Re: [Wikimedia-l] October 12: Strategy update - Movement direction now posted for your endorsement consideration (#26)

2017-10-20 Thread Nicole Ebber
Hi Ziko, Quick response regarding the endorsement: We will ask people to only endorse the strategic direction in the green box and the short section underneath with the next steps. Hope that helps. Best regards, Nicole On 21 October 2017 at 01:02, Ziko van Dijk wrote: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] October 12: Strategy update - Movement direction now posted for your endorsement consideration (#26)

2017-10-20 Thread Ziko van Dijk
2017-10-20 23:10 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher : > > I am optimistic that this strategic direction provides every individual and > entity within the Wikimedia movement something to be excited about. > Hello, it is not about what I might be excited about - I wonder in which ways

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-20 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Hi Erik, More good points here. On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > > With regard to the issue of citations, it's worth noting that it's > already possible to _conditionally_ load data from Wikidata, excluding > information that is unsourced or only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-20 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Hi Katherine, On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Katherine Maher wrote: > 2017-10-09 17:44 GMT-07:00 Erik Moeller : > > > > With an eye to 2030 and WMF's long-term direction, I do think it's > > worth thinking about Wikidata's centrality, and I would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-20 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 12:51 AM, James Salsman wrote: > Erik, > > Should interactive web, internet of things, or offline services > relying on Foundation encyclopedia CC-BY-SA content be required to > attribute authorship by specifying the revision date from which the >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Books & Bytes – Issue 23, June – July 2017

2017-10-20 Thread UY Scuti
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[Wikimedia-l] October 12: Strategy update - Movement direction now posted for your endorsement consideration (#26)

2017-10-20 Thread Katherine Maher
Hi all, I’m delighted to share that a final version of the Wikimedia movement's new strategic direction has been posted on Meta-Wiki: https://meta.wikimedia.org/?curid=10422143 The drafting group[1] bravely spent several weeks reading, considering, and (when possible) responding to the comments

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

2017-10-20 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I think the broader point being that for any legal or criminal complaints, the appropriate venue is the court system, not the Wikimedia-L mailing list. Dan Rosenthal On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 12:45 AM, James Salsman wrote: > > Legal threats are surely the universal language

[Wikimedia-l] Ideas re Development, Semantic Field coverage by Project Integration

2017-10-20 Thread Steve Cooney
Some ideas: * Add topical forums to Wikipedia, by a rough count around eighty different topics. The encyclopedia article (primarily the one in the current global common language of American English) is the central document which contains the facts around any particular issue, and forums

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wmfall] New Developers Quarterly Report's first edition

2017-10-20 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, I am very happy to see that the New Developers Quarterly report is raising some interest. Yes, there are important problems of sustainability in our developer community that deserve attention. On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Fæ wrote: > Suggestion, throw away the current

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

2017-10-20 Thread Rémi Mathis
Katherine, I told you a month ago "Maybe you should reply as a responsible human being and not as a trained crisis communication people". This is truer everyday. What did you write this email yesterday, and not one,two, three months ago? Because I left Wikimedia France, because a Fields

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-20 Thread James Salsman
Erik, Should interactive web, internet of things, or offline services relying on Foundation encyclopedia CC-BY-SA content be required to attribute authorship by specifying the revision date from which the transluded content is derived? On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Erik Moeller

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

2017-10-20 Thread Gabriel Thullen
Thank you Katherine for your long and thoughtful message on this difficult subject. I feel that the Foundation took the necessary steps to ensure that all parties concerned were treated fairly. I also tend to trust the Foundation board when they say that there was "no merit to the charges". This

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

2017-10-20 Thread Frans Grijzenhout
Hi Remi, You're mail is one big complaint, may I remind you to the last phrase of your Board Handbook? It states: Fortes capacité d’auto-évaluation ​ (​Strong self-assessment capability). Thank you, Frans *Frans Grijzenhout*, voorzitter / chair +31 6 5333 9499 -- *Vereniging Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

2017-10-20 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 12:21 AM, Emeric VALLESPI wrote: > Katherine, > > [...] > The lawyers you have appointed have been paid by the Foundation. They > *only* interviewed the defendant. Is this true? Because if what Emeric and Remi say is in fact true, it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-20 Thread Lodewijk
Thanks for the response, Katherine. I'm a little concerned that we can have such "vastly different" interpretations of the same text. I tried to get some Wikimedians to give me their take-away, and have not gotten a consistent direction from those. What I mostly remember after reading your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wmfall] New Developers Quarterly Report's first edition

2017-10-20 Thread Lodewijk
Just trying to understand: this is the percentage change of a percentage? Or the percentage change of the absolute retention? (I would be particularly interested in the latter, as the former could be muddied by successful efforts to have more people make a first contribution) Lodewijk On Wed,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-20 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Hello Lodewijk, no, you are certainly not alone in your concerns. It looks like at this stage there is little we can do, and the only option left is to not endorse the document. Cheers Yaroslav On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > Thanks for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-20 Thread Katherine Maher
Hi all, Sorry for the delay in chiming in. It's been a busy few weeks, and while I haven't made a public update about strategy in a while, work has been continuing! We've now closed Phase 1, and we're heading into Phase 2, in which our objective is to start thinking about how we make the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

2017-10-20 Thread Lodewijk
While this topic is painful and important, I don't have the feeling any progress is being made by continuing this tirade on this mailing list. I can see that hiring lawyers to investigate, will (at least in my culture) always have a whiff of subjectivity. Even though this seems (from what I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

2017-10-20 Thread Joseph Seddon
I must echo Lodewijk's words. Washing dirty linen in public is beneficial to no one and damages everyone involved including those making the accusations. There will be and are lessons to be learned but right now there is a huge chilling effect from the presence of lawyers on many sides and there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-20 Thread Peter Southwood
I feel much the same as Lodewijk, though it is possible that we differ in detail. As he says the document is rather vague and open to divergent interpretation after the fact. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf