Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Internet's Own Boy: Aaron Swartz

2014-07-03 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Jake [and all], On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 23:04:57 -0700 Jake Orlowitz jorlow...@gmail.com wrote: The Aaron Swartz Documentary was released this weekend. I don't know what quite to say except that you should watch it, and it's free (cause it's CC-licensed). Watch on youtube:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-07-03 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Michael, On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 16:16:58 +0100 Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote: Anyone with even a passing familiarity with the notice boards on Commons, or who is subscribed to this mailing list, will be aware of a huge, wide-ranging and unfocused set of disputes and ill-natured

[Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread James Salsman
Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give User:Dispenser 24 TB on Tool Labs? To me this just shouts some of our people are not yet in the top quintile of their fields. Seriously. If you don't want to have to wait for REST transactions, it seems like a completely reasonable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Strainu
2014-07-03 14:12 GMT+03:00 James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com: Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give User:Dispenser 24 TB on Tool Labs? Context please? Strainu ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-07-03 Thread Peter Southwood
Wonderful, I have high expectations of your ability and willingness to solve these problems, Please notify us of your success so we can celebrate. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Michael Peel
On 3 Jul 2014, at 12:14, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-07-03 14:12 GMT+03:00 James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com: Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give User:Dispenser 24 TB on Tool Labs? Context please? There's been a discussion of this topic going on at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread John
Im mobile right now, do this will be short. He is throwing a tantrum because WMF won't give him 24TB of storage for a project that has legal questionablity. So he is using his existing tools as leverage aka hostages to force the issue. I find that very bad behavior on his part On Thursday, July

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread James Salsman
throwing a tantrum because WMF won't give him 24TB of storage for a project that has legal questionablity If society depended on lawyers for determining the parameters of their inverted indices, you would all be using WAIS for the last five years of corporate press releases for your reference

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-07-03 Thread Peter Gervai
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: Wonderful, I have high expectations of your ability and willingness to solve these problems, Please notify us of your success so we can celebrate. This was neither constructive nor civilised. It shows that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Richard Symonds
Probably something better suited for a technical mailing list. Not really something we can help with on Wikimedia-l as very few of us have the technical skills to know what's going on... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in

[Wikimedia-l] FDC nominations - shortlist announced

2014-07-03 Thread Bishakha Datta
Dear all, Many thanks to all those who nominated themselves for the four vacancies on the FDC; we have an excellent slate of candidates. The shortlist of candidates has been posted on meta:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF June 2014 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, July 3, 18:00 UTC

2014-07-03 Thread Praveena Maharaj
REMINDER: This meeting starts in 30 minutes. On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Praveena Maharaj pmaha...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear all, The next WMF metrics and activities meeting will take place on Thursday, July 3, 2014 at 6 PM UTC (11 AM PDT). The IRC channel is #wikimedia-office on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/03/2014 07:12 AM, James Salsman wrote: Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give User:Dispenser 24 TB on Tool Labs? To make matters a bit clearer, Dispenser's current Reflinks tool (and all his others) do not need 24T of storage (nor would toolserver have had that

[Wikimedia-l] Comment on the content, not the contributor - with staff?

2014-07-03 Thread Isarra Yos
Hey, all. Bit of a question, here. Basically, how does comment on the content, not the contributor apply to staff and contractors? What can we, as volunteers, do when we believe staff have gone too far (besides create drama on a mailing list)? In many of our communities, we have a saying:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comment on the content, not the contributor - with staff?

2014-07-03 Thread Pine W
In the past, this mailing list has been used for discussions of staff conduct, which I am not sure is the best idea when identifiable people are involved. I suggest that a first line of approach would be to discuss the matter civilly with the people directly involved including the employee and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Gregory Varnum
That all seems logical, appropriate, and aligned with our current procedures. So..what's the problem? -greg aka varnent On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 07/03/2014 07:12 AM, James Salsman wrote: Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread John
I'm in the process of working with Dispenser to get said proposal written and the ball rolling. However this process will take some time On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote: That all seems logical, appropriate, and aligned with our current procedures.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comment on the content, not the contributor - with staff?

