Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-10 Thread Gnangarra
I agree getting bogged down on one item of data isnt helpful but the data does need to show its disputed and the data item on Israel should at least have Tel Aviv listed as its mentonym within the database because the data base > is applying one truth where

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-10 Thread Jane Darnell
Amen to that! This discussion about Jerusalem reminds me of the discussion we had about the nationality of Anne Frank. For those interested, there have been some heated debates about whether Mobile should use the text in Wikidata "label descriptions" or rather some basic presentation of the P31

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The other side of being easily manipulated is that it is easy to rectify. The Signpost is FUD in so many ways and incorrect as well. Yes, you may have a concern about falsehoods. However, this is not going to be helped much by insisting that everything is to be sourced. It is also not the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-10 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Gnangarra wrote: > Criag is right this cant be fixed within the database because the data base > is applying one truth where there is no one truth for everyone. This will > always be the single biggest flaw of Wikidata no matter how data is >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-10 Thread Jane Darnell
Just as this discussion shifts, so does Wikidata quality. Both, hopefully, in a more constructive direction, which was Lydia's original point. On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Gnangarra wrote: > I agree getting bogged down on one item of data isnt helpful but the data >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The other side of the coin of being easily manipulated is that it is easy to rectify. The Signpost is FUD in so many ways and incorrect as well. Yes, you may have a concern about falsehoods. However, this is not going to be helped much by insisting that everything is to be sourced. It is also

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-10 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > The case for the CC-0 license is so in line with what the WMF stands for. > Our aim is to share in the sum of all knowledge and it is the most obvious > way to do it. When Wikidata is found to document

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikidata] Quality issues

2015-12-10 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Markus, On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Markus Krötzsch < mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org> wrote: What this page suggested was that that Freebase being shutdown means that > Google will use Wikidata as a source. Note that the short intro text on the > page did not say anything else about the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Product Department Office Hour with Wes Moran, Thursday, 10 December

2015-12-10 Thread Rachel diCerbo
That's a good idea, Sam, thank you :) This is a renewed initiative in holding more conversations between communities and product teams that have a slightly different focus than requesting specific feedback, so we didn't manage to post to multiple VPs (one notice did go to en.wp's yesterday) , but

[Wikimedia-l] Reading department planning for next quarter

2015-12-10 Thread Moushira Elamrawy
Hello Everyone, Hope you have nice vacation plans for the end of the year. I am writing to share a different kind of plan, though :) -- In the last 3 months the reading team has worked on a process for open strategy planning [0], in order to define priorities, and align tests and products that

[Wikimedia-l] New Wikipedia Library Access (signup)

2015-12-10 Thread Jake Orlowitz
Hi! The Wikipedia Library has new, free research donations available: * Gale (multidisciplinary periodicals, newspapers, and reference sources) * Brill (academic e-books and journals in English, Dutch, and other languages) * Finnish

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] This Month in GLAM: November 2015

2015-12-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Bassel, a fellow Wikipedian has been sentenced to death. That was the news in one of the press releases of Amnesty International. Many Wikipedians are confused about what they can do to make a difference. Arguably the biggest difference we make is in what we do. We write in an encyclopaedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are we so boring?

2015-12-10 Thread Pierre-Selim
Well speaking only for myself, I love tacking things seriously and I'm probably a boring guy. However I seems to have a lot of very fun memories of all the wikimedia related time I spent. Selective memory, or somehow dullness might be fun too :) 2015-12-10 16:17 GMT+01:00 Milos Rancic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, What other people say is there choice. The law is simple. Facts cannot be copyrighted and consequently the preference / the opinion of Denny is simply that. Typically statistics organisations are more than happy to share their data. They do so in the Netherlands and it is only for a lack of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are we so boring?

2015-12-10 Thread Milos Rancic
First of all, it's obvious that the part of our movement already suffers from the "old grey man" illusion, although the most of us are not old nor grey. That's typical modernist paradigm, which brought many achievements to our civilization, but also removed decision-making power from the majority