Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Anders Wennersten
In my little duckpond (svwp) we have guidleines for the introduction part of the article. It should use (simple) language to enable 14-16 years old to understand it (while the rest can use more complicated vocabulary) It should hopefully only be 1-3 sentences, and to state what is all about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Peter Southwood
Jane, I do not understand what parts you would split these things into, or how they would make Wikipedia easier to curate and edit. Could you link to an explanation or clarify the concept? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Strainu
În dum., 30 dec. 2018 la 12:40, Zubin JAIN a scris: > These are gross generalizations That's exactly the point here! Maybe not everyone is like that, but the pattern is supported by studies. The question is: how do we support (or, how do we make Wikipedia relevant for) this category? > The idea

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Peter Southwood
Hi Yaroslav, Several recent developments relate to this situation which I think you have described reasonably well. Short descriptions help a bit. But they are too short to help much Simple Wikipedia tries to keep things simple and easily understood, but perhaps concentrates too much on a small

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Anders Wennersten
Thats excellent. It is just then to live up to that guidline, and foster people who can simplity the lead sections For myself I remember how hard it was to get an educated physisct to write of the Coriolis effect in the lead section to make it understandable. He just squeemed that with simple

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread
On Sat, 29 Dec 2018 at 21:35, Yaroslav Blanter wrote: > I have written a long text today (posted in my FB) Facebook, is that still a thing? Gah, whatever is being posted there, many of us Wikipedians are never going to see it. It would be nice to see more people writing decent essays as blog

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread David Gerard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section says pretty much the same: > The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's > topic. It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic > is notable, and summarize the most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Jane Darnell
I still believe we need to "explode Wikipedia", by which I mean split curation templates, categories, lists and all other articles into more easily editable and curatable parts. This enables better linking to discrete Wikidata items while reducing the tedious task of curation for extremely long

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Zubin JAIN
>I am 51, and I do not know much about the 18- generation, but I know two important things about them. They have a very short attention span and difficulties to concentrate. And they get a graphical and visualized information much more easier than texts. For example, my son is capable of watching

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Zubin JAIN
>That's exactly the point here! Maybe not everyone is like that, but the pattern is supported by studies. The question is: how do we support (or, how do we make Wikipedia relevant for) this category? But it's not supported by rigorous evidence, a few studies and a bunch of clickbait headlines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Thanks for the reactions so far, they have been very useful. Let me answer some of the points. Re subject line: Obviously it is deliberately provocative to generate more response and reach out to more people. Whereas what I write I do seriously, if it stays a discussion of a dozen of people with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Lane Rasberry
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Jane Darnell
Well it is not difficult to imagine when you consider for example line items in the case of list articles. Many lists could be split into such line items and kept in a static assembled form by some sort of "assembly template". Many of these line items are either articles or parts of articles. Such

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
Answering the initial question: It depends on how you understand "death". Wikipedia is the manifestation of a collection of algorithms running in the minds of thousands of people. With time it could become less popular to run that algorithm in your life, or you would like to try a different one.