Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-25 Thread Andrea Zanni
2012/4/25 emijrp Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata. I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-). As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in 2015 (i'm gonna cry). Aubrey

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-26 Thread Andrea Zanni
I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-). As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in 2015 (i'm gonna cry). This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the initial

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-14 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Jun 14, 2012 1:30 AM, Brandon Harris wrote: A couple of weeks ago, Brion Vibber and I started walking through a series of thoughts about eliminating publicly viewable IP addresses altogether, creating Proto Accounts. That is, to completely anonymize

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-26 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:08 AM, emijrp wrote: Coordinating people to write encyclopedias was expensive. Well, until 2001. I'll have a tshirt with this. Aubrey ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

2012-10-21 Thread Andrea Zanni
I'm kind sad to see the my personal view of the Wikimedia movement increasingly distant from Sue's view... I believe sister projects are deeply important and potential (we have a Universal Library (Wikisource), a Universal Media Archive (Commons), a Universal Dictionary (Wiktionary), etc.) They

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Aaron Swartz is dead

2013-01-12 Thread Andrea Zanni
I never met Aaron, nut this is very, very sad news. On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Fae wrote: On 12 January 2013 12:04, David Gerard wrote: Killed himself. Awful news. -- Ashley Van Haeften (Fae)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harvard urges Elsevier boycott

2013-01-15 Thread Andrea Zanni
I'm sorry, let me a pedant librarian: * the topic of Access to research has been mainly referred to with the term Open Access. You will find tons of material with that name. * we have a Wikimedian in Residence for Open Access, Daniel Mietchen. * *Open Access and the divide between “mainstream”

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harvard urges Elsevier boycott

2013-01-15 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:30 AM, David Gerard wrote: Note, btw, that this page was set up for humorous purposes - the papers it liberates are the public domain papers JSTOR has recently made freely available. The one not properly legal thing the user does is do something

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are there plans for interactions between wikidata and wiktionaries ?

2013-03-11 Thread Andrea Zanni
Hi Denny, as Nemo pointed out, that grant is for Wikisource :-)**wiki/Grants:IEG/Elaborate_** Wikisource_strategic_vision We spoke about that briefly in the Office hours: one of the main

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The case for supporting open source machine translation

2013-04-24 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Mathieu Stumpf wrote: I would like to add that (I'm no specialist of this subject) translating natural language probably need at least a large set of existing translations, at least to get read of obvious well known idiotisms like

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Re: Wikipedia FYI

2013-04-25 Thread Andrea Zanni
Hi David, thanks for sharing. I tend to agree to some of the statements made in the thread: as a Wikisource user, I perfectly understand the lack of negativity proofreading carries, instead of, for example, writing on Gaza strip related topics... (and I would dare to say (without data,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.comwrote: What happens to the idea according to which the funds belong to the Wikimedia mouvement rather than to Wikimedia Foundation ? I think this exact point is often overlooked. I actually have a fairly trivial way to look

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

2013-05-14 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:30 AM, David Gerard wrote: I don't really think this is a triviality. Cents and single dollars of chapters are weighted and analyzed, FDC and GACs nitpicks and their goal is to assure

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patience

2013-05-15 Thread Andrea Zanni
I don't know if relates opn what you said, but I'd add that a wiki is a great way to work on different, related documents at the same time, and it's useful t tag/categorizes them, and to have a bunch of integrated documents all together. Writing all together a single document is difficult also on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] All the lakes in Sweden

2013-05-16 Thread Andrea Zanni
In Italian Wikipedia, we are in contact with the National Library of Florence, and are establishing links between Wikipedia articles and the New national Thesaurus. Es. In the Italian WP, we will have a sentence like

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: New Open Access mailing list

2013-09-02 Thread Andrea Zanni
[sorry for cross posting] Hi all, I just wanted to announce that there is right now a brand new wikimedia mailing list dedicated to Open Access. You can subscribe here: As there are quite a few projects running between the Open Access world

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who will host Wikimedia Conference 2014? Bidding process is open!

