread Pierre-Selim
I'm sorry but I find it pretty inappropriate that a chapter published such strong words about volunteers of a Wikimedia Project *certain legal fetishism whose reason gets lost in processes and misses the outcome.* I'm speaking on my behalf, however as a former board member of a Wikimedia Chapter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

2014-02-26 Thread Cristian Consonni
2014-02-26 13:26 GMT+01:00 Pierre-Selim pierre-se...@huard.info: As a Wikimedia Commons volunteer I'm disappointed by the process followed by some chapters, i.e. which have chosen to bypass the community and send a letter directly to the board of trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation. However,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

2014-02-26 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Maybe it's a cultural issue, does e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_letter have a geopolitically limited point of view? Open letters are a common tool of *discussion* with the public (= community in our case) in the corners of the world that I know best. Nemo

[Wikimedia-l] [WMCON14] Next version of the programme outline published

2014-02-26 Thread Nicole Ebber
Dear fellow Wikimedians, the programme team has just published an updated version of the sessions that we are planning to cover at the Wikimedia Conference (April 10-13, Berlin): Right now, we have 30 sessions on the agenda![1] Please note that this is still work in progress, it is not all set

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

2014-02-26 Thread
On 26 February 2014 13:51, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it's a cultural issue, does e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_letter have a geopolitically limited point of view? Open letters are a common tool of *discussion* with the public (= community in our case) in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

2014-02-26 Thread Carlos M. Colina
Wait, aren't the chapters composed from people from the wikimedia community? Also, didn't  you guys stop by a second to think the chapter thoroughly discussed the contents of the letter with its members,  which may vote in favor or against publishing it? And if it is on Meta, is open to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

2014-02-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 February 2014 16:46, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone wants to create meaningful and lasting change to Commons, then please create a Request for Comment on Commons[1] rather than making a fuss and criticising Commons (volunteer) administrators in non-Commons discussion channels,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-02-26 Thread Lionel Allorge
Hi, ... Many years ago, the editors of the Spanish Wikipedia decided to close the possibility to directly host images, choosing instead to use Wikimedia Commons. If we miss the opportunity to find a workaround that saves hundreds of thousands of images from an unrequested deletion that hurts

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

2014-02-26 Thread
On 26 February 2014 17:07, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 February 2014 16:46, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone wants to create meaningful and lasting change to Commons, then please create a Request for Comment on Commons[1] rather than making a fuss and criticising Commons

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-02-26 Thread Yann Forget
Hi, 2014-02-26 16:01 GMT+05:30 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: On 24 February 2014 20:51, Galileo Vidoni gali...@gmail.com wrote: However, over the last months certain Wikimedia Commons administrators have conducted massive deletions of these contents, in many cases involving entire

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

2014-02-26 Thread Yann Forget
Hi, 2014-02-26 22:56 GMT+05:30 Fæ fae...@gmail.com: On 26 February 2014 17:07, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 February 2014 16:46, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone wants to create meaningful and lasting change to Commons, then please create a Request for Comment on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

2014-02-26 Thread
On 26 February 2014 17:55, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: ... On this, I agree (at least partially) with David. If only some Commons admins were not pursuing a political campaign to delete URAA-affected files under false pretences, everything would be much better. If you have the evidence

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

2014-02-26 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Fæ, 26/02/2014 17:46: For Chapters, I suggest you check who among your active volunteers are most active on Commons[2] and ask them to help engage or create discussion about policy and guideline changes. If you cannot find anyone close to your chapter that is active and engaged on Commons,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

2014-02-26 Thread Yann Forget
2014-02-26 23:39 GMT+05:30 Fæ fae...@gmail.com: On 26 February 2014 17:55, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: ... On this, I agree (at least partially) with David. If only some Commons admins were not pursuing a political campaign to delete URAA-affected files under false pretences,

[Wikimedia-l] ( National Students Union of India ) Goa- State President. Sanjay R.S.

2014-02-26 Thread Siyona G Gaunkar
 ( National Students Union of India ) Goa- State President. Sanjay R.S.   Like his father, Sanjay Roque Santan started his public life at an early age while in high school by participate in the 1979, 50% concession struggle of Goan students, Public transport on strike he is known to have walked

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-02-26 Thread Galileo Vidoni
Thanks for your replies. We'll surely take the French precedent into account if Commons' admins fail to reconsider the current policies and we propose hosting images on the Spanish Wikipedia. By the way, I forgot to mention that we've also published this letter on Meta and that there's also an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-02-26 Thread geni
On 24 February 2014 20:51, Galileo Vidoni gali...@gmail.com wrote: Dear movement fellows, Wikimedia Argentina would like to express its support for the letter by Wikimedia Israel regarding URAA-motivated massive content deletions in Wikimedia Commons. Yet, we would like to express our view

[Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor Office Hours for March April

2014-02-26 Thread Maggie Dennis
Hi, guys. I just wanted to let you know, so you could mark your calendars if interested, that there are two IRC office hours scheduled to discuss VisualEditor in March and one in April. The first will be held on Monday March 17 at 1500 UTC and the second will be held on Wednesday March 19 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-02-26 Thread Galileo Vidoni
[Sorry for this excurse] Dear Geni, the 20 years indeed come from article 24 of law 11 723. The 25 years come from the Berne Convention. In any case, Argentine copyright law is already known and documented in Commons, and we have been using a specific template (PD-AR-Photo) for years. Regarding

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-02-26 Thread geni
On 26 February 2014 22:39, Galileo Vidoni gali...@gmail.com wrote: [Sorry for this excurse] Dear Geni, the 20 years indeed come from article 24 of law 11 723. The 25 years come from the Berne Convention. But that merely established a minimum under international law. Unless you have some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

2014-02-26 Thread Luiz Augusto
I really expect to not being, what in Brazil we call as jogar lenha na fogueira (throw fuel on the fire in a literal translation) but... The question here is something that the Board of Trustees known since 2007 [1], when it raised firstly by Wikisource volunteers: what to do with works still

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

2014-02-26 Thread Avenue
Look, I have no problem with the open letters from WM Venezuela, España or Israel. I might not agree 100% with everything in them, but they are generally on top of the issues, and they focus on the problems they law poses for us and our need for better solutions - all worth bringing to a wider