Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding the endowment

2017-08-23 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
James Certainly. When the probability of last year's fundraising effort generating more income than had been expected emerged, there was a discussion here about how that "surplus" might be used. There were some suggestions for using it to directly assist the members of the volunteer community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread George Herbert
The 15 limit is busted regularly by normal active posters. I disagree with that one. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2017, at 9:03 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > > Hi list members, > > The list admins (hereafter 'we', being Austin, Asaf, Shani

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding the endowment

2017-08-23 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Lisa Gruwell wrote: > Just jumping in with a few points of information regarding the Endowment: > > 1) I met with Lukas at Wikimania regarding SRI and the endowment. As James > indicated, the endowment is invested through the Tides

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Lodewijk
Thanks Gerard for pointing out that the 'goals' are probably not as clear. And maybe we are talking with different goals in mind. So let me phrase my goals for this discussion: I would like to see this list develop into a forum that facilitates healthy and constructive discussions within and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Gnangarra
For 1 I like the higher soft limit at 30 15 feels to low, though maybe we could encourage a bit id discretion on the list admins behalf if someone is approaching the soft limit but not productively contributing to discussions or being repeative. For 2 global ban should see a person removed form

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertizing Wikimania (youtube) livestreams on centralnotice

2017-08-23 Thread Joseph Seddon
Hey Lodewijk, Apologies for the delay. This is my second attempt at replying because my first response was just getting bogged down in detail. So I'm going to jump into the crux of the issues. Given the resources that goes into Wikimania I do personally think that we have an obligation to try

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You indicate that you aim to reduce the volume. I think the number of posts is at a record low. The notion that the number of edits per person must be brought down is not a reflection of the number of posts made to this list. When you disagree on this, show some statistics. When you put

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Lodewijk
Hey John, Thanks for starting this discussion. I appreciate the efforts. I don't have the impression that the exact height of the soft limit will solve any problems. It's fighting a sympton, rather than the cause of the issue. I'm fine either way, although I fear that having it at this level

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Lukas Mezger
Hi, I would like to join Lodewijk both in thanking the list administrators for opening and framing this discussion, and in thinking out lout that maybe " constructiveness" should somehow be made a rule for posting on this list. Kind regards, Lukas -- Dr. Lukas Mezger Mitglied des Präsidiums /

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Windows 10 lockscreen images

2017-08-23 Thread Richard Farmbrough
I have looked at the Wikipedia traffic for the places associated with some of these images, and it is clear that they drive in the order of thousands of hits per day. I haven't been able to find a definitive list, from which more comprehensive stats could be generated. I think that using Commons

[Wikimedia-l] [Webcast] Wikimedia Technical Committee (TechCom) announcement on September 5 at 17:30 UTC

2017-08-23 Thread Srishti Sethi
Hello everyone, Please join us for the *Wikimedia Technical Committee (**TechCom) announcement webcast* by Victoria Coleman (Chief Technology Officer, Wikimedia Foundation) and Daniel Kinzler

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
One proposal involves posters being asked to verify their real-life identity to the list moderators. Perhaps the moderators will supplement that proposal with a description of the forms of identification they would require, and privacy policy that they would apply to protect such information.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Robert Fernandez
It is a mistake to frame the use of a community resource in terms of a legal or justice system, or an individual's rights or punishment. This is an issue of the management of a community resource, and a community resource must be managed in a way that works for the community as a whole, not just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up

2017-08-23 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi all, On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 11:51:02 -0400 "Brad Jorsch (Anomie)" wrote: > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Joseph Seddon > wrote: > > > New Native feel: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein?banner=B1718_ > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Joseph, On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 6:40 PM, you wrote: > Rogol you yet again misrepresent what has been stated. If you believe that I have misrepresented some statement on this list, by all means quote me directly and explain your belief. A general statement of this nature coupled with a vague

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up

2017-08-23 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Joseph Seddon wrote: > New Native feel: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein?banner=B1718_ > 0823_en6C_dsk_p1_lg_dsn_native=1=US=QA > Personally, I really dislike banners that try to pretend to be content. This one makes it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Eduardo Testart
Hi, The four proposals seem fine to me and I support them! Chees! On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Robert Fernandez wrote: > It is a mistake to frame the use of a community resource in terms of a > legal or justice system, or an individual's rights or punishment.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Joseph Seddon
Rogol you yet again misrepresent what has been stated. Seddon On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > One proposal involves posters being asked to verify their real-life > identity to the list moderators. Perhaps the moderators will supplement > that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up

2017-08-23 Thread Lodewijk
Hey Brad, I can see that confusing people is not what we should be aiming for :) Would it help sooth your mind when there is a clear distinction between content and banner, even if the look and feel is the same? (I can imagine that you could accomplish this by doing the banner at full site width,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up

2017-08-23 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > I can see that confusing people is not what we should be aiming for :) > Would it help sooth your mind when there is a clear distinction between > content and banner, even if the look and feel is the same? (I can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Lodewijk
R, if you know my contributions to this list, you also know that it is not rare that I disagree with Foundation staff members. However, also I am very uncomfortable with how you interact on this list, and the way you communicate in general. This has only marginally to do with being on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Dan Actually, being insulted and falsely accused of generalised misconduct by a paid employee of the Foundation who has failed to read my post correctly is what I call unconstructive behaviour. But perhaps that is what you expect the donors money to be spent on. Roald On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up