2013-09-18 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/9/18 Balázs Viczián The thing is that you should start building from the bottom, not from the top. A venue can be secured as late as 3 months before the event to give everyone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] access to journals

2013-09-24 Thread Andrea Zanni
It's probably worth mentioning (again) that we started a brand new wikimedia mailing list about Open Access: If you are interested in the topic of access to scientific/academic literature, you should be there. Getting access to closed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Adventure, alpha testers needed

2013-10-28 Thread Andrea Zanni
Hi Jake. I completed the first mission, editing and formatting. Hi think it's pretty cool! A minor issue, maybe, is that the badge is created at the bottom of the page, in the center. I personally don't like that, as I'm used to having things on the right side of it. As I'm supposed to be a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikisource Community User Group recognized

2013-11-25 Thread Andrea Zanni
Thanks :-) The Wikisource Community User Group was born for gathering and coordinating local communities all around the world. We are (and we will) communicate mainly via the Wikisource mailing list (you can subscribe here [1]). It is pretty cool that the Wikisource Community UG comes just in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-08 Thread Andrea Zanni
Agreed. It's nice to feel the community behind Wikipedia (well, when it doesn't bite you) and the feeling that somebody noticed you fixed a typo is even nicer. Aubrey On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Nathan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement Sarah Stierch

2014-01-09 Thread Andrea Zanni
+1 Nathan. Aubrey On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:31 AM, Nathan wrote: You know what, I think this outcome is not just disappointing, it's positively astounding. I have a lot that I could say about it, but I can't imagine what the point of saying it could possibly be. Chalk one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Emmanuel Engelhart wrote: The WMF has recently clarified that they frown upon paid editing. Presumably offering basic wage for people to edit Wikipedia is still paid editing? The answer is no, because the basic income is *unconditional*.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback on the last 2 years

2014-04-14 Thread Andrea Zanni
Thank you Christophe. This mail is really useful and I really hope, as Pine said, you will be able to share some of the documentation in English. It would be really helpful for chapters to understand these issues and, above all, the solutions. Aubrey On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Jon Davies

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I'm back

2014-04-18 Thread Andrea Zanni
Welcome back! Andrea On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:47 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Hoi, Interested in your old haunts at the language committee ? Any way, wb ! Thanks, Gerard On 17 April 2014 22:47, Milos Rancic wrote: For those who care, I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Andrea Zanni
[snip] For the things we could do, I quote form other people: * encourage Wikisource, Commons, Wiktionary as primary projects for new/endangered languages. You could scan books or documents if the language is written, or record audio/interviews and put that on Commons if t the language is just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Internet's Own Boy: Aaron Swartz

2014-07-04 Thread Andrea Zanni
It seems that needs money: (I know it's political, but whoever has seen the documentary or read Aaron's blog can understand the rationale.) ((I would ***love*** seeing the WMF step up in things like this, but I understand it's complicated...)) Aubrey On Thu, Jul 3,

[Wikimedia-l] How to change the world

2014-08-14 Thread Andrea Zanni
This is a talk from Rick Falkvinge, founder of the Swedish Pirate Party, at the TEDx in Oslo last year. I thought it was worth sharing with you all: It would be really interesting to apply these methods within Chapters and the overall

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: Henning writes: To describe Eric's action I am tempted to use a metaphor that includes black uniforms and heavy boots. But that would not be appropriately written by a German to a German. My experience over the last

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata-l] Birthday gift: Missing Wikipedia links (was Re: Wikidata turns two!)

