Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-28 Thread Romaine Wiki
Hi! Sorry, I had not the intention to write a Wikipedia article that is balanced. The only thing I tried to describe is some signals in the media that give me concerns. But I am sorry to say, but your reaction is something what I would call naieve, and biased as well. You are free to think that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-28 Thread Vi to
Actually some parties might bring EU to low standards of freedom of expression. For what concerns Wikimedia, I fear more lobbying about copyright related legislation or about net neutrality than USA turning into a dictatorship. I'm not afraid of a complete service disruption but instead of things

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-28 Thread Romaine Wiki
Hi Nathan, You describe what I tried to say: threats to the environment in what Wikimedia operates. In the Netherlands there has been a government based on populism (with Geert Wilders) but the effects were very limited. The same in other EU countries. Political parties and political leaders in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-28 Thread Thyge
It's not so challenging, Nathan -we just need to make a copy of a full backup for each language version, we have and store it in the country/countries where the language is spoken. This avoids any bias in the selection. Regards, Sir48-Thyge 2017-01-28 2:12 GMT+01:00 Nathan :

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-28 Thread Pine W
I have created a Phabricator task here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T156544 Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-28 Thread Gnangarra
> > Nathan said "*its only reasonable to consider a move of core **assets > somewhere safer from the unspooling of Western social fabric* > ​.. > *This is more challenging than I expected. Where will​ ​* > *we find some place that is protected from the pernicious threats that > beset​ ​**the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-28 Thread Gnangarra
In this case I think its more than the projects that need to be protected, there are a lot of resources based in the US that may need to be distributed on a wider base including personal/private data already collected by the WMF. There are already practical challenges ahead with US visa changes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-28 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Gerard, If you think it is particularly bad for the WMF to be asked to engage with the community, perhaps you could tell us how, in your view, the way the WMF plans its activities and spends the donors' money, and supports the people who write the contents of the projects the WMF hosts, could be

[Wikimedia-l] General Assembly: board + annual reports

2017-01-28 Thread Romaine Wiki
Dear all, Today Wikimedia Belgium had the annual General Assembly . At 1 January 2017 the board had five board members. Every board member is elected for a two years term, besides the president who is elected every year. From these five

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-28 Thread Sam Klein
Thank you, Pine. Yes, this is essential. We've avoided the issue in the past, but it's time to have a proper international backup now. On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 3:52 AM, Pine W wrote: > I have created a Phabricator task here: > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T156544 > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, What I explicitly say is that when the whole of the community is seen as the community of en.wp then I truly think there is something fundamentally wrong with the notions pandered. Thanks, GerardM On 28 January 2017 at 18:54, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > Gerard, >

[Wikimedia-l] personal information in reader logs kept for 60 days (was Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-28 Thread James Salsman
> there are a lot of resources based in the US that may > need to be distributed on a wider base including > personal/private data already collected by the WMF For editors, but not readers. On November 8 a top foundation official tweeted that the Foundation would not store personally identifying

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-28 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Gerard, > What I explicitly say is that when the whole of the community is seen as > the community of en.wp then I truly think there is something fundamentally > wrong with the notions pandered. I agree, and the more readily since I do not think, and have not said, that the English-language

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-28 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Anna > To be clear, I’m engaged in understanding your perspective. I’m > not promising to do any specific thing at this time. I like understanding > problems and wondering how we might solve seemingly complicated ones in > simple ways. It’s kind of a sickness. > Got it, thanks for asking. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-28 Thread Romaine Wiki
On every continent there are likely risks and we should be aware of them. Copyrights issues are also something to look out for. In the Netherlands the telecom enforcement agency is pretty strict and active in enforcing net neutrality. But yes, risks are spread over the world. Where the servers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When an argument has it that something will not workshop because of en wp, I am disgusted. Yet another argument on less of 50% of our traffic. It is particulariteit bad when the wmf is asked to engage the community. What community? Thanks, GerardM Op za 28 jan. 2017 om 18:27 schreef

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-28 Thread Damon Sicore
As long as humanity maintains the concept of non-citizen, global suffering will prevail. I believe the only way to address backup and privacy concerns is to permanently dissolve all current systems relying on the infrastructure that corporations and governments can touch or see and move to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-28 Thread Craig Franklin
Hi Pine, Thanks for raising this task. There is more to a disaster plan than just smuggling backups of the content itself out though. The projects have grown to a size now where they cannot be run by some guy out of his garage using a backup; we need to think about how we can move or protect

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Yes. You are right. But having a strategy starts with basics. Having full backups and moving them of the premises. The next part, having a working environment is a next step. Did you consider what it means when a government takes hold of the domain? How we are to change the registration so