[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Polska - new Board

2018-06-10 Thread Wojciech Pędzich
Dear all, following yesterday's General Assembly of Wikimedia Polska Association, held in Katowice, a new composition of the Board and other statutory bodies of the chapter have been established. Tomasz "Polimerek" Ganicz decided to resign his long-standing position on the Board, after 13

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

2018-06-10 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
I made this point earlier this month, but let me make it again. Money generated by volunteers should indeed go back to volunteers. It just can not go back as a salary. If it goes back as a salary, you have people working together, some of them being paid for the work, and some doing it for free.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

2018-06-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 10/06/18 05:01, Natacha Rault wrote: Have a nice day, I have just bought myself a canoe kayak, which is the only way for me not to get entangled in contributing on a bright sunny day. I cant bring my computer on the river! Yes you can, if you have the money for it. They make waterproof

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

2018-06-10 Thread James Heilman
We did have a proposal on EN WP for a group of functionaires to help deal with issues pertaining to undisclosed paid editing. I do not feel this group would require payment but support to meet once or twice a year IMO could be useful. Such a group could play a leading roll in: 1) Collecting and

[Wikimedia-l] Announcing Consortium of Wikipedia Military Historians

2018-06-10 Thread Krishna Chaitanya Velaga
Greetings, Following several discussions on English Wikipedia and Meta-Wiki, the planned collaboration for the users working on military history content on all of Wikipedias (may be other projects as well) is now live. The Consortium of Wikipedia Military Historians is intended to bring

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

2018-06-10 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
Yaroslav, Yes, you already made your point earlier, and I addressed it here [1] and also in the draft proposal to enable some volunteers to receive donations for their work [2]. The fact that you neither commented on my reply to your initial concern, nor on the proposal suggests me several

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

2018-06-10 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 10:25 PM, David Cuenca Tudela wrote: Dear David, your mail is very long and dense, I don't know where to start: so I'll start from a random point ;-) > You say that that WMF bears responsibility in the "failure" of our > Wikisource community project, and that it is not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

2018-06-10 Thread Anders Wennersten
I can agree with most what you write Yaroslav, but I want also to remind the scenario that started this issue. I believe we are in a process of worsening deterioration of the content in our major project (Enwp,dewp etc). This as the rewards to enter biased info in these are getting higher as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

2018-06-10 Thread Anders Wennersten
James, I think you yourself earlier today put forwards a possible first step in this direction. Support a group of people working "at the front" in neutralizing paid editing and other bad editing, by giving them possiblity to meet IRL, and why not at a session commited to this issue at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

2018-06-10 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
Hi Yaroslav, Thanks for explaining why you didn't answer. I agree with you, these kind of conversations can be *very* exausting, but in this case I am not looking for an argument, I am just trying to understand your position better. You formulated your standing against "regular paid editors not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

2018-06-10 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Hi David, Well, I did not reply because I disagree but in my experience having long arguments with people one disagrees with usually does not lead to agreement and is also very tiring. You gave your opinion, I gave mine, it is up to other readers to decide whose arguments are stronger. I really

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Polska - new Board

2018-06-10 Thread Eileen Hershenov
Congratulations to the new board members and others and many thanks for the service of those who have left! On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 4:39 AM Wojciech Pędzich wrote: > Dear all, > > > > following yesterday's General Assembly of Wikimedia Polska Association, > held in Katowice, a new composition

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

2018-06-10 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Actually, concerning the group of people working "at the front" might work (as soon as it is not just about the support of the English Wikipedia), and I would not count sending them to Wikimania as a monetary reward - assuming this group undergoes regular rotations, and people who stop working

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

2018-06-10 Thread James Heilman
There is a fair bit of literature on intrinsic versus extrinsic motivation. Wikipedia has been mostly built on the first. Introducing greater extrinsic motivation may decrease intrinsic motivation. Doing so should thus be done with great care, at a small scale that can be reversed, and be well

[Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Jenga Wikipedia ya Kiswahili User Group

2018-06-10 Thread Kirill Lokshin
Hi everyone! I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized [1] Jenga Wikipedia ya Kiswahili User Group [2] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group aims to create and improve content for the Swahili Wikipedia, and to support the recruitment and development of Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Polska - new Board

2018-06-10 Thread Lodewijk
Dear Tomasz, Thank you so much for all those years of thoughtful leadership. It was always a pleasure to talk with you about what happened this time in our little movement, and you were in many discussions a voice of reason - while not shying away from telling people the truth. You managed to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Volunteering and Appreciation (was: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF)

2018-06-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, One reason why you do not get much traction is because many people, myself included, found that there is little purpose in spending time on Meta. It is time spend in a frustrating way and it hardly ever results in the kind of results you hope for. The time necessary to keep up with what is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ?מה עושה אותך מאושר השבוע / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 10 June 2018)

2018-06-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am happy because someone asked me if it was an idea to have a list of African women performers and base it on [1], we did a similar thing for 100 women BBC [2]. I love the idea :) Thanks, GerardM [1] https://100women.okayafrica.com [2]