2014-11-04 Thread Andrea Zanni
Hi Denny, great tool! I really like this kind of human computation tools, as they are quick to grasp and easy to perform. The Wikidata Game from Magnus is a great example too, IMO. I wonder: could it be hard to find a way to count how many merging one accomplishes? This would work both for an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all

2014-11-28 Thread Andrea Zanni
Me too me too! But before, Brussels on beer. Aubrey On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Craig Franklin wrote: Forget that, I'd like WMUK to fly me to Scotland so that I can, uh, research and write about various types of whisky. Cheers, Craig On 25 November 2014 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all

2014-11-29 Thread Andrea Zanni
has a special local micro climate. But I must say, I think it is good to document cheese, as well as other food/drinks, we should have more photos with better quality. I really hope this contributes to this. Romaine 2014-11-28 10:32 GMT+01:00 Andrea Zanni

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Italia Executive Director

2014-12-02 Thread Andrea Zanni
, and this is her second week of work. Please welcome her in our incredible Wikimedia movement. Best regards, Andrea Zanni -- Presidente Wikimedia Italia ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Congratulations

2014-12-03 Thread Andrea Zanni
Thanks Ad, and congratulation to all. Cheers! Aubrey On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Christophe Henner wrote: Hey, I've already congratulate them in Private not to spam everyone, but your solution is much more clever. Congratulations to all of you :) All

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia: #Edit2014

2014-12-18 Thread Andrea Zanni
This is an incredible video. Congratulations to everyone involved. Now I need to get a tissue *sniff*. Aubrey On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Takashi OTA wrote: Thanks Asaf for quick response! I'll get started soon. --[[User:Takot]] On Thursday,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Our final email

2014-12-19 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 9:44 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: Two weeks ago I emailed the fundraising team with the following note, quietly and discretely pointing out an error in their messaging. Sadly I haven't had a reply and I think that in the UK they are still

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Our final email

2014-12-19 Thread Andrea Zanni
I support the idea that translation also needs to happen between cultures within the same language. I made the example of the Italian because it is my own, but of course there are other English-speaking cultures other the American one, and they would deserve the same attention. Of course it is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons / OTRS is broken

2015-02-04 Thread Andrea Zanni
Thanks Ryan for the clarification. My question is: what could we ask, as a community, to the WMF, o to chapters? Is there some tool/task/workflow that could receive help from Wikimedia? Maybe a new software, or some trusted agents in key position, or something else. What could speed up the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is there some Wikimedia project to host contents based on original research?

2015-01-05 Thread Andrea Zanni
The Wikisource dogma is: If things are published and free, they belong to Wikisource. Unfortunately, there is no Wikimedia project for original research, Sucheta. As an example, some years ago I wanted to host my bachelor thesis (about Wikisource) in a fixed form on Wikisource (and I could do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia charity chairman resigns after pornography row

2015-01-11 Thread Andrea Zanni
then unsubscribe yourself and report it to Google. There are instructions in other messages. However, please *don't* respond to messages from that fake mailing list on the real one, that just adds confusion and helps the trolls achieve their aims. On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Andrea

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia charity chairman resigns after pornography row

2015-01-11 Thread Andrea Zanni
Date of the article says 02 Aug 2012. Why is this relevant now on this list? Aubrey On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Toby Dollmann wrote: Why ? Have you forgotten Section 230 of Communications Decency Act ? Toby On 1/11/15, Gerard Meijssen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Education Extension

2015-02-13 Thread Andrea Zanni
Also related... Maybe I am not aware of an existing tool, but: often, tutors need to control the wikiwork of some users. This happens when we make and editathon, a course, a lesson. Wikimetrics was supposed to help us with this, but it has weird metrics, and nobody understands them. Aubrey On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cc-by-sa 4.0, Wikimedia logos

2015-02-14 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Kat Walsh wrote: tl;dr: CC has its struggles but this is not something I currently see as a major concern. Is there something we can do as * Wikimedia movement? * Wikimedia Foundation? Aubrey

