Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement representation vs WMF board reform

2016-02-29 Thread Brion Vibber
On Sunday, February 28, 2016, Pharos wrote: > Hi fellow Wikimedians, > > If we are seriously going to consider an expanded Community Council as an > alternative to WMF BoT reform, we need to have a real discussion about what > "devolution" would mean, and what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Jimmy Wales' potential conflict of loyalties for Wikia Inc. versus WMF

2016-02-29 Thread
After an offlist correspondence with Gergő, we agree it is quite hard to get to grips with the beginnings of Wikia unless you lived through it and casual interviews may be confusing.[1] This remains a tangent to the issue of whether ownership of Wikia is seen in the public eye as a conflict of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Pete, According to his Signpost piece three weeks ago[1], James Heilman emailed the board in mid-October about the Knight Foundation grant to warn the board, and I quote – *"4) There is a serious lack of transparency around this new "sister project". This has not been discussed with our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-29 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi, in my opinion there is no need to differentiate and to clarify what "high-tech" means. The real problem is to define the KPIs (key performance indicators) and a balanced relation of those indicators. A corporation can be a high-tech corporation and take care of the comfort of all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/29/16 2:42 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Pete, > Can you help me figure out how Jimmy and the board could have "assumed" > that there was community discussion and consultation about the Knowledge > Engine project when James Heilman > > 1. had started a board discussion in mid-October

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Molly White
Jimmy, Thank you for your reply, and I apologize for how late this one is. When I asked how you intend to speak with the Board of Trustees and with staff, I did not mean what technical means you will use. It doesn't much matter to me whether you speak with them in person, over email, over

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
(People keep mentioning a post limit, and I'm sure I'm going to hit it. I'll see if someone can give me a temporary exception, but I also wanted to warn that I'm in back to back meetings for the next 3 days and intend to deliberately go quiet because of that. In the evenings, I plan to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Structuring revolution

2016-02-29 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 2016-02-29 16:41, Milos Rancic wrote: I created the set of pages, starting with [1]. That's the place for structuring our ideas, thoughts etc. I decomposed the thread "What it means to be a high-tech organization" and I needed for the whole task ~5 hours. On the talk page [2] you can find

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Here is what I don't understand: both Dariusz and James have said that they > pushed hard for transparency and community engagement about the project at > that time, and expressed concern that there hadn't been any. Do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Jimmy Wales > wrote: > >> On 2/29/16 7:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: >> > A few days ago, Oliver Keyes said[1] here on this list that, even though >> he >> > had

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 2/29/16 2:25 AM, Molly White wrote: >> Thank you for your reply, and I apologize for how late this one is. When >> I asked how you intend to speak with the Board of Trustees and with staff, I >> did not mean what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Andreas Kolbe > wrote: > > > Here is what I don't understand: both Dariusz and James have said that > they > > pushed hard for transparency and community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediauk-l] Free as in beer

2016-02-29 Thread WereSpielChequers
Well they definitely aren't adding either NC or ND, but they might be implying SA with all that sharing is caring stuff. You could ask before migrating to wiki source, my guess is they are choosing CC-BY-SA Regards Jonathan / WereSpielChequers > On 29 Feb 2016, at 15:19, Richard Symonds

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > So my concern is not that you lost touch with staff. I don't > particularly care about any one person. My concern is that the *board* > did. My concern is that when staff reached out the Board replied with > a letter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > And there are things in the FAQs even today, like the plans for "public > curation or relevance",[1][2] that are of material interest to volunteers, > because they are the ones envisaged to be doing that work. > That

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Nathan
Jimmy - the limit is a "soft limit" of 30 posts per month. If someone goes well over you might get an e-mail from Austin or another moderator to cut back, but otherwise there is no need to ask for an exception. Chris Sherlock - It is certainly not "unambiguous" what qualifies in that statute as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > We went back and forth in pleasant emails discussing the situation and > as a part of that I said: "I am always in favor of more community > consultation." I went on to discuss a bit that I didn't think we were > at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2016 Strategic Approaches Report

2016-02-29 Thread Maggie Dennis
Hello, Legoktm. :) I've copied your questions to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_Strategy/Community_consultation and will make sure those are seen. I don't know if our consultant has an account on Wikimedia-L, and it'll probably be helpful to keep questions in that one central place.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

