[Wikimedia-l] Freedom and speech.. broaching the subject of our Wikimedia bias

2020-07-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
I have documenten my Wiki related activities for fifteen years on my blog [1]. I write argued opinions centred around my experiences. I always invite people to consider the arguments and argue their point. At this point I find the Wikimedia Foundation increasingly intolerant of considered

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, How can OTRS be part of Wikipedia, it is there for any and all projects. Thanks, GerardM On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 10:48, Peter Southwood wrote: > Context is necessary to understand this. > If OTRS part of Wikipedia? If not, Which ANI? > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New essay on the ambiguity of NC licenses

2020-07-20 Thread Juergen Fenn
Am 12.07.20 um 10:40 Uhr schrieb Ziko van Dijk: > So the problem of the NC module remains that many who apply it are not > always conscious about undesired consequences, while some who apply it use > the module very consciously for a specific reason - e.g. in a hybrid model, > to distribute

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread Dennis During
I think he's looking for openness. That doesn't require one to psychoanalyze him; just a straightforward reading of what he has said, especially in the context of wikidom. If there is some reason why OTRS isn't important enough to merit policies, supervision, and transparency, that should be easy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Elena Sanz passed away last night

2020-07-20 Thread Tse Michael
RIP Elena Sanz. Her contribution to Wikimedia community was indeed remarkable and invaluable. May I express our deepest condolences to the friends and family of Elena, and all of our dear colleagues at Wikimedia España. Michael -- Michael Tse (he/him/his) Board Member Wikimedia Community User

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread ZI Jony
All points has been raised here are valid points. We should raise a discussion on wiki (maybe OTRS talk or Wikimedia Forum). As Amir said all CU and OS policies are available locally, then why OTRS policies should not be there. Regards, ZI Jony On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 12:47 PM Tomasz Ganicz

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-20 Thread Victoria Coleman
Denny, This is extraordinarily good news! I am thrilled that the Foundation and the Community has taken it on board. I think it is a truly seminal, pivotal project for promulgating free knowledge to all corners of humanity. I just could not be happier to know that you will be shepherding the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-20 Thread James Salsman
Anyone object to using loglan as an interlingua? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loglan On Saturday, July 4, 2020, phoebe ayers wrote: > Thanks Denny! I appreciate this, and your thoughtfulness as always. > > Thanks for starting an explicit discussion. I think our field (meaning, > computer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread Kalman Hajdu
This is a brava step to the end of the whole wikipedia project. More and more mystery less and less truthfulness more and more disillusioned editor. On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 6:20 PM Pete Forsyth wrote: > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 4:17 AM Andy Mabbett > wrote: > > > On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 at 02:47,

[Wikimedia-l] How many users really need to have access to readers' IP addresses? Zero.

2020-07-20 Thread James Salsman
Speaking of privacy policies, there are still way more than a hundred accounts which have access to readers' IP addresses: https://github.com/wikimedia/puppet/blob/be74f7d1e9fd5ad234c1049a66ddb8c36b3a8d48/modules/admin/data/data.yaml#L254 Given that the European Court of Justice found that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-07-20 Thread Victoria Coleman
+1 Kunal! The WMF Cloud Services team can totally provide the needed support. The Foundation would have to invest them to build up the team which is over stretched but that should easily pay for itself as revenue starts flowing in from the paid API. Victoria > On Jul 9, 2020, at 1:38 PM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] NEW: Lists of technical resources and recommendations for smaller language wikis!

2020-07-20 Thread Tito Dutta
This is an amazing resource. Excellent initiative. In addition to importing etc localisation is also pretty important according to a project's need. On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 11:48 PM Srishti Sethi wrote: > Hello everyone, > > As part of the Small wiki toolkits >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, HAPPY NEWS :) We will learn a lot, experience many challenges and it does have the potential to provide more of the information that is available to us. Particularly in languages other than English the impact can be huge. At a Wikidata conference in Berlin we had someone from PanLex present

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread Nathan
Perfect encapsulation of what's gone wrong here in this debate. Andy makes some really solid points; OTRS is a black hole, has a history of being clubby, etc. That history has a lot of smudge marks on it going all the way back to wiki-en IRC channels and the overlap between IRC admins and OTRS

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread Gnangarra
The WMF has spent the last 4 years developing a strategy to take us to 2030 everything was on the table. OTRS is the one chink in that process that needs to address community concerns I'm all for improving every system we use. I think it would be good if someone stepped up to hold some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 23:29, Nathan wrote: > > Tomasz notes, correctly, that OTRS agents on *general > info queues* (which he distinguished from permission queues) just answer > questions, they don't exercise authority. Andy's reply is both > argumentative and inaccurate. Mea culpa. In the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
I guess - Andy's main concern is about permission queues on Commons, as the trigger for his question was a case on Commons. In fact - OTRS agents answering questions for general info queues have no special power - I mean they do not make any "secretive" decisions - they just inform about rules,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread effe iets anders
The problem I indicated is that 'OTRS' is a diffuse system of queues. There are very few policies that govern 'OTRS', and even practices will differ across queues. I'm for example a member of the teams that handle info-nl, permissions-nl and wlx. All those behave very differently. If you replace

[Wikimedia-l] NEW: Lists of technical resources and recommendations for smaller language wikis!

2020-07-20 Thread Srishti Sethi
Hello everyone, As part of the Small wiki toolkits initiative, a Starter kit has been developed for smaller language Wikimedia wikis! This Starter kit lists resources, tools,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Diff – a blog by and for the Wikimedia volunteer community

2020-07-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 12:23, Quim Gil wrote: > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Andy Mabbett > wrote: > > > > > > > What consultation was carried out with contributors, and the > > > > > > wider the Wikimedia community, to inform this change? > > > > Although you quoted it, you seem to have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Diff – a blog by and for the Wikimedia volunteer community

2020-07-20 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Andy Mabbett wrote: > > > > > What consultation was carried out with contributors, and the > > > > > wider the Wikimedia community, to inform this change? > > Although you quoted it, you seem to have overlooked this question. I aimed to address this

[Wikimedia-l] Change of translation for "attribution" in CC licenses

2020-07-20 Thread Strainu
Hi folks, Sorry for cross-posting, not sure which list is the best venue for my problem. I have an issue with regards to the translation of the word "attribution" in "Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike". For reasons (explained in [1]) which are not interesting for Wikimedia, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 10:01, Tomasz Ganicz wrote: > I guess - Andy's main concern is about permission queues on Commons, as the > trigger for his question was a case on Commons. I have already stated that this assumption is false, when someone else made it in this very thread. > In fact -

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 05:04, Gnangarra wrote: > This page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS answers some the questions > including a list of OTRS administrators I don't think it fully answers any of the ten questions discussed in this thread. For example, while it has a list of OTRS