[Wikimedia-l] Events and editathons with journalists

2015-02-26 Thread Andrea Zanni
Dear all, I was wondering if anyone, in the Wikimedia movement, has done editathons and wiki-events with *journalists*. In April, Wikimedia Italia will host a workshop at the International Journalism Festival, and we'd welcome tips and suggestions. Cheers Aubrey

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Helping Nepal Through Collaborative Mapping

2015-04-29 Thread Andrea Zanni
We're going to do one in Italy too.More info soon. Aubrey On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Jan Ainali wrote: And in the Stockholm Area: HOT Mapping for Nepal Today, 17.00-21.00 CEST *Best

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Signpost, 1 April 2015

2015-04-01 Thread Andrea Zanni
Well, I was really excited about the Sister project news... :-( (but I think it's a pretty neat joke) Aubrey On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:10 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote: (reminder: This is a prank, for April Fools Day. Please feel free to ignore this issue entirely, or at any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

2015-04-01 Thread Andrea Zanni
As always, every tool is developed thinking about Wikipedia and Commons, never all the other sister projects! What about those poor pixels? Are they different from Commons pixels??!?!!1! Luckily, today the WMF said otherwise: see the Sister projects news here

Re: [Wikimedia-l] While Election committee counts the votes...

2015-06-02 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 4:38 AM, Luis Villa wrote: (I know some FOSS communities are having good experiences with, for example.) Please, please, can we do that too? :-) FWIW, I studied Discourse a bit and I think it has enormous potential. It is developed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Andrea Zanni
FWIW, today WIkimedia Italia had a Barcamp at the Italian Parliament to talk about Wiki Loves Monuments, FOP (which we already don't have) and related stuff. Several politicians were present and we discussed also this matter. They already alerted their MEPs. Hopefully this will contribute to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Renewal of the Recognition to Wikisource Community User Group

2015-06-21 Thread Andrea Zanni
Yes! Thank you Carlos and all the AffCom for the renewal. It's a good moment for Wikisource (as an international project), and we are already preparing a survey for the whole community, to get feedbacks and opinions for future projects. We are trying really hard to coordinate and build a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell

2015-06-19 Thread Andrea Zanni
Goodbye Fabrice, and thank you for all your enthusiasm. It was very appreciated :-) Good luck! Aubrey On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Michael Jahn wrote: May your next steps be joyful, thrilling and challenging. All the best to you, Fabrice! Michael 2015-06-18

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's cool?

2015-06-11 Thread Andrea Zanni
TL;DR: the Italian Wikisource has been indexed by a digital library platform used by over 4500 libraries in Italy [1]. This means that over 3500 texts (proofread and/or validated) can be read by library patrons. Many libraries will add them to the catalog too (!). Longer and librarianer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Environmental impact of Wikipedia

2015-07-05 Thread Andrea Zanni
, Guillaume Paumier wrote: Hello Andrea, Le dimanche 5 juillet 2015, 17:45:34 Andrea Zanni a écrit : I tried to find the info myself, with little success: I'm interested to know about the environmental impact of running Wikipedia (carbon emissions, etc.) and what we

[Wikimedia-l] Environmental impact of Wikipedia

2015-07-05 Thread Andrea Zanni
Hello everyone. I tried to find the info myself, with little success: I'm interested to know about the environmental impact of running Wikipedia (carbon emissions, etc.) and what we are doing about it. Sorry if I missed wikimedia-l threads, or other sources. The only thing I found regarding a

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

2015-05-22 Thread Andrea Zanni
[sorry for cross-posting] Hello everyone, I would like spend a minute thanking Wikimedia Deutschland for organizing the Wikimedia Conference in Berlin, and thanking everyone who participated in it. I'd like to say out loud that I really liked the atmosphere, that I enjoy more and more the simple

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-24 Thread Andrea Zanni
: collaboration is the very pillar of all the Wikimedia movement. We would like to thank all the people who supported us and gave us opinions and advices on this mailing list and elsewhere. We are very proud to be part of such a great community, and we would like to see it become wider and bigger. Andrea Zanni