2016-02-29 Thread Denny Vrandecic
I agree as well. On Feb 29, 2016 06:00, "Jimmy Wales" wrote: > On 2/29/16 5:52 AM, Nathan wrote: > > There is a simple and easy way to rectify this: you and the other members > > of the board can honestly and fully describe the circumstances that led > you > > to eject

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Chris Sherlock
> On 1 Mar 2016, at 3:09 AM, Nathan wrote: > > Jimmy - the limit is a "soft limit" of 30 posts per month. If someone goes > well over you might get an e-mail from Austin or another moderator to cut > back, but otherwise there is no need to ask for an exception. > > Chris

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Jimmy Wales' potential conflict of loyalties for Wikia Inc. versus WMF

2016-02-29 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:35 AM, Fæ wrote: > > Ownership of Wikia is a relationship where loyalty will be perceived > by the public as questionable, and there may be indirect financial > gains, even though there is no traceable direct benefit. > > Fae, Is there any evidence

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

2016-02-29 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Nathan, as pretty much always, is correct. Everybody is tired of this mystery. I'm not blaming anybody - it's part of the unfortunate atmosphere of unnecessary secrecy, which plagued us for way too long. That's what creates the accusations and the wild rumors in all sides. We all have to fix it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Chris Sherlock
On 1 Mar 2016, at 12:36 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > In mid-October, before he emailed the board, James wrote me with a huge > misconception - that we had a secret project to build a Google competing > search engine. Of course we didn't have such a project We had a few >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > Intimidation about speaking up is a terrible and perverse thing to > happen in any organization. If that's a feeling that the organization > has had, I want to put forward the idea that it's over. If I were >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Chris Sherlock
On 1 Mar 2016, at 2:00 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > > On 2/29/16 6:46 AM, Chris Sherlock wrote: >> Unfortunately though, the WMF very much did have internal documents >> that were positioning the WMF into building a search engine. In fact, >> it was a grand idea. But one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
I agree with Dariusz on this, and have 2 additional thoughts: 1. I'm not sure that Silicon Valley organizations as a whole are more secretive than many NGOs. Some are famously super secretive - Apple. Others are not really - Automattic (Wordpress). Some NGOs tend to be very controlling of

[Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-29 Thread Brion Vibber
On Feb 29, 2016 3:13 AM, "Ilario Valdelli" > wrote: > > Hi, > in my opinion there is no need to differentiate and to clarify what > "high-tech" means. > > The real problem is to define the KPIs (key performance indicators) and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

2016-02-29 Thread Newyorkbrad
Although there may be aspects of the Doc James situation that legitimately must, or at least should, stay private, I am sure more can be revealed than has been to date. Let me see if I can help with one aspect of the issue. One stated reason that information has not been forthcoming, has been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread pajz
On 29 February 2016 at 06:18, SarahSV wrote: > Everything Doc James has said so far appears to have been correct, based on > the information we have. > Ha, like those "Oh, I have done nothing wrong and no have no idea why I was removed" messages we heard for two weeks

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

2016-02-29 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > > One of the things that someone asked me privately to discuss is what I > think of the possibility of James running for the board again. > > First, I have no opinion about whether or not he will be eligible at the >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
This touches on matters beyond my scope of expertise. I didn't write that FAQ, and I am not an expert on legal terminology like "mismanagement" or "misconduct". I support that the board and legal team review the matter seriously and generously. All I'm saying is that if he is eligible, and if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/29/16 7:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > A few days ago, Oliver Keyes said[1] here on this list that, even though he > had already quit his job, he was scared to share with people the content of > the non-disclosure agreement he had to sign as a WMF staff member. > > Do you believe the various

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/29/16 2:25 AM, Molly White wrote: > Thank you for your reply, and I apologize for how late this one is. When > I asked how you intend to speak with the Board of Trustees and with staff, I > did not mean what technical means you will use. It doesn't much matter to me > whether you speak with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a *volunteer* organization

2016-02-29 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
James, I think it is very nice to put measures against paid editing, but it would be nicer to put measures to get editors more free time to edit voluntarily... There are not that many suggestions on how to do it, so it could be that it cannot be done. Cheers, Micru On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:14

[Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
One of the things that someone asked me privately to discuss is what I think of the possibility of James running for the board again. First, I have no opinion about whether or not he will be eligible at the next election. That's a matter for people other than me to decide. I don't know.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/29/16 5:52 AM, Nathan wrote: > There is a simple and easy way to rectify this: you and the other members > of the board can honestly and fully describe the circumstances that led you > to eject Heilman from the board. I've seen lots of indirect and > non-specific claims from both sides; I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/29/16 6:46 AM, Chris Sherlock wrote: > Unfortunately though, the WMF very much did have internal documents > that were positioning the WMF into building a search engine. In fact, > it was a grand idea. But one that was done in secret. James was not > wrong, and he wasn’t lying. You may not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-29 Thread Ilario Valdelli
The KPIS is not only quantitave measures. For instance an anonymous survey may measure the level of satisfaction of people and it's more qualitative. The simplicity of KPIS is to agree (all parties) about the indicators and to cut off discussions about success/insuccess. Something can be a

[Wikimedia-l] Meeting in Berlin (was: Executive transition planning)

2016-02-29 Thread Tim Moritz Hector
Dear fellow Wikimedians, I have been closely following the developments of the previous weeks. A lot of things have been said, concerns and frustration have been raised, hope has been voiced, and many many questions have been brought up. It’s hard to keep up with all the voices on all the

[Wikimedia-l] Free as in beer

2016-02-29 Thread Richard Symonds
So... BrewDog, a Scotland-based "hipster brewery" - for want of a better phrase - have just "open-sourced" their entire recipe collection. You can read more at https://www.brewdog.com/lowdown/blog/diy-dog. It's not entirely clear what "licence" they're using but they say: *"copy them, tear

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

2016-02-29 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Jimmy, Thank you for the note. I was wondering about the eligibility of James, because the page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/James_Heilman_removal_FAQ#Can_James_be_a_candidate_for_a_community-selected_seat_again.3F says: "Due to the removal from the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

2016-02-29 Thread Chris Sherlock
This is actually a fairly easy one to clear up. Basically, it’s the law. Under Fl. St. § 617.0808, which deals with the removal of directors, it clearly states that "Any director who is removed from the board is not eligible to stand for reelection until the next annual meeting at which

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Do you believe the various non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement > clauses that staff have to sign to work at the WMF should be public? Will > you encourage staff to share their content, in the interests of >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 2/29/16 7:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > A few days ago, Oliver Keyes said[1] here on this list that, even though > he > > had already quit his job, he was scared to share with people the content > of > > the

[Wikimedia-l] Structuring revolution

2016-02-29 Thread Milos Rancic
I created the set of pages, starting with [1]. That's the place for structuring our ideas, thoughts etc. I decomposed the thread "What it means to be a high-tech organization" and I needed for the whole task ~5 hours. On the talk page [2] you can find the manual how to help. [1]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Free as in beer

2016-02-29 Thread isacdaavid
Le lun. 29 févr. 2016 à 9:19, Richard Symonds a écrit : I guess "free as in beer" has a slightly different meaning now! This is not the first time libre beer is made: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Beer ___

[Wikimedia-l] Help a Wikipedia & Commons volunteer raise funds for a new computer.

2016-02-29 Thread Natalia Szafran-Kozakowska
Hi all You probably know Jacek Halicki[1]. And even if you don't - you probably have seen his pictures. Jacek has contributed about 9000 photographs to Wikimedia Commons (many of them are Quality, Featured or Good Images). It was not easy for him - Jacek has a severe mobility impairment and is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliate-selected Board seats] Christophe Henner candidacy

2016-02-29 Thread Chris Keating
Hello all, Also, if there are questions you would like to see all candidates answering, please could you put them on this page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Questions Thanks, Chris (Election facilitator) On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Christophe Henner

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Help a Wikipedia & Commons volunteer raise funds for a new computer.

