Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on the rebranding initiative: "Movement"

2020-06-22 Thread Eduardo Testart
Paul, From everything I read in discussions and emails, I believe this distinction between community and movement, makes sense, and... maybe hasn't been raised before? If it has been, please excuse me, and point me where :]. I do not know the practical applications that can derive from it, but I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Chris Keating
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:26 AM Gnangarra wrote: > > I think its fair to call for you to stand aside since taking full > responsibility for the failing to communicate the Boards actions with the > community and the communities position with the Board. > > Really, no. We want Board members who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Dan Szymborski
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:26 PM Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: > Hi Gnangarra > > I find your request for Nat to resign uncalled for…. and not in the least > because of the common misconception you have with regards to the role of > Board members of the Wikimedia Foundation. > > > Resigning is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: general assembly and new Supervisory Board

2020-06-22 Thread Rajeeb Dutta
Congratulations to all the newly elected members. Best Regards, Rajeeb Dutta. (U: Marajozkee) (Sent from my iPhone pardon the brevity) > On 22-Jun-2020, at 9:56 PM, Lukas Mezger wrote: > > Dear fellow Wikimedians, > > On Sunday, Wikimedia Deutschland held its 25th and first-ever virtual >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: general assembly and new Supervisory Board

2020-06-22 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks for this update, Lukas and all. Congrats on the well-attended virtual assembly, I'm curious how it was handled. On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:26 PM Lukas Mezger wrote: > Dear fellow Wikimedians, > > On Sunday, Wikimedia Deutschland held its 25th and first-ever virtual > general assembly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: general assembly and new Supervisory Board

2020-06-22 Thread Tito Dutta
Hello, Interesting change. Could you kindly give link to your updated bylaws (either on the mailing list or please PM)? Congratulations and good wishes Thanks Tito Dutta Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind me over email or phone call. On Mon, 22 Jun 2020

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
(Just reminding that Nat was not elected by the community, as Gnangarra seems to think, but by the affiliates.) Jan-Bart de Vreede escreveu no dia segunda, 22/06/2020 à(s) 17:26: > Hi Gnangarra > > I find your request for Nat to resign uncalled for…. and not in the least > because of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Gnangarra
> > (Just reminding that Nat was not elected by the community, as Gnangarra seems to think, but by the affiliates.) Taking responsibility for a gross failure does in fact mean accepting and acknowledging you failed, and then stating what you intend to do to rectify that failing. I know Nat was

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Clinic #003 today at 08:00 UTC

2020-06-22 Thread Asaf Bartov
Dear Wikimedians, A quick reminder that we will be having another Wikimedia Clinic open call today, in about three hours, at 08:00 UTC. The Wikimedia Clinics calls are open video calls (using Google Meet) where any active Wikimedian is welcome to attend and ask questions or ask for advice about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Ad Huikeshoven
Thank you Nat. I'm Dutch, and the Dutch are known to be direct, and even I find your extensive statement direct. That was your intent to do. Thanks, I welcome that. I know nearly every other culture would prefer less direct communication. As an employer you have a duty to protect your employees

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Bodhisattwa Mandal
Hi Nataliia, Thank you for your statement as the current Chair of WMF Board of Trustees. If the Wikimedia Foundation wants to change its name and if it has the right to do whatever it can, then I can just hope that WMF has considered all the consequences. But I am confused on how affiliates are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi Natalii (and everyone) Thank you for this mail. I know this was hard to write, also knowing that it will be dissected by a lot of people who will read it with a perspective all of their own. Having been on the other side of the fence I know how hard it is to (re)gain trust after mistakes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Please take a step back. The Wikimedia Foundation is incorporated in a way specifically designed to prevent the community from taking over. The problem with the community is that there is no community as such; there is a movement that includes different communities with different needs and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on the rebranding initiative: "Movement"

2020-06-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is abundantly clear that some identify only by their community. It is abundantly clear that people in some communities do not recognise shared values like "sharing in the sum of all knowledge". It is also clear that the Wikimedia Foundation is not bound by what some in a community insist

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Gnangarra
This explanation has gone a long way from ensuring this isn't a movement, it's not considering us as a community either, there's no concept of collaboration, nor seeking of consensus, and this is tearing down the Foundation of what made Wikipedia what it is so it's probably not good to use that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Rajeeb Dutta
Greetings, Hope my mail finds you in the best of health and spirit. I like to take the opportunity to thank you for a penning a detailed email with clarification. Yes, we all looking forward for a better possible outcome. Stay healthy and be safe. Best Regards, Rajeeb. (U: Marajozkee) (Sent

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Dan Szymborski
OK, you say that you take "full responsibility" for the situation. What exactly does "full responsibility" entail? How will the relations between the board and the communities differ compared to the moment *before* full responsibility was taken? Is the board changing the degree to which it will

[Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on the rebranding initiative: "Movement"

2020-06-22 Thread Paul J. Weiss
[From my comments in the rebranding survey] "Movement" Please stop calling us a "movement". I am an active Wikipedia contributor, but I do not feel part of a movement. Know that I feel excluded when we are referred to as a movement. I would guess that most Wikimedians do not consider themselves

[Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on the rebranding initiative: Wikimedia vs. Wikipedia

2020-06-22 Thread Paul J. Weiss
[From my comments in the rebranding survey] Wikimedia vs. Wikipedia Our overall community centers around the current Wikimedia concept, not Wikipedia. Naming the whole from one its parts is ambiguous, confusing, and disrespectful to non-Wikipedia projects. The majority of the population of the

[Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on the rebranding initiative: Name of WMF

2020-06-22 Thread Paul J. Weiss
[From my comments in the rebranding survey] Name of WMF To me a trust implies one party relegating authority over a resource to a second party, who is expected to manage it well, and return it at some point to the first party or a third party. I do not see the WMF's role as including such as a

[Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on the rebranding initiative:: Other

2020-06-22 Thread Paul J. Weiss
[From my comments in the rebranding survey] Other "We network around our best-known brand to connect the movement together". That feels like marketing-speak. It is unclear what you are trying to communicate. I do not think that contributors of non-WP projects want to "network" around Wikipedia.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Brad Patrick
From the beginning, WMF vs. Wikipedia has been the dynamic tension between structure and the community. I was one of the strongest advocates of structure. Fundraising and the US-centric approach were the core beliefs for WMF, as a means of guaranteeing survival when survival was a couple of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi Gnangarra I find your request for Nat to resign uncalled for…. and not in the least because of the common misconception you have with regards to the role of Board members of the Wikimedia Foundation. Quoting from the excellent Wikimedia Board Handbook(1) "WMF is an entrusted steward

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: general assembly and new Supervisory Board

2020-06-22 Thread Lukas Mezger
Dear fellow Wikimedians, On Sunday, Wikimedia Deutschland held its 25th and first-ever virtual general assembly with over 250 members attending. Our members elected a new Supervisory Board, which consists of 7 elected members: * Lukas Mezger (chair, re-elected) * Daniel Reisener (treasurer,