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-19 Thread Andrea Zanni
a bit the situation. Cheers Andrea Zanni Wikimedia Italia On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Peter Southwood wrote: Is there not a method for time to be booked in advance for these things? Like a year in advance, so projects can be planned properly and not crippled

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paris

2015-11-14 Thread Andrea Zanni
Megan Hernandez, from WMF, living in Paris, is well. I hope she don't mind me saying in public, but she was the only one I didn't check, and replied to me few minutes ago. Aubrey On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Christophe Henner <> wrote: > Drop an email to me or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I'll be moving on

2015-10-08 Thread Andrea Zanni
Thanks Jan. I do understand what you say, and I'm happy for you that a new chapter of your life is beginning. Happy editing, and happy new life. Tack Aubrey On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Jan Ainali wrote: > All, > > For the last three years I have been the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Biggest disappointment from Wikimania 2017

2015-10-06 Thread Andrea Zanni
Hi Yaroslav > To be honest, I can not recollect a single instance WMF people ever >> apologized to the community for any decision, even when it was immediately >> clear that they screwed up badly (like removing admin rights on WMF Wiki >> etc). > > I think it's worth remembering one time they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-30 Thread Andrea Zanni
it in two parts, one holding the rights to the web URLs, i.e. right to banner, the other one employing all the people doing some work. best, rupert On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Andrea Zanni wrote: Hello everyone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-31 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Unless "just" meant something like "five hours" ago, Andrea at least only > seems to have learned of this agreement *after* the RfC launched. > Yes, it was meant as "a few hours ago". I received the mail from Lisa's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Endowment Discussion

2015-12-02 Thread Andrea Zanni
I'm not an expert, but I like the idea of an endowment: there are many ways to put your money to good use out there, and if we will manage to do it ethically and in a transparent way, many good things can happen. Of course, "ethically" and "transparent" are crucial factors here, and a lot of work.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

2015-12-03 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Pine W wrote: > Under the redesigned grants scheme, WMF Project grants might be able to > help with this kind of software development work for Commons and/or > Wikisource. I happen to know a developer here in Cascadia who might be >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

2015-12-03 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > For me Commons and Wikisource could do with an abundant sprinkling of > improved user interface. > Well, of course. But, from where I see it, this is something to be address centrally: Commons and Wikisource

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-07 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Hi Yaroslav, > > Thanks for the background. The "POV pushing" you describe is of course what > Graham and Ford are examining in their paper. > > For what it's worth, the Wikidata item for Jerusalem[1] still contains the >

[Wikimedia-l] Wikisource technical issues (was Community Wishlist Survey: Top 10 wishes!)

2015-12-16 Thread Andrea Zanni
(splitting as per Richard request) > Question for the Wikisource folks: would Project Grants be a way to get > resources for you? If you can design a project and find people with the > right skills, that avenue might be beneficial for you. I have a software > developer in mind who would probably

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-13 Thread Andrea Zanni
I really feel we are drowning in a glass of water. The issue of "data quality" or "reliability" that Andreas raises is well known: what I don't understand if the "scale" of it is much bigger on Wikidata than Wikipedia, and if this different scale makes it much more important. The scale of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-18 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > A single point of failure. > > > > Exactly: a single point of failure. A system where a single point of > failure can have such consequences, potentially corrupting knowledge > forever, is a bad system. It's not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-16 Thread Andrea Zanni
: it's a single point of openness, correction, information. I was just wondering if this different scale is a factor in making Wikipedia and Wikidata different enough to accept/reject Andreas arguments. Andrea > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Andrea Zanni <> &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-20 Thread Andrea Zanni
bring a hell of issues for Wikidata itaself). Aubrey On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Lydia Pintscher <> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Andreas Kolbe <> wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Andrea Zanni <

