Re: [Wikimedia-l] New tools: pronuncify and pronuncify.net

2017-01-27 Thread Bodhisattwa Mandal
Asaf, Thanks for adding the new feature to this awesome tool. I have started recording and uploading files to Commons using Pronuncify. I will notify you if I face some issues. Best regards, Bodhisattwa On 27 January 2017 at 14:54, Shani Evenstein wrote: > Very cool. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread Liam Wyatt
What a coincidence! "longstanding, pervasive, counter-factual, systemic bias towards supply side trickle-down austerity libertarian objectivist economics" was the name of the band I saw last week at the local pub. They weren't very good though - I liked their earlier stuff. On Fri, 27 Jan 2017

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-01-27 Thread GorillaWarfare
Following up, this is the conversation I was remembering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment/Archive_11 – Molly (GorillaWarfare) On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 11:59 AM, GorillaWarfare < gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Pine, > > We quite rarely receive requests to look

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread Samuel Klein
LopeCosby used to be xx legit before their Soylent Green period. Not surprised their depressed fans would turn to petty counterfactualism. //$ On Jan 27, 2017 2:08 PM, "Liam Wyatt" wrote: > What a coincidence! "longstanding, pervasive, counter-factual, systemic > bias

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-01-27 Thread Sydney Poore
Thanks, Molly. I encouraged people interested in understanding the different views on the topic as it relates to Wikipedia English (and perhaps other wikis) to read this discussion. Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Co-founder Kentucky Wikimedians, Co-founder WikiWomen User Group, Co-founder

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread James Salsman
Fred, > Whatever the earliest editors did has long been superseded by > liberal bias. "Classically" liberal, as in libertarian trickle-down economics, have been strongly reinforced including recently. Have you seen the cadre of editors who protect their walled gardens of Mises Institute-sourced

[Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread James Salsman
Does anyone doubt that the English Wikipedia's longstanding, pervasive, counter-factual, systemic bias towards supply side trickle-down austerity libertarian objectivist economics due at least in part to early influence of editors attracted to Jimmy Wales' former public positions isn't at least

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread FRED BAUDER
Whatever the earliest editors did has long been superseded by liberal bias. (It was nearly impossible to insert even neutral information about Hillary Clinton into her article) It is important to stay in the US unless you wish to experience what lack of an enforced constitutional guarantee of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation receives $500, 000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund to support a healthy and inclusive

2017-01-27 Thread Danny Horn
Oh, that's a really good point. For the product analyst job, we're hoping to hire someone who's already done research on online harassment, and can help us to learn from other people's approaches. Your idea for using aggression/harassment scores in admin applications is really interesting; I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-01-27 Thread Gordon Joly
On 27/01/17 16:59, GorillaWarfare wrote: > Pine, > > We quite rarely receive requests to look into suspicions of paid editing > based on private information. We have historically been reluctant to act on > them for a number of reasons: it's very prone to error, it's often an > incredible amount

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread Anna Stillwell
Hello, I'd like to talk beyond this particular instance or these particular protagonists. I'd like to talk about culture. We've created a culture that is hard on people, somewhat punishing of them. We engage in a good deal of public shaming. We need to find a way to turn our culture toward more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread Anders Wennersten
Anna, I am surprised at your pessimism I see cases over and over again how we "find a way to turn our culture toward more generative and constructive forms of public discourse" See how our Armenian friends is doing wonders turning their closest surrounding into being open in a very tough

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-27 Thread Sam Klein
The sincerity and quality of communication in this thread, and is deep-linked citations, made me grin in an outrageous week. You are all wonderful. On the original subject: Interactives are increasingly satisfying to use; hats off to those involved. No surprise they inspired this shaded

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread James Salsman
>... there is zero chance that the president will be able to censor > the private sector. If you mean the U.S. private sector, you're right. But otherwise, the U.S. President is allowed to take a whole lot of actions which can effectively censor non-citizens, and I've got some bad news pertaining

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Anna I propose to challenge your comments "t’s not even about whose at fault anymore, because we all are. When I talk to people across the movement, they're all pretty clear that someone other than themselves is the responsible party" There is a difference between fault, responsibility and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread David Gerard
On 27 January 2017 at 03:33, Romaine Wiki wrote: > But I think it is possible to make sure risks are spread over the world. > Certainly as we are an international movement that intends to cover the > knowledge of the whole humanoid civilisation. > To come to a conclusion,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread Nathan
Romaine makes some good points. There is a legitimate concern that the turn to populism and unpredictability threatens the environment in which Wikimedia operates, and its only reasonable to consider a move of core assets somewhere safer from the unspooling of Western social fabric. Perhaps the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 7:39 PM, John wrote: > Im not sure you are reading section 14 correctly. It makes reference to > Privacy Act (Privacy Act of 1974) and the privacy policy of the federal > agencies involved in immigration enforcement and law enforcement agencies.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation receives $500, 000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund to support a healthy and inclusive

2017-01-27 Thread Patrick Earley
Hi all, A number of staff and volunteers have been talking about community health for some time now, and I think it’s a point most can agree with that technical improvements alone don’t represent a comprehensive approach to the problem. While we believe they can substantially help those working