2016-02-29 Thread Mardetanha
He deserves all help that we give to him, thanks for sharing this Mardetanha On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Natalia Szafran-Kozakowska < natalia.szaf...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all > > You probably know Jacek Halicki[1]. And even if you don't - you probably > have seen his pictures. Jacek has

[Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread James Heilman
I have been sent a possible correction. When I had stated a "formal vote" had taken place some are of the position that this was simple a straw poll. Not sure if Geoff Brigham can clarify. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine

[Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread James Heilman
Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when staff reached out the Board replied with a letter indicating they had full and unanimous confidence in our leadership." This statement is not really true. We had a formal vote regarding the ED in November and it was not unanimous. The vote

[Wikimedia-l] [Affiliate-selected Board seats] Christophe Henner candidacy

2016-02-29 Thread Christophe Henner
Hi everyone, A week ago I published my candidacy to the Affiliates-Selected Board Seats process : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Nominations/Christophe_Henner I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have, including (but not only) funny ones, on the talk

[Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
I'm switching to this email address for posting, because apparently there is some kind of weird problem between yahoo and google such that gmail users see all or most of my messages in their SPAM folder. If you've asked me something and think that I didn't respond, I recommend looking there.

[Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

2016-02-29 Thread James Heilman
@ Newyorkbrad I agree that nothing needs to be kept secret for my sake. I am have always been fully supportive of discussing the issue of board conduct and my removal. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Joseph Seddon
Similarly the following remark was made by Patricio at the all staff meeting in November: *"I want all of you know that the Board unanimously agreed to support our current leadership."* I would ask for the sake of the staff and community that a speedy and clear explanation of whatever vote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] A workshop on harassment

2016-02-29 Thread Patrick Earley
Lodewijk, thanks for the feedback! I'll reply on Meta ... On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > 'workshop' shouts to me that it is a real life, real time event that people > can register for, and attend (in person or remotely). The page

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine’s Board

2016-02-29 Thread attolippip
Dear all, I want formally introduce to you Wikimedia Ukraine’s Board, elected by our General Assembly on December 27, 2015. We can do it only now, as we have just recently successfully completed the requirements from our state to change the people responsible for the chapter officially [1].

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chris Keating wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, James Heilman wrote: >> > Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

2016-02-29 Thread George Herbert
Just to confirm, all Jimmy's email in these threads were in my Gmail spam folder when I looked. If you're using Gmail, go look at the spam folder and bring his messages back in... George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:37 AM, Jimmy Wales

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Chris Keating
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, James Heilman wrote: > > Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when staff reached out > > the Board replied with a letter indicating they had full and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Pierre-Selim
2016-02-29 20:58 GMT+01:00 James Heilman : > Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when staff reached out > the Board replied with a letter indicating they had full and unanimous > confidence in our > leadership." > > This statement is not really true. We had a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] A workshop on harassment

2016-02-29 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Patrick, 'workshop' shouts to me that it is a real life, real time event that people can register for, and attend (in person or remotely). The page seems to suggest however (at a quick glance) that it is rather an online discussion forum. Maybe good to clarify that immediately at the top of

[Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread James Heilman
No, I am not making a general statement about what should go in the minutes. But in this case, the chair of the board (and others, I believe) have misrepresented things. I mentioned the vote (irrespective of whether I can prove it) as a piece of evidence that exists to prove the decision was not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, James Heilman wrote: > Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when staff reached out > the Board replied with a letter indicating they had full and unanimous > confidence in our > leadership." > > This statement is not really true. We

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement representation vs WMF board reform

2016-02-29 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Brion, thank you for starting this thread and for your caveats. Among the challenges when creating new movement entities, or organs, I think there are at least two which we have experienced in the past: a) A certain part of the Wikipedians has a very individualistic mind and may not want to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

2016-02-29 Thread SarahSV
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:10 PM, George Herbert wrote: > > Just to confirm, all Jimmy's email in these threads were in my Gmail spam > folder when I looked. > > If you're using Gmail, go look at the spam folder and bring his messages > back in... > > That is why I asked

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wmfall] Inspire Campaign on content curation & review launches today!