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Free Bassel

2015-11-25 Thread Andrea Zanni
t should advise readers to do? > > >> Pete > > >> On Nov 24, 2015 3:13 AM, "Tito Dutta" <> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Sad news. Agree with everyone here that we should do something. > > >> &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] FDC recommendations for 2015-2016 Round 1 APG grant requests

2015-11-25 Thread Andrea Zanni
Il 25/nov/2015 05:01 "MZMcBride" ha scritto: > The Wikimedia Foundation has a section under "Organisation-specific > remarks", but isn't included in the "Funding recommendations" chart and > there's no amount requested, amount allocated, or proposal listed for the > Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-hub

2015-12-01 Thread Andrea Zanni
I don't really mind WMF working with closed-access publishers, if that works. What I think is that we don't put the same effort indoing something with the openaccess world: all the initiatives I know are volunteer-based. Two pop up in my mind: the Signalling Open Access project, aimed to put an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

2015-11-26 Thread Andrea Zanni
It's great :-) Aubrey On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke with > the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their music in > our article(s) on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Free Bassel

2015-11-24 Thread Andrea Zanni
It one day that I have this reply in my Drafts... --- On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Samir Elsharbaty wrote: > Some suggestions of things we can do: > Use the centralnotice. --- Gerard said it too. I understand that this is something unprecedented, as it was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2016-01-10 Thread Andrea Zanni
I totally second James' invitation to avoid a certain tone, language and conspiracy theories. I will also add that the more those tone, language, and conspiracy theories are used in these threads, the *less* likely a good chunk of the community will participate in conversation. If we really want

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

2016-01-13 Thread Andrea Zanni
I agree with Chris too! Thank you Chris! Aubrey. Il 13/gen/2016 22:32 "Shabab Mustafa" ha scritto: > And "thank you" Fæ, for brining this up! [pun intended] [sarcasm alert] > [weapons down] > > Pardon my poor sense of humour, but I couldn't resist! :P > > I believe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-18 Thread Andrea Zanni
I'm waiting for the day when Magnus will have a profile on the New Yorker, but this is nice, for the time being :-) Aubrey On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Andrew Lih wrote: > There’s an excellent profile of Magnus Manske in the Wikimedia blog today. > It’s hard to think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monetizing Wikimedia APIs

2016-01-18 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:59 AM, David Goodman wrote: > Nor am I concerned that our information might be used by people who oppose > our > principles. We ask just the same of our contributors--that the information > they contribute may be used for ''any'' purpose. > My

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monetizing Wikimedia APIs

2016-01-16 Thread Andrea Zanni
Do you think? I'm genuinely not sure. I think that the difference in scale from what Google does with our data and the general developer/researcher is pretty big. One million times big. I actually think that "over-the-top" players like Google do actually exploit free licensed materials like

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

2016-01-15 Thread Andrea Zanni
If I'm not mistaken, we recently discussed about this. I'd love using Discourse myself... Aubrey Il 15/gen/2016 06:08 "Alice Wiegand" ha scritto: > My experiences with discourse in a non-Wikimedia context is great. Worth > a try. > > Alice. > > - Ursprüngliche Nachricht

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-26 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Anthony Cole wrote: > To cite a book just add the ISBN and page number. Leave it at that; or > perhaps you could devise a bot that follows up, converting ISBN + page > number into a full-blown reference. > Most of the time, I think your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-26 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Anthony Cole wrote: > Most editions of most books published in the last 40 years (certainly books > from reliable publishers) have an ISBN that identifies one edition. Most > reliable journal articles these days have a doi. For simple citing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Shared list

2016-02-23 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 6:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > You are not the only one who is told that dissent is not appreciated. It is > ironic that when openness and shared values are considered, these same > values are swept under the rug when people are not in line

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-25 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > What I will disagree on is with the notion that the board has to take the > org's side against the movement by definition. It is my understanding that > the board has the role of oversight of the org -- that is, it's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-24 Thread Andrea Zanni
I don't really want to generate yet-another-thread, but it seems to me that many people in this conversation don't really understand the need of chapter-elected seats, which to me feels like "I don't understand the need for chapters". I have mixed feeling about this. Of course, I've been in a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Elsevier?

