[Wikimedia-l] The Signpost – Volume 13, Issue 2 – 6 February 2017

2017-02-06 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
Arbitration report: WMF Legal and ArbCom weigh in on tension between disclosure requirements and user privacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2017-02-06/Arbitration_report Special report: Wolves nip at Wikipedia's heels: A perspective on the cost of paid editing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] MediaWiki project

2017-02-06 Thread Newyorkbrad
I suspect that this was posted not by OhNoItsJamie but by an imposter. Newyorkbrad On 2/6/17, OhNoitsJamie 1 wrote: > Hello, > > I have been long interested in starting my own MediaWiki project, but the > issue is that I cannot maintain server infrastructure myself.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation receives $500, 000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund to support a healthy and inclusive

2017-02-06 Thread Pete Forsyth
On 02/06/2017 12:43 AM, Christophe Henner wrote: I'm delighted to see this issue getting some attention. I believe the core of the problem comes from the WMF's identity, from the start, as a technology company; so shifting in this direction might be an uphill battle, but I feel strongly that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Foundation's challenge to recent U.S. immigration executive order

2017-02-06 Thread Nathan
I generally share Yair's reluctance to see the WMF engage in political activity outside the scope of the Wikimedia mission, but I'd like to express my support for the WMF taking action specifically in pursuit of maintaining the freedom to travel and work of its employees and volunteers engaged in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation duties

2017-02-06 Thread Craig Franklin
Hi Richard, I know that at times keeping on top of a mailing list as "spicy" of this one must have been a tough job. It's one that you've done well, in this subscriber's opinion. Thanks for your service. Cheers, Craig Franklin On 6 February 2017 at 07:18, Richard Ames

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation duties

2017-02-06 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Craig Franklin wrote: > Hi Richard, > > I know that at times keeping on top of a mailing list as "spicy" of this > one must have been a tough job. It's one that you've done well, in this > subscriber's opinion. Thanks for your service.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, As far as I am concerned, the WMF is not democratic. It does not matter. What does matter is that people only care about their own arguments and are not willing to entertain the considerations of others. While to some extend policies are worthwhile at the same time they prevent people from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Credibility like quality is a two edged sword. When the suggestion is that we lose credibility, the question is to whom and also is that not exactly the point. When we take a stance or when we do not take a stance it has consequences. The huha with no banner for Bassel has cost our community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Foundation's challenge to recent U.S. immigration executive order

2017-02-06 Thread Michael Snow
On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Yair Rand wrote: I would still like confirmation of whether it was in fact an urgent situation, however. The legal posture of the case (temporary restraining order issued prior to hearing on a preliminary injunction) makes it urgent. In order to participate meaningfully in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2017-02-06 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > Christophe > > On 20 December, you wrote > > > Basically it's making the legal team life's easier when they need to do > > small and/or quick changes. They don't have to go through the whole > > resolution process

Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-06 Thread Romaine Wiki
To stay short and in addition of Seddon said: The more the Wikimedia movement/WMF chooses to pick a side by using a banner above all projects (like Wikipedia) - calling yes/no for a strike is taking a side - the more it can loose credibility. For the same reason as we do not want advertisements,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2017-02-06 Thread Pine W
Hi Christophe, You wrote, "This delegates authority, not responsability." Perhaps you could explain the distinction. It seems to me that the two go hand in hand. Speaking generally, it sounds to me like the Board has good intentions here, but there is a lot of room for error and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-06 Thread James Salsman
On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Bill Takatoshi wrote: > >... I am sending these links without James's commentary The part that was deleted from what I had asked to be forwarded basically said this: Some of the most senior and respected Foundation leaders have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-06 Thread Adam Wight
Dear friends, As wonderful as it is to see this discussion unfold, showing how many of us care deeply about humanism and the movement's impact in the material world, I'd like to observe that it also demonstrates how underdeveloped our movement-wide political processes are. To my understanding,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Foundation's challenge to recent U.S. immigration executive order

2017-02-06 Thread Mike Godwin
Yair Rand writes: > I find it difficult to believe that this situation is so critical > and urgent that an RfC in advance was impossible, so if it does fall under > that section, the policy was yet again violated. I don't find it difficult at all to believe time was of the essence, but, then,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2017-02-06 Thread Pete Forsyth
On 02/06/2017 11:53 AM, Pine W wrote: Hi Christophe, You wrote, "This delegates authority, not responsability." Perhaps you could explain the distinction. It seems to me that the two go hand in hand. Pine, I disagree. I have had plenty of jobs where I had the authority to do something, but

[Wikimedia-l] MediaWiki project

2017-02-06 Thread OhNoitsJamie 1
Hello, I have been long interested in starting my own MediaWiki project, but the issue is that I cannot maintain server infrastructure myself. Also, most of the MediaWiki hosting services listed do not meet my requirements. Therefore, I was wondering if the WMF would consider starting a new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-06 Thread James Salsman
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Bill Takatoshi wrote: > > I have no suggestion for what a banner might say, but I would like to > see such proposals from others. I propose: http://i.imgur.com/3Fb8Zrr.png Sincerely, Jim Salsman

Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-06 Thread Joseph Seddon
As someone who supports community central notice campaigns, I must point out that this list is not the appropriate venue for any discussion that aims to arrive at any decision relating to such a banner campaign and any thread here would in no way directly result in such action. There are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2017-02-06 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Christophe On 20 December, you wrote > Basically it's making the legal team life's easier when they need to do > small and/or quick changes. They don't have to go through the whole > resolution process to change a comma. > > Now you write > the Executive Director > has authority to set and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Foundation's challenge to recent U.S. immigration executive order

2017-02-06 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Michelle Would you let us know how much of the donors' money will be spent on this legal brief, either directly or in the costs of staff time, please? It would also be of interest to know why you felt that the input of the WMF to this brief was essential given that there are 90 other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Foundation's challenge to recent U.S. immigration executive order

2017-02-06 Thread Yair Rand
On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > Yair Rand writes: > > > I find it difficult to believe that this situation is so critical > > and urgent that an RfC in advance was impossible, so if it does fall > under > > that section, the policy was yet again

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-06 Thread Todd Allen
And a partridge in a pear tree? But seriously. This is exactly what I was afraid of with opening the door to political advocacy. Todd On Feb 6, 2017 2:24 PM, "James Salsman" wrote: > On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Bill Takatoshi > wrote: > > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Foundation's challenge to recent U.S. immigration executive order

2017-02-06 Thread Christophe Henner
Hi Yair, Yes board was informed in the process. Plus when situation started a few days ago, board expressed full support stepping up against that specific EO. Christophe HENNER Chair of the board of trustees chen...@wikimedia.org +33650664739 twitter *@schiste*skype

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2017-02-06 Thread Christophe Henner
Hey, Sorry, with everything I forgot to answer this thread. So I'll provide a general answer if I may. As I've shared back in June, for this year, some of my goals include building a strong working relationship between the Board and the Executive Director, and helping the Board focus on the most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation receives $500, 000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund to support a healthy and inclusive

2017-02-06 Thread Christophe Henner
Hey, On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 5:33 AM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Lodewijk >> wrote: >> >> What I am curious about, is whether there are also efforts ongoing that >>> are >>> focused on influencing community behavior

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-06 Thread Christophe Henner
Hey, I love that thread. Touchy topîc and yet an awesome discussion, Thank you so much :D A few month ago, little time after my election, I asked that question on Facebook and provided my own answer. And yes, I do believe that saying neutral knowledge should be freely accessible by everyone on