2016-02-29 Thread Aaron Halfaker
I just finished submitting two ideas that I'd like to advise. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Automated_good-faith_newcomer_detection Build and deploy a machine learning model for flagging newcomers who are editing in good-faith. This has the potential to mitigate some of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Chris Keating wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > **To that end, the Board remains unanimously committed in > > our support of Lila in her role** and in her efforts to adapt her > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Kevin Smith
I think some people aren't realizing the difference between the leaked presentation (which outlined a general search engine) and the actual grant. The former was just an idea, while the latter is official. By my reading, the grant clearly is NOT for a general internet search engine, although it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WMCEE-l] Wikimedia Ukraine’s Board

2016-02-29 Thread Asaf Bartov
Welcome, new board members, and thank you for your service, departing members. And thank you, Nataliia, for taking the time to introduce them to folks who haven't had the opportunity to get to know them in person. A. On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:09 PM, attolippip wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread SarahSV
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > > James had gotten, from somewhere, the idea that there really was a > secret project to build a Google-competing search engine. We had a > discussion where I told him that wasn't right. We had further >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

2016-02-29 Thread K. Peachey
If you are using gmail, Set a rule that *@lists.wikimedia.org never go to the spam folder. (If you are using rule to label them, it can be done at the same time.) On 1 March 2016 at 09:48, SarahSV wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:10 PM, George Herbert

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Risker
On 29 February 2016 at 19:10, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > No. You are either transparent and honest, or you are not. > > Andreas > ___ > Or you could be opaque but honest. "Honest" and "transparent" are not synonyms. There are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WMCEE-l] Wikimedia Ukraine’s Board

2016-02-29 Thread Tito Dutta
Welcome all, and all the best. :) On 1 March 2016 at 04:54, Asaf Bartov wrote: > Welcome, new board members, and thank you for your service, departing > members. > > And thank you, Nataliia, for taking the time to introduce them to folks who > haven't had the opportunity

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WMCEE-l] Wikimedia Ukraine’s Board

2016-02-29 Thread Winifred Olliff
Congratulations on a successful General Assembly, welcome to the new board members, and thanks to the existing members for your continued service. I'm looking forward to working with you all! Thanks also to the departing members for your years of service. Nataliia, I also appreciated this helpful

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Risker wrote: > > So please, let's stop pretending those two words mean the same thing. > They don't mean the same thing at all. But would you really dispute the statement that WMF leaders should be both transparent AND honest?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a *volunteer* organization

2016-02-29 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi Leigh In general there is always a transparent hierarchy and an untasparent one self organized following the real leaderships. Problems happen when the gap between both increases. In this case the real decisions are made in front of a coffee machine and not in the right places. The solution

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread David Emrany
Dear Erik, Wikimovement veterans recall your invaluable assistance in arranging the 3 million grant from the Sloan Foundation to WMF, so reading your email, we also recall these quotes from the time of the Stanton Foundation fiasco ? [1] "The Executive Director and Chief Revenue Officer agree

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a *volunteer* organization

2016-02-29 Thread David Emrany
Hi David, It would be even nicer if we have more editors editing voluntarily instead of driving them away. In the present scenario a University of Minnesota report by Aaron Halfaker says "The declining number of editors is not due to the site's inability to keep longtime editors contributing.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

2016-02-29 Thread Austin Hair
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 4:48 AM, Michael Snow wrote: > On 2/29/2016 5:37 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: >> >> I'm switching to this email address for posting, because apparently >> there is some kind of weird problem between yahoo and google such that >> gmail users see all or most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Free as in beer

2016-02-29 Thread David Emrany
Dear Richard Free as in beer ..or paid as in PR !!! This is exactly the sort of PR paid editing for which Wikimedia-UK (and the UK centric paid editing cabals) are notorious for.[1],[2],[3] Do you seriously expect the community to believe that promoting a web-page which starts off with an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediauk-l] Free as in beer

2016-02-29 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Richard Symonds wrote: > So... > > BrewDog, a Scotland-based "hipster brewery" - for want of a better phrase - > have just "open-sourced" their entire recipe collection. > > You can read more at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WMCEE-l] Wikimedia Ukraine’s Board

2016-02-29 Thread Nabin Sapkota
Congrats and welcome all the board members. And obviously wish a very good luck for the coming days.. Regards, Nabin On Mar 1, 2016 6:44 AM, "Tito Dutta" wrote: > Welcome all, and all the best. :) > > On 1 March 2016 at 04:54, Asaf Bartov wrote: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Anthony Cole
If a board member mentions staff fear, you might ask if item 2 of the code of conduct [1] couldn't be rewritten so it's not a soviet-style catch-all that outlaws discussion about anything that happens within the WMF. Staff, if a board member mentions staff fear, you might ask if item 2 of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Anne, On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Risker wrote: > > They don't mean the same thing at all. But would you really dispute the > > statement that WMF leaders should be both transparent AND honest? > > > > Transparency is a fundamental WMF value. > > > > Nobody here is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

