Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
Hi Craig, Amir, and Nat, On 2016-02-19 00:13, Craig Franklin wrote: Yaroslav, You're correct in that most volunteers don't care directly. The problem is that a lot of the BoT's recent difficulties have crossed the line from "angry encyclopedia people venting on a mailing list" to "serious

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook marketing inside pt.wikipedia

2016-02-19 Thread Nikola Kalchev
Hello Rodrigo, on Bulgarian Wikipedia we put a text asking readers to like our Facebook page, our Twitter and Google+ accounts, as well to visit our blog [1]. The Facebook likes went up from 1923 to 5381 in a month, 126 people followed us on Twitter (virtually nobody did it before that), 123

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What is the Board's HR Committee doing to stem the tide of staff resignations?

2016-02-19 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 9:38 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak >> We have started with an engagement survey, and organizational facilitator >> analysis. More and more current input can be provided by Patricio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook marketing inside pt.wikipedia

2016-02-19 Thread Mardetanha
facebook has been on site-notice on azwiki https://az.wikipedia.org for about year I think Mardetanha On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Joseph Seddon wrote: > Hey Rodrigo, > > I don't know of any example where Site Notice has been used in the past to > point people to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Yury Bulka
Shani writes: > Yury, this is a very important example, but indeed off-topic. It deserves a > separate thread, but not before addressing the current main crisis, which > all others stem from. I agree. This was just a random example of a "side-effect" of the crisis. Best,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook marketing inside pt.wikipedia

2016-02-19 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
Nikola - but does it bring any added value to Wikipedia? Does number of active editors in Bulgarian Wikipedia increased because of it? Can you see it in Wikipedia statics? IMHO it is the only thing which might legitimate such an action. Ten e-mail został wysłany z komputera wolnego od

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
בתאריך 19 בפבר׳ 2016 09:31,‏ "Ben Creasy" כתב: > > OK, in terms of problems, staff are saying that it's Lila. Do you want them to > be more specific in a public mailing list about how and where she has > disappointed them? That seems like an awkward situation for Lila. ...

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Thank you so much for chiming in, Gayle. This means a lot. בתאריך 19 בפבר׳ 2016 10:17,‏ "Gayle Karen Young" כתב: > People will leave despite how much they love a place, its mission, and its > volunteers at the point it becomes too painful for them to stay. And no one > can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook marketing inside pt.wikipedia

2016-02-19 Thread Asaf Bartov
The Macedonian community has also had success attracting attention to their social media channels via Facebook etc. links on sitenotice for a while. I believe they reached a staggering number of likes (~35000 was it?), from next to nothing. Those social media channels seem to have been used to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook marketing inside pt.wikipedia

2016-02-19 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
Indonesian Wikipedia has used site notice to link to their Facebook group, Twitter, and Instagram for years. Their facebook page has 97,236 likes. https://www.facebook.com/id.wiki posts often get 100 likes compare with Wikimedia Commons page, with 2,793 likes, and posts usually attract < 10

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook marketing inside pt.wikipedia

2016-02-19 Thread Craig Franklin
While I appreciate these concerns, I think that the most suitable people to determine whether this is appropriate for the Portuguese Wikipedia are the users of the Portuguese Wikipedia. Perhaps with a veto by the WMF Legal Team if there's some terms of service related reason this can't happen.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook marketing inside pt.wikipedia

2016-02-19 Thread 梁忠明
I also noticed the practice in idwiki to promote Facebook page of the Wikipedia in question through site notice. During this year’s discussion of Chinese Wikipedia’s annual strategy, One of our proposed aims is to promote outreach through the Net. I once had a plan to promote our Facebook pages

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook marketing inside pt.wikipedia

2016-02-19 Thread Joseph Seddon
I stand corrected on all fronts and now know a few examples :D Personally I'd say base it off of the azerbaijani sitenotice, and if you have multiple social media presences include them like the indonesian sitenotice's to remain platform agnostic but avoid the larger kick in the page. Seddon On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook marketing inside pt.wikipedia

2016-02-19 Thread Joseph Seddon
Certainly agree with you Craig. I just generally wasn't aware of those examples which do set a precedent. I will add documenting all of the different community community uses of SiteNotice to my list of things to do. :) Seddon On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Craig Franklin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook marketing inside pt.wikipedia

2016-02-19 Thread Rodrigo Padula
During the WLE an WLM 2015 we created and published some paid campaigns inside Facebook to reach more people and bring people from Facebook to our contest's pages inside Wikipedia. IMHO that it's a good approach, but add a direct link inside wikipedia to commercial sites/social networks are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call for Candidates - Affiliate Selected members of the WMF Board

2016-02-19 Thread Lane Rasberry
Risker, SJ, Pete, and others - Help! This election is what people make of it. It might be the case that many people concerned about Wikimedia governance do not even realize what is at stake in this election. There has recently been a lot of discussion about the board of trustees. In this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook marketing inside pt.wikipedia

