Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 10:56 AM Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > > It is well known that English Wikipedia is considered a toxic environment > This has been known by all for a very long time. The fact of the matter is > that the arbitration committee is not able to do something about it. There > are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

> > > Also, I believe that the > near-miracle of English Wikipedia should be tended with great care, and > that the scars from this incident will be with us for a long time. > > Pine > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) > I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

Thankfully the gamut of human nature is far wider than just 4chan and Reddit. On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 7:31 PM Nathan wrote: > > > Yes, the environment is full of toxic people. This has always been true, > and yet it exists. You want a revolution to make Wikipedia a friendlier > place? It isn't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

Hi Peter, My view is that accountability should start at the top of an organization. I was trying to think of a better word than "supervising" for the concept that I had in mind. After further consideration, I think that "governing" would have been a better choice. I am disappointed by the WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

Agreeing/asserting that the English Language Wikipedia has a toxic editing environment is easy. Defining the problem and suggesting solutions has historically been rather more difficult. Just watch the latest threads at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Civility for examples. On the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

Hoi, Let me be simple. A friend of mine was banned for life by the WMF, there was no room for discussion so the notion that this is a first is not accurate. It is well known that English Wikipedia is considered a toxic environment This has been known by all for a very long time. The fact of the

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia NGO Assembly

I am writing to inform you that Wikimedia Armenia Scientific-Educational Non-Governmental Organization’s regular Assembly took place on the 24th of June during which the members of the organization elected the vital bodies of the organization, that is the Board, the Supervisory Committee and the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banning real identities

I was doxxed by someone in the movement a few years ago, and I cannot stress this enough : WE MUST NOT DOXX PEOPLE. It doesn't matter how good our intentions are. It doesn't matter how bad these people are. We as a community choose to block, ban, lock, whether or not globally, the accounts of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes to Rapid Grants - Effective August 1, 2019

Merci pour l'information Aboubacar keita Le jeu. 4 juil. 2019 à 14:13, Mohammed Bachounda a écrit : > Thank you for the information! > > Le mar. 2 juil. 2019 à 00:35, Woubzena Jifar a > écrit : > > > Hello all, > > > > Hope this email finds you well. We are sending this message to select > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

Gerard, Did you read and understand my first comment in this thread? You may be surprised to find that the board has indicated that WMF (or parts thereof, we should not tar everyone there with the same brush) was indeed at fault in their handling of this issue. I am inclined to accept this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

Defining the problem and solutions is easy too. Getting the core editing community to agree to any change is the difficult part. Problems: - Discussions favour the loudest voice and the people who refuse to walk away. Wiki people often say that there are no barriers to participation, but if you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes to Rapid Grants - Effective August 1, 2019

Thank you for the information! Le mar. 2 juil. 2019 à 00:35, Woubzena Jifar a écrit : > Hello all, > > Hope this email finds you well. We are sending this message to select > community mailing lists and all previous recipients of Wikimedia Foundation > Rapid Grants. > > As you know the Rapid

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia NGO Assembly

Congratulations to all the elected members and looking forward to witness wonderful work of the organisation. Best Regards, Rajeeb Dutta. (U: Marajozkee) Sent from my iPhone > On 03-Jul-2019, at 6:59 PM, Wikimedia Armenia Board > wrote: > > I am writing to inform you that Wikimedia Armenia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

Hoi, Sorry but there is no reflection and all I read is an apologist telling us that English Wikipedia is the best there is. It is not, not by far. What is thought of as the English Wikipedia community are the old hands steeped in the arcane lore that are the policies that defend the status quo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

The board does not manage WMF. It is not their fault when a department does something stupid if they had no warning that it was likely to happen. People who signed off on the ban decision may have reason to apologise, others not. The board is responsible for ensuring that the damage is fixed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

Hoi, The community is responsible for its actions. It is widely acknowledged that the English Wikipedia is a toxic environment. The community has not taken this on board, has not fixed the damage. At some stage an inflection point exists where the community if forced to reflect. Sadly, the English

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

Gerard, Is your response to my email intended to have any relevance to my statement? If so please clarify. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: 04 July 2019 09:59 To: Wikimedia Mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

What exactly has the English Wikipedia accepted? As far as I know we don't known on what the WMF thinks they failed. It is just speculation and personal opinions. Paulo A quinta, 4 de jul de 2019, 10:11, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> escreveu: > Hoi, > I am astounded that you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

Hoi, I am astounded that you write as if the WMF is at fault in this. What I find is that in stead of pointing to the WMF, it is first and foremost the community of the English Wikipedia who accepted the unacceptable and finally has to deal with consequences. True to form, no reflection on en.wp