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread John
The question is: Is it a legitimate issue or a sensationalized mole hill? Given what I researched I am seeing more of a mole hill. Give it a few days, odds are there will be clarification and this issue will blow over. On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Nathan wrote: > On Fri,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread John Erling Blad
I for one would really, really, really like to see full backup of all data to servers outside USA, if necessary with anonymized contributors. A first step would be to store digests for the revisions on alternate servers, and make it possible to double check the validity of the content. That is, a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread Addshore
On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 at 13:10 Amir Ladsgroup wrote: > Yes they are: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/mirrors.html and three out of > four of them are outside U.S. > Well technically that isn't all of the data / a backup ;) > > Best > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 3:26 PM Gerard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread Joseph Seddon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download#Where_do_I_get_it.3F Seddon On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > No they are not backed up outside the USA. I am not so sure there are off > line backups/ > Thanks, >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread John
I must say the tone of the initial post to this is alarmingly biased and almost misleading. Yes the incoming president has placed a hold on releasing additional material. By no means does that imply that they will start censoring data that they release or in any way affect the private sector.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread Milos Rancic
Anna, you are talking about a decade old problems, which are not yet addressed. There are two exceptions: (1) Board largely stopped making shame transfer statements; and (2) For the last couple of years, every interaction with the staff has given impression to me that I deal with competent

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread Ariel Glenn WMF
I would not consider the dumps to be backups. They are for purposes of mirroring, research, analysis, offline reading and bot processing among other things, but as a backup of our data they fall short. Not only are they not up to the minute but they do not contain private data, as they are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread John
Im not sure you are reading section 14 correctly. It makes reference to Privacy Act (Privacy Act of 1974) and the privacy policy of the federal agencies involved in immigration enforcement and law enforcement agencies. IE the government can freely share information between agencies with regards to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread Peter Southwood
I hope the servers are backed up outside the USA in at least two places and that the data is also backed up off-line somewhere to make it unhackable. Cheers, Peyer -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Romaine Wiki Sent:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation receives $500, 000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund to support a healthy and inclusive

2017-01-27 Thread Johan Jönsson
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 3:47 AM, Todd Allen wrote: > These are all very nice sentiments. But they're phrased in very vague ways. > > Is there anywhere we can see the actual concrete plan for the use of these > funds? > > Todd Hi Todd, You can take a look at the grant

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation receives $500, 000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund to support a healthy and inclusive

2017-01-27 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, First, I am of course very happy about the attention and support from Mr. Newmark. But I am wondering about the special focus to "tools"; harassment is a problem on the social level, not the technical one. Also, after all those years in which we talk about harassment, I find it difficult

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation receives $500, 000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund to support a healthy and inclusive

2017-01-27 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Johan, Thanks for the link, very insightful indeed. Glad to see these documents public Do I understand correctly that this particular initiative will focus on fighting harassment, and not necessarily on preventing it? Basically in a similar pattern that vandalism is fought on most wikipedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New tools: pronuncify and pronuncify.net

2017-01-27 Thread Shani Evenstein
Very cool. Thanks for the work & the update! Shani. On 27 Jan 2017 05:28, "Asaf Bartov" wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > Following Bodhisattwa's request[1], I have added an upload feature to the > (command-line) Linux version of this tool, so it can now batch-upload the >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation receives $500, 000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund to support a healthy and inclusive

2017-01-27 Thread
On 27 January 2017 at 09:21, Lodewijk wrote: ... > Do I understand correctly that this particular initiative will focus on > fighting harassment, and not necessarily on preventing it? Basically in a > similar pattern that vandalism is fought on most wikipedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, No they are not backed up outside the USA. I am not so sure there are off line backups/ Thanks, GerardM On 27 January 2017 at 10:10, Peter Southwood wrote: > I hope the servers are backed up outside the USA in at least two places > and that the data is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread Amir Ladsgroup
Yes they are: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/mirrors.html and three out of four of them are outside U.S. Best On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 3:26 PM Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > No they are not backed up outside the USA. I am not so sure there are off > line backups/ >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote: > Yes they are: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/mirrors.html and three out of > four of them are outside U.S. No images/files backup outside of US. -- Milos ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-27 Thread Anna Stillwell
Hey Pine, Thanks for all of the good ideas. I'll reach out to you. As for the other suggestions, I appreciate them. I do a lot better and understand a lot more in 1:1 communication, so I'd prefer to interview people. /a On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Pine W wrote: > Hi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation receives $500, 000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund to support a healthy and inclusive

2017-01-27 Thread Danny Horn
The project has four focus areas, and blocking is just one of them. Here's the whole picture: * Detection and prevention: Using machine learning to help flag situations for admin review -- both text that looks like it's harassing and aggressive, as well as modeling patterns of user interaction,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation receives $500, 000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund to support a healthy and inclusive

2017-01-27 Thread Anna Stillwell
Right on. Your enthusiasm is infectious, Danny. Congratulations to all who are making this a reality. /a On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Danny Horn wrote: > The project has four focus areas, and blocking is just one of them. Here's > the whole picture: > > * Detection and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-01-27 Thread GorillaWarfare
Pine, We quite rarely receive requests to look into suspicions of paid editing based on private information. We have historically been reluctant to act on them for a number of reasons: it's very prone to error, it's often an incredible amount of work, and we open ourselves up personally to legal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation receives $500, 000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund to support a healthy and inclusive

2017-01-27 Thread Lodewijk
Thanks Danny for the elaboration. I don't want to contest the value of this work at all - sorry if that seemed implied. I think it's an effort that may be quite necessary - especially in some communities. The set of tools you're describing to be developed, seem all to be related to a process

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation receives $500, 000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund to support a healthy and inclusive

2017-01-27 Thread Delphine Ménard
On 27 January 2017 at 18:17, Lodewijk wrote: [snip] > What I am curious about, is whether there are also efforts ongoing that are > focused on influencing community behavior in a more preventive manner. I'm > not sure how that would work out in practice, [snip] But

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-27 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Anna Thank you for that. In general an engagement works well when both, or all, parties have something to bring to the table and something to gain from the engagement (and certain other factors are in . So for example, in the field of software planning one might expect that an engagement