2014-07-03 Thread Isarra Yos
On 03/07/14 18:16, Pine W wrote: In the past, this mailing list has been used for discussions of staff conduct, which I am not sure is the best idea when identifiable people are involved. I suggest that a first line of approach would be to discuss the matter civilly with the people directly

[Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors

2014-07-03 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
I am, at this moment, trying to give a workshop on Wikipedia to professors and they are having their own user pages being speedily deleted by Tarawa1943 and Taichi We have sent polite messages to them and bibliotecarios (admins) but the deletions continue. Suggestions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread James Salsman
... His demands for the storage are for a new version of the tool he is yet to write that is meant to actually cache the external link's webpages...likely to need Legal to look into Just like any search engine keeps a reconstructable representation of the indexed text. There is absolutely no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors

2014-07-03 Thread Risker
What project(s) are you working on? Risker On 3 July 2014 18:12, Leigh Thelmadatter osama...@hotmail.com wrote: I am, at this moment, trying to give a workshop on Wikipedia to professors and they are having their own user pages being speedily deleted by Tarawa1943 and Taichi We have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors

2014-07-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Risker, 04/07/2014 00:15: What project(s) are you working on? Bibliotecarios = es.wiki crat-sysops. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors

2014-07-03 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
es.wiki creating user pages Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 00:20:26 +0200 From: nemow...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors Risker, 04/07/2014 00:15: What project(s) are you working on? Bibliotecarios = es.wiki

[Wikimedia-l] red cross

2014-07-03 Thread rupert THURNER
hi, did anybody of you already have contact with the red cross or the icrc? concerning wikipedia, offline, commons, maps, wikinews? would there be any topic interesting for a cooperation? rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Magnus Manske
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:14 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Why does the Foundation need a proposal to do that? Where is that requirement documented? I work in a research institute that has 20 Petabyte of spinning disk. If I need 20TB of server-grade storage, I have to make a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] Evacuation

2014-07-03 Thread David Gerard
Thank you, Magnus! (add wikimedia-l to cc) - d. On 3 July 2014 21:47, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: An attempt to alleviate the tensions caused by file deletions on Commons: http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=218 ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread James Salsman
... I am glad that there is at least some sanity checking On my happy planet, sanity means taking historical progress into account when telling people that they have to fill out a form and wait for committee review when making a reasonable request for an obvious need. There is so much more that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Magnus Manske
And imagine what I could do with a space rocket and a nuclear reactor! Wikipedia Mars mission! ANYONE can run tools on Labs for free! It's just when you ask for a huge chunk of hardware that someone dares to ask what you plan to do with it, once you get it for free. Calling that censorship if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Spam] Re: 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Andrew Gray
On 3 July 2014 18:49, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: Also, 24T is a significant chunk of the space available to Labs in general; storage is nowhere near as inexpensive in our context as would be with off-the-shelf customer-grade disks. There's nothing that prevents us from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread
On 3 July 2014 19:16, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote: That all seems logical, appropriate, and aligned with our current procedures. So..what's the problem? Left hand not talking to the right hand I think. I was gobsmacked to find that the reflinks tool had not been carefully

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: I was gobsmacked to find that the reflinks tool had not been carefully transitioned and no plan for it was in place, Me too, to the extent I'm gobsmacked by anything these days. My students love this tool, it's one of the primary

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread James Salsman
[Calling] when you ask for a huge chunk of hardware [and] someone dares to ask what you plan to do with it, once you get it for free ... censorship is trolling I was not complaining about the question, I was sincerely complaining about the answer. We need Foundation staff with the capability

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Douglas Gardner
Is Reftools FOSS? Is the source code available? If so, why isn't somebody else just migrating it to WMFlabs, and what can be done to help that happen? I may be missing something, but Dispenser's tools appear to be migrated at: http://tools.wmflabs.org/dispenser/view/Main_Page -- Douglas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/03/2014 07:03 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: Is Reftools FOSS? Is the source code available? If so, why isn't somebody else just migrating it to WMFlabs, and what can be done to help that happen? No, it is not, and Dispenser has explicitly stated that nobody was allowed to run it. In

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread James Salsman
Dispenser's tools appear to be migrated at: http://tools.wmflabs.org/dispenser/view/Main_Page This page was last modified on 24 July 2012 at 04:01 (UTC) https://tools.wmflabs.org/dispenser/cgi-bin/categorder.py/Category:All_articles_with_improper_non-free_content is still down.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Israel received the Roaring Lion Award for the Hebrew Wikipedia 10th anniversary PR

2014-07-03 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Congratulations.. Many awards are known at Wikidata and, the Roaring Lion Award is now one of them. Given that the Israeli chapter received this award, the item for the chapter has been updated with this fact. Also added were its creation date and the fact that it is a chapter. It turns out

Re: [Wikimedia-l] red cross

2014-07-03 Thread Richard Symonds
I think John Cummings might know a bit. On 3 Jul 2014 23:27, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: hi, did anybody of you already have contact with the red cross or the icrc? concerning wikipedia, offline, commons, maps, wikinews? would there be any topic interesting for a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Richard Symonds
You say 'if only the Foundation matches my donation'... I don't want to sound daft, but from a financial viewpoint, I don't think it's a donation if you're getting something (a survey) in return. On 4 Jul 2014 00:18, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: [Calling] when you ask for a huge