2016-02-19 Thread Nikola Kalchev
Hello Tomasz and everyone else according to https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaBG.htm the number of active editors has raised by 19% in January, but it might as well be because there were Christmas holidays in December. I do not believe we have enough data to make a good quantitative

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook marketing inside pt.wikipedia

2016-02-19 Thread Chico Venancio
Rodrigo, I really don't mean to be negative, but the appropriate forum to discuss the merits of the decision is in the topic open in wikipt about it. About the form, using sitenotice for external social media reach, I can see a reasoning to debate this here, but discussing if it is/will be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Anna Stillwell
Ori, Your email was spot on. And it is so refreshing to hear someone speak the truth about who we are as staff. In my time running Org Dev, I saw incredible talent here at the Foundation, across departments, including members of the C-team. And as the situation has become progressively more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook marketing inside pt.wikipedia

2016-02-19 Thread Rodrigo Padula
Hello Chico, The mail goal of that discussion is to see similar cases around the globe and evaluate the potential impact on the Wikimedia projects. That info is very important for future proposals and initiatives like that one proposed on pt.wiki. After so many discussion and comments

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Delphine Ménard
I believe that Dariusz' comment was somewhat blown out of proportions (due in part to difficulties in communication inherent to our multicultural movement). I also think that some of the statements he made were too "blanket" to let go, so I understand the frustration. This said, Ori, I want to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
Hi Delphine, many thanks for your insight, and I definitely understand why you're pointing out the problematic areas, as well as I share some of your specific concerns. I'm going to fall silent on the list for a while, as I really don't want to sound as the "nothing to watch, move on" guy, and I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Anna Stillwell
For our multicultural context... that's a compliment of high order. On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Anna Stillwell wrote: > Delphine, you're a bad ass. > /a > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak < > djemieln...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> Hi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Anna Stillwell
Delphine, you're a bad ass. /a On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak < djemieln...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hi Delphine, > > many thanks for your insight, and I definitely understand why you're > pointing out the problematic areas, as well as I share some of your > specific

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Dan Andreescu
> > People will leave despite how much they love a place, its mission, and its > volunteers at the point it becomes too painful for them to stay. And no one > can make that decision for them. While the support of one's colleagues goes > a very long way, it is necessary but not sufficient. I have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Gayle Karen Young
I know, Dan, and your commitment and willingness to look at what is amazing and holding WMF together, your personal decision to seek ways out of a victim mentality and looking forward, is also absolutely critical right now. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-19 Thread Ellie Young
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > Thanks, it is a step in the right direction indeed. Although a bit more > breakdown would be helpful, I am working on that > I'm guessing this also highly fluctuates year > by year. > Some observations: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-19 Thread Ellie Young
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: > Chris & Ellie: I don't think I would include 'WMF Travel/Accomodation' or > general Wikimedia PR in the Wikimania overhead. > It usually isn't but this was prepared in response to people in earlier threads wanting to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Michal Lester
Thank you Delphine for a fascinating analysis of of the recent history and current state of the situation. *Michal Lester,* *Executive DirectorWikimedia Israel* *http://www.wikimedia.org.il * *972-50-8996046 ; 972-77-751-6032 *

[Wikimedia-l] English Wikipedia India / Project WIN planning

2016-02-19 Thread Tito Dutta
​Hi WikiFriends, *We need your suggestions and feedback. * We are planning a few initiatives for WikiProject India (English Wikipedia). For a long time we have been feeling: - *On one hand:* WikiProject India is one of the largest projects in Wikimedia - *On the other hand: *We

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What is the Board's HR Committee doing to stem the tide of staff resignations?

2016-02-19 Thread Sam Klein
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 10:35 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > > My respect for the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation has only > grown seeing the restraint and maturity with which you all have acted. > This. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-19 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Ellie, with donations, i was referring to the item on the linked financial report. Does it indeed include sponsorships? Lodewijk On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Ellie Young wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Lodewijk > wrote: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Again, we have not "proven" in any way that it has to be cheap. When cheap comes at the prize of losing what is precious. When we choose to ignore the cost of WMF travel of personnel, we effectively cook the books because the need for WMF inclusion is high. It is one of the aspects that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-19 Thread Lodewijk
An experiment I'd be more than willing to think about, is to have a 'real wikimania' every two years, and a more 'light edition' the other year (with less aimed attendance, less WMF participation, maybe less subsidised, a cheaper location, more like a wikicamp). But, to look at that in a proper

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-19 Thread Ellie Young
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > Hi Ellie, > > with donations, i was referring to the item on the linked financial report. > Does it indeed include sponsorships? > I've corrected-- it should just be sponsorships. Ellie > > Lodewijk > > On Fri,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-19 Thread Pharos
I'd like to second Lodewijk's suggestion of something more like Wikicamp, though I don't think that necessarily means it has be much smaller. I wonder how the economics of something like the Wikimedia Armenia experience would expand to a larger, more international participation. Personally, it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-19 Thread Richard Farmbrough
It's all very well to assume that certain demographics are wealthy. But it is simply a stereotype. Wikipedians I know personally from the "privileged" demographics vary from those who are well off through to those who are saddled with substantial debt and zero income. But really the question

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Siko Bouterse
Ido, Ori, Sydney, Shani, Ben, Delphine, Gayle, thank you for your boldness and wisdom in this thread. I know how rarely some of us speak on this list, and I appreciate you raising your voices here, now. I need to believe that the power of the collective leadership that so many volunteers and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What is the Board's HR Committee doing to stem the tide of staff resignations?