2017-08-23 Thread Michael Peel
> On 23 Aug 2017, at 13:36, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Hi all, > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 11:51:02 -0400 > "Brad Jorsch (Anomie)" > > wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Joseph Seddon >>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up

2017-08-23 Thread Michael Maggs
When viewed on my iPhone the 'New Native Feel' version has *five* full screens of text headed 'To all our readers in the US'. To be honest, unless I had known about this in advance I would have thought I'd been directed to the wrong page. I'd never bother to scroll down that far to get to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up

2017-08-23 Thread Pax Ahimsa Gethen
On 8/23/17 2:33 PM, Michael Peel wrote: On 23 Aug 2017, at 13:36, Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi all, On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 11:51:02 -0400 "Brad Jorsch (Anomie)" > wrote: On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Joseph Seddon

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Lukas Mezger
Again, I would like to second what Lodewijk wrote. Lukas 2017-08-23 23:52 GMT+02:00 Lodewijk : > R, > > if you know my contributions to this list, you also know that it is not > rare that I disagree with Foundation staff members. However, also I am very >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Robert Fernandez
Agreed. This sort of thinly veiled threat towards someone, whether the Foundation is their employer or not, should be grounds for moderation or banning. On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Dan Rosenthal wrote: > Hey Rogol: > > "Alternatively, > perhaps you would prefer me to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up

2017-08-23 Thread Risker
I think they continue to display the absolutely most irritating behaviour of the old banners, which is the several second delay between the screen that shows the content, and the overlaid banner that in the "old" baner covers the content someone has already started reading and in the "new" banner

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up

2017-08-23 Thread MZMcBride
Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: >Personally, I really dislike banners that try to pretend to be content. >This one makes it look like the page is an article titled "To all our >readers in the U.S." rather than a page with a banner on it. This type of design is similar to, if not precisely, "native

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up

2017-08-23 Thread Robert Fernandez
Is anyone actually confusing the banner with article content, or are they just assuming others will do so? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Craig Franklin
Joining the pile-on here. The focus on nitpicking semantics rather than substantive issues, passive-aggressive grandstanding ("May I suggest that you withdraw your original posting"), and the threat to tattletale on someone to their boss for expressing a perfectly reasonable perspective are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Joseph Seddon
Real identity does not equal real-life identity. You can mask your pseudonymous identity and pose as a third party similarly pseudonymous individual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet) Seddon ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Joseph I chose my wording quite carefully, and suggest that you do so too. I said that the proposal "involves", not "is equal to" real-life identity To the extent that real-life identities are involved, it is reasonable to ask how that personal information is going to be handled. For some

[Wikimedia-l] We welcome Giuseppe Lavagetto to the TechCom

2017-08-23 Thread Victoria Coleman
Hi everyone, it is with great pleasure that Daniel and I would like to announce that Giuseppe Lavagetto is joining the TechCom. Giuseppe works in the Technical Operations team, which is responsible for the reliability, availability and performance of the WMF infrastructure. Within the team,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Lodewijk
R, if it's worth anything (probably not), what Seddon wrote on this list could in those exact wordings equally well have come from me. I don't think his words are why this conversation turned sour. Unrelated to that: I'm pretty confident indeed that several of the participants in this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Hey Rogol: "Alternatively, perhaps you would prefer me to ask your line manager whether this is the sort of behaviour that she expects you to exhibit in a public forum." This is the kind of "unconstructive" behavior the list is talking about. I fail to see how threatening to tattle to someone's

[Wikimedia-l] Global preferences: request for feedback

2017-08-23 Thread Danny Horn
Hi everyone, The Community Tech team is currently working on Global preferences, the #4 wish from the 2016 Community Wishlist Survey, and we've got a question for folks who are interested in using the feature. We're adapting an extension developed by Legoktm, updating the code and making some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Samuel Klein
Thoughtful, practical, good. Thank you. On Aug 22, 2017 9:03 PM, "John Mark Vandenberg" wrote: Hi list members, The list admins (hereafter 'we', being Austin, Asaf, Shani and I, your humble narrator) regularly receive complaints about the frequent posters on this list, as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New beta feature: Syntax Highlighting!

2017-08-23 Thread Danny Horn
Hi everyone, I've got some good news -- wikitext syntax highlighting is live again, and I'm almost completely sure it's staying live. :) You can now enable it as a Beta feature on all LTR wikis. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Danny Horn wrote: > Hi Andy, > > Thanks for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees appointments and officer positions

2017-08-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 23 August 2017 at 12:32, Katie Chan wrote: > On 23/08/2017 00:33, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> >> >> By definition, no, it is not. "An election is a formal group >> decision-making process by which a population chooses an individual to >> hold public office." In this case the

[Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up

2017-08-23 Thread Joseph Seddon
Hey Wikimedia-l Apologies for the short notice. I wanted to give you a heads up on a banner test that will soon be going live. We've been working on a new style of banner that is specifically designed to have the same native look and feel as the rest of the site and interface. It's intended to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees appointments and officer positions

2017-08-23 Thread Thyge
I think we all know the substance of this topic and have known for quite some time. Everyone may call the procedure whatever suits her/him best. Regards Thyge - Sir48 2017-08-23 16:32 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett : > On 23 August 2017 at 12:32, Katie Chan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees appointments and officer positions

2017-08-23 Thread Katie Chan
On 23/08/2017 15:32, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 23 August 2017 at 12:32, Katie Chan wrote: Let's go with the broader definition from (en) Wiktionary - "A process of choosing ... or other representatives by popular vote.", or even beyond the first sentence from en Wikipedia - "To