Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 for FY 2014-2015 now on-wiki

2016-06-05 Thread
On 5 June 2016 at 02:28, Liam Wyatt wrote: > On Sunday, 5 June 2016, Greg Varnum wrote: ... > Not to put too fine a point on it... But are you saying that Sue remained > the most highly paid contractor to the WMF, and at a significantly higher > rate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harassment and blaming the victim

2016-06-05 Thread Pine W
Hi Pax, I agree that blaming the victim is an unsatisfactory resolution. On the other hand, defining what is meant by "incivility" and "harassment" can be very tricky. Just because there is a strong disagreement doesn't imply that people are being uncivil, and we cannot expect that no one will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harassment and blaming the victim

2016-06-05 Thread Pete Forsyth
Pine, as one of the admins who has worked to fend off this sustained attack, I can attest it is exactly that. Your point is a valid one, but it does not apply to this situation. Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]] On Jun 5, 2016 7:13 AM, "Pax Ahimsa Gethen" wrote: > I am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harassment and blaming the victim

2016-06-05 Thread Pax Ahimsa Gethen
I am defining harassment primarily as personal attacks, not merely disputes (even strongly-worded disagreement) over content. Some examples of what I consider harassment: - Vandalizing an editor's user or talk page (hence my Inspire proposal:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harassment and blaming the victim

2016-06-05 Thread Pine W
Thanks, Patrick. The community regularly expends considerable volunteer time and effort to protect the intrgrity of article content and to deal with block evasion. I think it would be helpful if further efforts could be made to increase the efficiency and effectiveness of tools and processes for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey to support the WMF ED search starts right now

2016-06-05 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Pine W wrote: > Hi Board search folks, > Can you comment in response to the email from Lord Bumbury? > > it is difficult for me to respond, as I agree in principle. I think we should have more than just 9 most dominant languages, and as the

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Polska Conference and Board update

2016-06-05 Thread Wojciech Pędzich
On June 3-5, the Polish Wikimedia chapter held its annual Wikimedia Polska Conference, including the General Assembly of Members (June 4). As it was the end of the current term for the Board, seven Board members were elected for the next term, 2016-2018: * Tomasz Ganicz / Polimerek, President

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harassment and blaming the victim

2016-06-05 Thread James Alexander
In general discussing specific cases on public mailings lists is not useful at helping the situation (Pax is, of course, feel free to do so if they feel it would be right). I think if people want to help then thinking about, and talking about, ways to do so is the best way to tackle the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey to support the WMF ED search starts right now

2016-06-05 Thread Nikola Kalchev
Dariusz, thank you for your clarification. I understand that translations take time. Would you please elaborate on the assumption that the most important principle of the ED search committee was speed and not, e.g. participation of a larger part of the community? What would the bad effects of a 2

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey to support the WMF ED search starts right now

2016-06-05 Thread Pine W
Hi Board search folks, Can you comment in response to the email from Lord Bumbury? Thanks, Pine On Jun 1, 2016 14:21, "Nikola Kalchev" wrote: > Hello, > > about the ED search survey [0] I, as a member of an emerging community, the > Bulgarian one [1], disagree that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harassment and blaming the victim

2016-06-05 Thread Pine W
Hi Pax and Pete, It sounds like part of the issue in this case may be that may we need more effective tools for dealing with troublemakers who are banned but continue to return and cause problems. I'm wondering if Patrick Early can comment on what efforts WMF is making in terms of dealing with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harassment and blaming the victim

2016-06-05 Thread Adrian Raddatz
Hi all, As someone who deals with a lot of long-term abuse on the community side, I can give a bit of a comment here. Most of the abuse response comes from the community, not the WMF- they only get involved through their Trust & Safety team on the worst cases. Our ability to deal with block

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey to support the WMF ED search starts right now

2016-06-05 Thread Pine W
I'll add a question of my own here. I find this statement interesting: "Please rate these other qualifications: (Please rate 0 to 5 with 0 being 0 not important; 5 for extremely important)... Experience of working in an a-hierarchical, participative management environment". I find this puzzling

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey to support the WMF ED search starts right now

2016-06-05 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 2016-06-05 23:07, Nikola Kalchev wrote: Dariusz, thank you for your clarification. I understand that translations take time. I fear that user groups will be underrepresented again (another notable example is the number of representatives at the WMCON with chapters having up to four

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey to support the WMF ED search starts right now

2016-06-05 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Pine W wrote: > I'll add a question of my own here. I find this statement interesting: > "Please > rate these other qualifications: (Please rate 0 to 5 with 0 being 0 not > important; 5 for extremely important)... Experience of working in an >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harassment and blaming the victim

2016-06-05 Thread Pine W
Agreed that uncivil administrators can be a part of a negative feedback loop of stress and cynicism, as can uncivil WMF staff and others in positions of authority. However, there are no perfect human beings and if we demanded that all administrators and WMF staff be perfect at all times then there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey to support the WMF ED search starts right now

2016-06-05 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Nikola Kalchev wrote: > Dariusz, thank you for your clarification. I understand that translations > take time. > > Would you please elaborate on the assumption that the most important > principle of the ED search committee was speed and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey to support the WMF ED search starts right now

2016-06-05 Thread Pine W
I understand now. Thank you for clarifying. Pine On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak < djemieln...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Pine W wrote: > > > I'll add a question of my own here. I find this statement interesting: > > "Please

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey to support the WMF ED search starts right now

2016-06-05 Thread Nikola Kalchev
As a patroller on my homewiki I can say that 15 of the 50 most active editors according to stats.wikimedia.org would be capable of answering the questions in one of the ten languages. Those are the people who translate articles from the ten languages of the survey (13 from English, 2 from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harassment and blaming the victim

2016-06-05 Thread Trillium Corsage
Obviously racial criticisms and so forth are awful like Pax said, but on the matter of "troublemakers who are banned" I say it's a greatly overblown issue chiefly emphasized by administrative participants who feel their authority is threatened. One should really look to the nature of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 for FY 2014-2015 now on-wiki

2016-06-05 Thread Pine W
I've been following this discussion with some interest. Can someone point us to where Sue's compensation, after she left the Executive Director role, was budgeted in the WMF annual plans? That money cannot have come out of nowhere. Which line item, or line items, in the 2015-2016 Annual Plan were

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 for FY 2014-2015 now on-wiki

2016-06-05 Thread
Thanks Gnangarra. I'm familiar with Bridgespan, and when I worked as a strategy consultant, I used the "starvation cycle" myself. It's a way of framing the need for improvement differently from simply insisting that 5% is saved each year, and instead using more meaningful strategic goals. This

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 for FY 2014-2015 now on-wiki

2016-06-05 Thread Pine W
With regard to Sue, adding to the list of concerns about the sheer amount of money is that she wasn't the executive anymore, so why was she being paid like one? Pine On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 9:27 PM, Fæ wrote: > Thanks Gnangarra. > > I'm familiar with Bridgespan, and when I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 for FY 2014-2015 now on-wiki

2016-06-05 Thread Gnangarra
this is worth reading http://www.fastcoexist.com/3060455/future-of-philanthropy/demanding-that-nonprofits-not-pay-for-overhead-is-preventing-them-fro On 5 June 2016 at 16:23, Fæ wrote: > On 5 June 2016 at 02:28, Liam Wyatt wrote: > > On Sunday, 5 June