Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-26 Thread Peter Southwood
Of course not, we have a strong bias in favour of freedom of information, accuracy, and verifiability to reliable sources. Also, officially, civil discourse and decision by consensus. It is written into our basic policies (speaking as an en: Wikipedian, other projects may differ). Most policy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Meet

2020-04-26 Thread Amir Sarabadani
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-26 Thread Benjamin Lees
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 11:50 AM John Erling Blad wrote: > It is said quite often that the Wikimedia-movement is apolitical. I'm not sure I've seen anybody say that. I have seen people say that we should avoid political activism or lobbying when it is not part of our core mission, and that we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-26 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Rebecca and all, On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 17:11:55 +0100 "Rebecca O'Neill" wrote: > Well said. Everything is political, and when the movement choses not to > speak out or state an opinion on something, then we are giving our support > to the status quo. > > Believing yourself to be apolitical is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-26 Thread Yair Rand
"Is the Wikimedia movement political?" For starters, some important points: 1. If you redefine a word to include "literally everything", you've defined the word out of existence. The word becomes no longer useful for conveying any information, and therefore, by any measure, you've simply made it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-26 Thread Samuel Klein
Very well put. S  On Sat., Apr. 25, 2020, 10:06 p.m. Gnangarra, wrote: > Kaya > > From my perspective we have always been political, from the moment we > started with the concept of Free Knowledge, Eduardo listed many of the > aspects that go with it. We are doing so much more we want

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-26 Thread James Salsman
I have another question about that document: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal/Foundation_Policy_and_Political_Association_Guideline In particular, I believe this part is out of date: > Legislative Activities (Lobbying) > > At the federal level, there are serious restrictions on lobbying,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-26 Thread Ziko van Dijk
I totally agree with you, Shlomi. Kind regards Ziko Am So., 26. Apr. 2020 um 17:02 Uhr schrieb Shlomi Fish < shlo...@shlomifish.org>: > Hi Rebecca and all, > > On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 17:11:55 +0100 > "Rebecca O'Neill" wrote: > > > Well said. Everything is political, and when the movement choses

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-26 Thread Nathan
There's a tendency of people with an association with the Wikimedia movement to see it as a hammer that can be swung at every nail. This is embodied most perfectly in the e-mail by Rebecca O'Neil, who claims that if WMF doesn't take a position on any issue (or every issue?), it is taking a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-26 Thread Rebecca O'Neill
Seeing as you decided to call me out specifically, that line of reasoning falls apart when you note that WMF foundations funds and supports initiatives that would been seen as supporting all of those examples you gave: - Wiki Loves Earth for animal sanctuaries, highlighting areas of natural