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread James Salsman
I don't think it's a donation if you're getting something (a survey) in return. How could the Foundation possibly not benefit from understanding contributors' opinions about general strategic goals for improving participation? I also want development of accuracy review. If there are any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 5:20 AM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: throwing a tantrum because WMF won't give him 24TB of storage for a project that has legal questionablity If society depended on lawyers for determining the parameters of their inverted indices, you would all be using

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread John
Ill be blunt here, Dispenser's existing tools do not need more than a few hundred megabytes of space for storage. He however does have an idea for a set of tools (or one super massive depending on your perspective) which is a resource hog and will need a consult with WMF legal to OK it. Up until

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] Evacuation

2014-07-03 Thread Pete Forsyth
David, thanks for posting that link here. Magnus, it looks like you've made (yet another) excellent tool, and described the problem it aims to alleviate in an eloquent and accessible way. Great to see a step forward in this area! Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]] On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:35 PM, David

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Samuel Klein
Hello John, On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:39 PM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: However I spent some time with him and chiseled out a few things, have a grasp on exactly what Dispenser wants to accomplish and the resources necessary to do it. (probably upwards of 25-30k dollars) I wrote up

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread John
As I said I'm waiting for feedback first. What I sent to Coren is just a rough draft. It will be posted to a wiki and more input will be requested. On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Hello John, On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:39 PM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Israel received the Roaring Lion Award for the Hebrew Wikipedia 10th anniversary PR

2014-07-03 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
Felicidades!!! From: gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 01:35:15 +0200 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Israel received the Roaring Lion Award for the Hebrew Wikipedia 10th anniversary PR Hoi,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 07/03/2014 07:03 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: Is Reftools FOSS? No, it is not, Thanks Marc. It seems to me that the problem is very simple, in that case: how to come up with a free/libre tool, to be hosted on WMFlabs,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Israel received the Roaring Lion Award for the Hebrew Wikipedia 10th anniversary PR

2014-07-03 Thread Ivan Martínez
Congratulations! Muchas felicidades :) El jul 3, 2014 8:57 p.m., Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com escribió: That's awesome. Congrats to Hebrew Wikipedia ! Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikipedian in Residence at Cochrane Collaboration On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Itzik -

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread James Salsman
... the standard category of a programmer who doesn't work well with non-programmers and sucks at writing specs/documentation. That is an extremely rude way to characterize a volunteer who has single-handedly saved volunteer-centuries of time and then taken a principled, non-zero sum stand to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Samuel Klein
John: thank you again. James Salsman writes: suggestions that IA has any more legal risk than the Foundation Of course they do. The Wayback Machine alone is the largest publicly-accessible archive of copyrighted material in the world. The only other archives that come within magnitudes of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Michael Snow
On 7/3/2014 8:33 PM, James Salsman wrote: a volunteer who has single-handedly saved volunteer-centuries of time and then taken a principled, non-zero sum stand to offer agreement to the FOSS release requirement on Wikimedia Labs in return for the resources necessary to build new systems. If

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] Evacuation

2014-07-03 Thread Pine W
Nice work. Pine On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: David, thanks for posting that link here. Magnus, it looks like you've made (yet another) excellent tool, and described the problem it aims to alleviate in an eloquent and accessible way. Great to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors

2014-07-03 Thread Pine W
Sounds like a local issue for ES wiki. I'll ask Hahc21 to look at this. Pine On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Leigh Thelmadatter osama...@hotmail.com wrote: es.wiki creating user pages Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 00:20:26 +0200 From: nemow...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] red cross

2014-07-03 Thread Pine W
Definitely the ICRC sounds like a good partner organization. My first thought is that it would be good if they made their photography available on Commons. There might also be some opportunities for collaboration in Wikipedia Zero-like accessibility initiatives, and with the Wiki Med Foundation.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Monthly report of activities in Belgium: June

2014-07-03 Thread Pine W
Thank you Romaine. It's nice to hear of Wikimedia Belgium's progress. Those photos are making me hungry. Pine On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote: (Translations of this report are also available in Dutch

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comment on the content, not the contributor - with staff?

2014-07-03 Thread Pine W
In general, supervisors in any organization should be interested in the performance of their employees. If there is evidence that an employee is slacking, being unresponsive, or creating unnecessary friction, I would expect a supervisor to exercise good judgement in listening to the concern,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors

2014-07-03 Thread Harold Hidalgo
How can I help? 2014-07-04 0:20 GMT-04:30 Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com: Sounds like a local issue for ES wiki. I'll ask Hahc21 to look at this. Pine On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Leigh Thelmadatter osama...@hotmail.com wrote: es.wiki creating user pages Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014

Re: [Wikimedia-l] First _draft_ goals for WMF engineering/product

2014-07-03 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: I am worried by how short-term the current plans/goals are, though. I know that a lot of work that the engineering department does, particularly with regards software, which can only be planned on a quarterly basis to