2016-02-19 Thread Florence Devouard
Le 18/02/16 21:38, Brion Vibber a écrit : On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: What is the board doing, going forward, to stem the tide of staff resignations? We

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Sam Klein
Dear Siko, I was trying to phrase something like this, but you beat me to it. This discussion gives me hope. Siko writes: > Ido, Ori, Sydney, Shani, Ben, Delphine, Gayle, thank you for your boldness > and wisdom in this thread. I know how rarely some of us speak on this list, > and I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call for Candidates - Affiliate Selected members of the WMF Board

2016-02-19 Thread Laurentius
Il giorno ven, 19/02/2016 alle 10.18 -0500, Lane Rasberry ha scritto: >1. So far as I know no one has contacted chapters directly. I would > like >for every chapter to take responsibility for contacting a few > others and >confirming that they are engaged in the election. It would be >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Improving transparency and communication

2016-02-19 Thread Adele Vrana
Hi Lodewijk and all, As a result of our All-Hands event in early January this year, an informal group of staff members (namely: Siko Bouterse, Guillaume Paumier, Edward Galvez, Caitlin Cogdill, Jessica Robell and myself) decided to come together and start a series of conversations about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Improving transparency and communication

2016-02-19 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Adele Vrana wrote: > As you noted in your email, recent events make a conversation about > transparency crucial right now, and that’s why we would like to invite > anyone to share stories, ideas and best practices on this Meta page. >

[Wikimedia-l] Particular interests and common ground (was: An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT)

2016-02-19 Thread Milos Rancic
I woke up this morning, read emails and felt quite frustrated. I wanted to write something on Delphine's line, but that Ark B distracted me enough to make myself content with one more satirical allegory. So, thank you very much, Delphine, for writing this and opening much more important

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Ad Huikeshoven
Dear friends, Dear friends of open and free knowledge, Let us raise the bar, To the level of positive and constructive, Don't bite the newcomers, Assume good faith. Keep a good balance, Between work and life, Don't do overtime without prior authorization, Enjoy your weekend. Meet friends and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Delphine Ménard
Here you go SJ, On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Sam Klein wrote: > Delphine writes: >> >> We freaking built an encyclopedia, of course we can take care of it > without >> having to fear everyone and their brother! And while an organisation is > not >> a wiki, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 2016-02-19 23:24, Delphine Ménard wrote: Here you go SJ, On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Sam Klein wrote: Delphine writes: We freaking built an encyclopedia, of course we can take care of it without having to fear everyone and their brother! And while an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Thyge
This marvellous thread goes a long way to prove that we are in possession of a very able, considerate, and polite WMF-oriented community in addition to the "silent" community that goes on editing our sites. But it also makes me wonder whether the BoT as a body maintains its silence about the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Denny Vrandecic
Delphine, thank you. Whereas I do not agree with everything you say (but I think those are discussions for another time), I wholeheartedly agree with your insight that the Board as a whole is dumber than its member on average. Thank you for putting this down to words. I would even say, dumber

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Thyge
Thanks, Denny Vrandecic (and to Dariusz Jemielniak as well) for expressing some individual views as members of the BoT. Denny: A firm choice between the two communication strategies needs not be made. Both could be proper solutions depending on the situation. But don't you honestly think, that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Ido, Thank you for your e-mail. I am also grateful to many other people who have contributed to give us a better understanding of the past and the present (it is a lot of work). I would like to read your opinion about two things that I find astonishing and urging for a remedy: * How it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 12, Issue 07 -- 17 February 2016

2016-02-19 Thread Trillium Corsage
Hang tough, Lila Tretikov. This will all pass. These people leaving blaming you, bah! You are cleaning the WMF cupboard, and that's overdue. Don't let anybody or anything psyche you out. Trillium Corsage 19.02.2016, 21:31, "Wikipedia Signpost" : > Special report: Search and destroy: the

[Wikimedia-l] Technical issues of Wikimedia [was: Particular interests and common ground]

2016-02-19 Thread Amir Ladsgroup
Hey Milos, You talked about things that I'm in no place to comment but I want to emphasize on this part of your email: "For the last 8 years, just two things have been working without problems in WMF: Money and tech infrastructure (servers, "plain" MediaWiki, optimizations etc.)." We hear about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Technical issues of Wikimedia [was: Particular interests and common ground]

2016-02-19 Thread Szymon Grabarczuk
+1 for "saying 'technical parts of Wikipedia sucks' is as the same as 'Wikipedia sucks' ". +1 for "the biggest problem is the user interface design of Wikipedia" and your Winter-related thoughts (I may be also wrong). Thanks for all the message. On 20 February 2016 at 03:02, Amir Ladsgroup