2016-02-14 Thread Andrea Zanni
As much as I'd **love** to see that, I think it would be a very bold step from the WMF, supporting a heroic BUT illegal operation as Sci-Hub, against a despicable BUT legal operation like Elsevier. If the WMF does want to be bold, this is a great battle to fight. Aubrey On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Piloting a Discourse installation for discussion (was: Better thankspam)

2016-01-23 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Milos Rancic <> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Andrea Zanni <> > wrote: > > Why? > > As a user, you would just need to login and participate, Discourse is > like > > a webs

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ethics of launching Wikidata, vs. ethics of WMF plans for Wikidata

2016-01-26 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > You write about your fear, uncertainty and doubt .. Why have us waste time > on it? Do something useful. > Thanks, > I, for one, think that the mail Pete sent (both in content and tone) is perfectly fine and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Elsevier?

2016-02-14 Thread Andrea Zanni
As much as I love Jake and Alex's work, and I think they are doing a terrific job, we still have to acknowledge that "playing by the rules" here is not going to change anything. Every time the academia says "we have to think about Science!", so they play along, keeping the system alive and well.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The conversation is happening elsewhere :(

2016-02-17 Thread Andrea Zanni
Thanks Asaf, I didn't know about that group. May I also mention that the conversation is also becoming *exhausting*, being in English and at very high level? I know we can't do nothing about it, but it's worth noting, IMHO, that the more we go on the fewer people with incredible stamina, analytic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-18 Thread Andrea Zanni
Thanks Ido. For what is worth, and in my personal capacity (I'm not affiliated with Wikimedia Italia any more) I completely second your concern, Discussions are ongoing from months now and BoT seems frozen in silence. People really don't understand why. I would also like to thank you for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-11 Thread Andrea Zanni
>>>I feel that Denny's decision to resign makes sense, and in no way does this >>>decision put a cloud over his continued involvement in our community. Pine, I don't necessarily disagree with you, but you are doing a very common mistake in the Wikimedia world: you are not taking into account

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New GLAM-Wiki Role at Wikimedia Foundation

2016-05-20 Thread Andrea Zanni
Yeah! Happy to hear that. More good things to come. Aubrey On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Patrick Earley wrote: > Much support for you in your new role, Alex, and I'm sure you'll have fun > working with all the amazing people around the world involved with GLAM > work!

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

2016-05-04 Thread Andrea Zanni
Pardon my naivety, but is it possible that "whistleblowers" didn't want the whole Board to know their identity, because other Board members were very close to Lila? It's pretty clear to me that there was serious fear of retribution (not implying that retribution was likely, just saying that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Direction] WMF Board of Trustees 2016 priorities

2016-06-28 Thread Andrea Zanni
Thanks Christophe. Looking forward to (collectively) work on the strategy. I personally welcome a quick and hopeful mail like this, and I'm quite happy about where we are right now. Aubrey On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Christophe Henner wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-02 Thread Andrea Zanni
Having a global and diverse movement means finding value, albeit implicitly, in diversity (of language, sex, gender, culture, pov). The NPOV is not a "null" concept: it means giving weight to different point of views, merge them together to find a balanced article on something. Mostly, we as a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-05 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Yair Rand wrote: > "Wikipedia is something special. It is like a library or a public park. It > is like a temple for the mind. It is a place we can all go to think, to > learn, to share our knowledge with others." > The point is, you are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Tremendous Wiktionary User Group

2016-10-19 Thread Andrea Zanni
Kudos! User groups for sister projects really help for advocacy and coordination between different language communities, I'm happy the Wiktionarians chose this path. Aubrey On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Carlos M. Colina wrote: > Dear all, > > I am pleased to

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