Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am happy for you that you think the reader experience is so great in the devils advocate mode. In reality when I read a Wikipedia article because I want information all too often I hate what I get. The fact that it is the best around does not make me like the lack of clarity, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-22 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
one more general level solution would be having more steps: proposing a solution to the community (checking for support), inviting willing testers, after positive feedback introducing to all logged in users, and after positive feedback propagating on the site as a whole. Once the initial support

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-22 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:54 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: is the conflict not only triggered by a deliverable which was not good enough? it did not include the authors in its use cases. the deliverable e.g. did include one click more for the authors workflow. which make

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-22 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On 08/21/2014 07:17 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: It's very different futures -- a WMF that exists purely to do what communities ask it to, or a WMF that exists - in part - to look forward, close gaps, and help anticipate where we want to be 3, 5, 10 years from now. Irrespective of what my own take

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data

2014-08-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There is another benefit, when Wikidata is KNOWN to have good data as it is actively comparing its data with other sources, people will get more confidence in the quality of Wikidata. Thanks, Gerard On 21 August 2014 16:26, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: re the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-22 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 08/22/2014 01:54 AM, rupert THURNER wrote: is the conflict not only triggered by a deliverable which was not good enough? Part of the difficulty of that statement is that the very /definition/ of good enough will necessarily vary from individual to individual, with a non-zero segment of

[Wikimedia-l] Thanks to the Wikimedia Projects, including for the great idea of the so-called navigation blocks.

2014-08-22 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi all, as you may have seen on the English wikipedia and elsewhere, there are navigation blocks implemented templates like these: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:GNU * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:FOSS * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Star_Trek Now, recently, I've

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 August 2014 14:42, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: Part of the difficulty of that statement is that the very /definition/ of good enough will necessarily vary from individual to individual, with a non-zero segment of editors defining it as absolutely perfect and matching /my/

[Wikimedia-l] Access by Wikimedia volunteers to WMF records about them

2014-08-22 Thread
I wrote the email below to Lila and the WMF Legal department asking for access to records (and reports) they hold on me, but I'm sad to say that after 3 weeks waiting, I have yet to receive an acknowledgement. As a Wikimania London volunteer I had a moment to speak with Jan-Bart, and some of my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Access by Wikimedia volunteers to WMF records about them

2014-08-22 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Fae, in the Netherlands it is quite common for this kind of reqeusts to take several weeks (the government usually allows itself up to six weeks to even acknowledge receipt). Given the fact that the legal department was over their heads busy in the past weeks, I am not very surprised it is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Specifying office action in edit summary?

2014-08-22 Thread svetlana
Hi all, I'm sorry to repeat, but I would like to hear some thoughts on this question. Also added a clarification for one of the lines. On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, at 22:26, svetlana wrote: Hi all. I understand the Engineering folks used superprotect instead of /undoing/ the edit and adding

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Specifying office action in edit summary?

2014-08-22 Thread Risker
I think the problem is that your question does not really relate to the subject line, Svetlana. Office actions are specifically directed at content (e.g., removal of specific content for copyvio reasons or court orders). Office actions are almost never undertaken by Engineering staff; it's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-22 Thread WereSpielChequers
Proposing a solution to the community should not be the start of the process of involving the community. Developers are better qualified than non-developers to say whether a prom can be solved, and how it can be solved. But the most important steps in the process include deciding what could be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Access by Wikimedia volunteers to WMF records about them

2014-08-22 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi Fae/Everyone Just to be clear, although the text below is factually correct it implies that the two of us talked about your request at Wikimania, which we did not. We talked for a total of around 60 seconds, most of which was spent on me explaining that I was looking for someon in a hurry,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Access by Wikimedia volunteers to WMF records about them

2014-08-22 Thread
To avoid tangents, here is my email trimmed to the 2 key points with no background: Can someone recommend if there is a WMF policy on transparency that applies? Does the law in the USA give rights of access to records or reports the WMF may keep on volunteers? Fae

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Specifying office action in edit summary?

2014-08-22 Thread svetlana
Risker wrote: Office actions are almost never undertaken by Engineering staff; it's usually Legal Community Advocacy staff, or rarely another administrative staff member. How should an Engineering Staff member indicate that he'd like an edit undone and not done again? Through an Office