2016-02-29 Thread Michael Snow
On 2/29/2016 5:37 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: I'm switching to this email address for posting, because apparently there is some kind of weird problem between yahoo and google such that gmail users see all or most of my messages in their SPAM folder. It's not just Google either. My provider uses

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Craig Franklin
My understanding is that the Foundation purchases certain technical and apps services (cloud email, for instance) from Google. Cheers, Craig On 1 March 2016 at 12:15, Risker wrote: > > I cannot for the life of me imagine what Google sells that the WMF would be > interested

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Chris Sherlock
> On 1 Mar 2016, at 11:12 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: > > I think some people aren't realizing the difference between the leaked > presentation (which outlined a general search engine) and the actual grant. > The former was just an idea, while the latter is official. By my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Kevin, Those were quotes from the current WMF documentation explaining the Discovery project and its underlying strategy. I linked the sources in my post. Federated open data sources and Kindle are mentioned here: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ADiscovery_Year_0-1-2.pdf=9

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread David Emrany
Dear Anne As a community member *I* am interested in knowing if WMF (or Jimmy) is selling to Google - or to anybody else ... like the Chinese.[1] David [1] http://wikipediasucks.boards.net/post/762 On 3/1/16, Risker wrote: > On 29 February 2016 at 20:43, Andreas Kolbe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Kevin Gorman
The thing that disturbs me more than anything else about a lot of recent events is the utter lack of transparency related to a lot of recent changes. To pick a tangential topic: WMF now has six employees dedicated to foundations and major gifts. I don't mean general fundraising employees, I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Todd Allen
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Risker wrote: > On 29 February 2016 at 19:10, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > > > > > No. You are either transparent and honest, or you are not. > > > > Andreas > > ___ > > > > Or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NY Times on Google team dynamics/success research

2016-02-29 Thread Jordan Adler
We've shared our findings here: https://rework.withgoogle.com/ On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 9:50 AM George Herbert wrote: > > Relevant to the discussion on Foundation issues... The NY Times reports > on Google's research into what made some teams succeed and some fail. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Risker
On 29 February 2016 at 20:43, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Risker wrote: > > > > > So please, let's stop pretending those two words mean the same thing. > > > > > They don't mean the same thing at all. But would you really

[Wikimedia-l] Vendors and Transparency

2016-02-29 Thread Richard Ames
'Deals' and other 'preferential' arrangements can be easily avoided The WMF can deal with others in public at competitive rates. If the vendor wishes to make donations to the WMF they can do so and get a tax deduction! Regards, Richard. On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Andreas Kolbe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Vendors and Transparency

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/29/16 6:15 PM, Richard Ames wrote: > 'Deals' and other 'preferential' arrangements can be easily avoided > The WMF can deal with others in public at competitive rates. > > If the vendor wishes to make donations to the WMF they can do so and > get a tax deduction! It wasn't a great

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

2016-02-29 Thread Richard Ames
Please see: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/mail/email-service-providers-send-tofrom-yahoo-mail-addresses-sln24016.html for the explanation of the issue Richard. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-02-29 19:24 GMT-08:00 Chris Sherlock : > With the greatest of respect, I'm not sure how could come to the conclusion > that general > Internet search was not a core component of the Knowledge Engine. It's important to remember that this is a $250K grant, with a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Chris Sherlock
On 1 Mar 2016, at 5:00 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > > 2016-02-29 19:24 GMT-08:00 Chris Sherlock : > >> With the greatest of respect, I'm not sure how could come to the conclusion >> that general >> Internet search was not a core component of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Leila Zia
I discussed with both James and Jimmy the choice of the word "unanimous". I'm satisfied with their responses. The BoT had a straw poll to make a decision about the leadership in November and the result of that poll may or may not have been unanimous (I'm fine with it being a straw poll at that

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