Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Israel joins the nationwide strike to protest the exclusion of gay couples the right to become parents

2018-07-21 Thread Mario Gómez
Hi Fæ, On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Fæ wrote: > In Wikipedian fashion, let us stick to the published statement by > Wikimedia Israel without making unnecessary inferences. That is what I do as a Wikipedia editor. But I don't find it reasonable when it comes to WMF and affiliates

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Israel joins the nationwide strike to protest the exclusion of gay couples the right to become parents

2018-07-21 Thread
I understood the point you were making. However if we agree on full equality, then please recognise that when a state allows surrogacy for heterosexual couples but makes it unlawful for same sex couples, this is anti-LGBT discrimination. If you want to complain about surrogacy in Israel because

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Israel joins the nationwide strike to protest the exclusion of gay couples the right to become parents

2018-07-21 Thread Mario Gómez
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Fæ wrote: > However when you choose to derail a discussion that is no more and no > less than same sex couples being treated equally and being given equal > access for parental rights and medical support, then your actions will > be read as supporting the use of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Israel joins the nationwide strike to protest the exclusion of gay couples the right to become parents

2018-07-21 Thread
In Wikipedian fashion, let us stick to the published statement by Wikimedia Israel without making unnecessary inferences. WMIL made a positive statement to support equality, and we know that equality is repeated in the Wikimedia Values and echoed in the developing future strategy.[1][2] The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Israel joins the nationwide strike to protest the exclusion of gay couples the right to become parents

2018-07-21 Thread Mario Gómez
I see. Yes. Part of the LGBTQ collective considers surrogacy to be related to their rights. I completely acknowledge that. Best, Mario On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 4:01 AM, Gregory Varnum wrote: > I think you misunderstood my point there. ;) > > I was speaking to your comment that it was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-21 Thread Kaarel Vaidla
Dear Micru, Thank you for sharing your concerns regarding the current composition of the Working Groups. It is valuable feedback and relates to some of the offline conversations we have been having within the Core Team and with different stakeholders. The points you bring out resonate well with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-21 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Dear Kaarel, with all respect, it would be great if you could name the issues first before soliciting further feedback. In my particular case, well, I have seen a message on this list which I interpreted as a call for help. I have generally many things which interest me, but I though that if WMF

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Inc. working with Go Fish Digital, a company that whitewashes Wikipedia

2018-07-21 Thread MZMcBride
Hi. Go Fish Digital is a company that whitewashes Wikipedia. From its own site: >The primary platforms that define your online reputation include: > [...] > * Wikipedia > [...] > > With Online Reputation Management, we work hard to make all of the >positive information easy to find. At the same

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation announces Tanya Capuano as new Trustee, alongside leadership appointments at 14th annual Wikimania

2018-07-21 Thread Samantha Lien
This press release is also available online at the Wikimedia blog: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/07/20/wikimedia-foundation-announces-tanya-capuano-as-new-trustee-alongside-leadership-appointments-at-14th-annual-wikimania/ *Wikimedia Foundation announces Tanya Capuano as new Trustee, alongside

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikipedia volunteers and free knowledge leaders gather in Cape Town for the first annual “Wikimania” conference in sub-saharan Africa

2018-07-21 Thread Samantha Lien
This press release is also available on the Wikimedia blog here: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/07/20/wikimania-2018/ *Wikipedia volunteers and free knowledge leaders gather in Cape Town for the first annual “Wikimania” conference in sub-saharan Africa* *First ever Wikimania in sub-Saharan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Israel joins the nationwide strike to protest the exclusion of gay couples the right to become parents

2018-07-21 Thread Chris Keating
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:23 AM Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Hi Itzik, > > > I do not oppose the LGBT movement, but please explain how an official support > of that falls under the global Wikimedia project's mission, and does not > dilute our policy of avoiding having a stance on issues that are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-21 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
​Dear Kaarel, ​I am especially concerned that with the Portuguese language being the most spoken language in the Southern Hemisphere, ranking 5th/6th globally, among the dozens of members of the Strategy Working Groups that appear there, there is not a single native speaker of Portuguese. And, as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Israel joins the nationwide strike to protest the exclusion of gay couples the right to become parents

2018-07-21 Thread
On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 at 13:12, Mario Gómez wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Fæ wrote: > > > However when you choose to derail a discussion that is no more and no > > less than same sex couples being treated equally and being given equal > > access for parental rights and medical

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Israel joins the nationwide strike to protest the exclusion of gay couples the right to become parents

2018-07-21 Thread Mario Gómez
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Fæ wrote: > On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 at 13:12, Mario Gómez wrote: > > > No it is not "fair", it is a way of dismissing equality for LGBT+ > people by parodying and stereotyping all of us with views in this area > as rich white men. That is wrapping distasteful

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Israel joins the nationwide strike to protest the exclusion of gay couples the right to become parents

2018-07-21 Thread
Let's be clear. The anti-surrogacy movement may not be anti-LGBT, I basically said that in my previous email. If you want to lobby against surrogacy, there is no problem with doing so in the right forum, and as all legal surrogacies over the last 22 years in Israel have been *100% for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Israel joins the nationwide strike to protest the exclusion of gay couples the right to become parents

2018-07-21 Thread Mario Gómez
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Fæ wrote: > > The anti-surrogacy movement may not be anti-LGBT, I basically said > that in my previous email. If you want to lobby against surrogacy, > there is no problem with doing so in the right forum, and as all legal > surrogacies over the last 22 years in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Israel joins the nationwide strike to protest the exclusion of gay couples the right to become parents

2018-07-21 Thread Mario Gómez
I don't want to engage in endless political flamewars, so this is my last email on this list discussing the political substance of surrogacy, I could, and I could do it with reliable sources, which were not asked in the first place to justify WMIL statement. But I don't meant to lobby here,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation and Kiwix partner to grow offline access to Wikipedia

2018-07-21 Thread Leinonen Teemu
Thanks Anne, I have followed the Kiwix and now checked the WikiFundi’s status, too. Thanks for the links. My point is that words matters and for instance, I find the concept “New Readers” problematic in the case of us reaching “Global South” (often offline). -Teemu Lähetetty iPhonesta >