[Wikimedia-l] proposal for regular surveys of community opinion

2017-02-24 Thread Bill Takatoshi
Over the past few weeks I have been discussing how to correct the lack of information about community opinion and the disadvantages of relying on opt-in (RFCs or less formal "speak up and stick your neck out") methods for addressing the problem with Foundation staff, other community members, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-24 Thread Adrian Raddatz
WMF staff are certainly contributors within the technical spaces. There's no reason why they shouldn't be able to participate in the COC formation process (which I have unrelated concerns with...) A lack of other community members participation is perhaps half on a lack of advertising, and half

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-24 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine When I last spent some time looking at the proposal, I too felt that the > contributions indicated that the policy had far too little community > influence. *However*, if you'll entertain a hypothetical with me for a > moment, let's suppose that the status quo continues and there is >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Launch of translation drive #16WikiWomen

2017-02-24 Thread Florence Devouard
Hello Since the launch of the translation effort, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asmaa_Mahfouz went from 11 languages to 20 ! Nice ! We still need your help to give a bit more visibility on the web to 16 African women. Please join to help here or relay :

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-24 Thread Erik Bernhardson
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Pine W wrote: > > A point I should make is that I think that Matthew and others made some > good-faith efforts with the current draft. I would have proposed far less > WMF involvement with the draft One thing I just don't understand here,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-24 Thread Todd Allen
I think we definitely should think about next steps if the draft fails to gain consensus. (And, for that matter, if it does get consensus, there will be a lot of followup work in that case too.) But if it fails, one of the most important questions will be "Why did people object to this and how

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-24 Thread Pine W
Let me rephrase and elaborate on that point. Phabricator and MediaWiki aren't the WMF wiki. I think that WMF employees' proposals, comments, questions, and suggestions can be welcome for TCoC drafting. However, in terms of process leadership and in terms of proportion of input, I would like to see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-24 Thread Pine W
> * The people in the WMF and the Affiliates are /part of/ of the communities. > * Even the people without extensive years of volunteering, or those who > only started volunteering at the same time as they became professionally > involved, are part of the communities. > * It is illogical for us to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-24 Thread Pine W
Well, WMF will have to deal with this policy too. (: I'm cautious about using a plurality of comments on this list as a proxy for an RfC, but if I was WMF and I was looking at the comments on this thread, I would be giving a lot of thought to fallbacks in case the RfC either fails to achieve

Re: [Wikimedia-l] February 24: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#8)

2017-02-24 Thread Pine W
Hi Katherine, Just to follow up on some of the conversations yesterday on IRC, there were some questions about which functions (e.g. fundraising, legal, technical development, governance, communications) fit into which track. I'm thinking that a number of functions will be shared across multiple

[Wikimedia-l] February 24: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#8)

2017-02-24 Thread Katherine Maher
Hi all! Apologies for getting this out on a Friday, when so many of you are already enjoying your weekends. This week we hosted staff members from around the Foundation here in San Francisco for annual planning preparations. As a result, we have a slightly shorter update this week, but with some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-24 Thread quiddity
* The people in the WMF and the Affiliates are /part of/ of the communities. * Even the people without extensive years of volunteering, or those who only started volunteering at the same time as they became professionally involved, are part of the communities. * It is illogical for us to tell the