Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:30 AM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: Ill run a quick benchmark and import the full history of simple.wikipedia to my laptop wiki on a stick, and give an exact duration Simple.wikipedia is nothing like en.wikipedia. For one thing, there's no need to turn on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:22 AM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: Anthony the process is linear, you have a php inserting X number of rows per Y time frame. Amazing. I need to switch all my databases to MySQL. It can insert X rows per Y time frame, regardless of whether the database

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:22 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: They are XML dumps. Why did you say they are semi-useless? Because they are XML dumps, mainly. The data in the WMF database is compressed in a format which can be easily randomly accessed. The dump procedure is to uncompress it,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: We could also consider the possibility of allowing users to use OpenID or OAuth or whatever the web identity mechanism du jour is to allow loose affiliation of usernames between MediaWiki installs. That way you can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Tom: Is there a way to find out where OSM isn't very accurate/complete? Sure, but they all require comparison to something (a data source, memory, the real world) which is accurate/complete.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/5/29 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: The difference is that Wikipedia is usable in the real world, whereas OSM, for the most part, is not. I see it the other way around: OSM, for the most part, IS usable in the real world

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:  I then tried navfree usa. Looking more closely at the directions it did give me, it is having me get off the toll highway at basically every exit and then getting back on it. And the destination is off by 13 blocks (about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/5/29 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: I just tried osmand.  I can't even figure out how to put in an address.  I then tried navfree usa. You're limiting yourself to Android, which isn't very fair. Try to get hold of a Garmin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-02 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 June 2012 13:44, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:27 PM, John Du Hart compwhi...@gmail.com wrote: What personal information do you think is contained in an IPv6 address? Don't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Larry Sanger rides again

2012-06-03 Thread Anthony
Does anyone know does he have some new project which needs promotion in media? http://www.prlog.org/11887092-announcing-new-wikipedia-criticism-site.html ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-06-08 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: The more you play with OpenStreetMap, the more magical ways you start discovering that you can use the data. Two that I've recently found... 1. Water fountains. Here in London, we used to have lots of water fountains. Then

Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-06-12 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Tarc Meridian t...@hotmail.com wrote: This  has been tried before, i.e. wikialpha.org.  Pages are speedily deleted for a reason, many of them quite properly so.  Moving potentially libelous BLP attack pages and other sundry junk to a publicly viewable wiki is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: On Friday, 15 June 2012 at 13:21, David Gerard wrote: I don't recall seeing any, but did anyone actually explain why the market had not provided a filtering solution for Wikipedia, if there's actually a demand for one?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Anthony
I have never seen a censorware that works flawlessly (not even china can do this right). Either it allows to much (incomplete blacklist) or it is unnecessary limited (incomplete whitelist producing angry mob). Additionally it has to suite the view of the parents and match the age of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 17.06.2012 01:21, schrieb Anthony: I have never seen a censorware that works flawlessly (not even china can do this right). Either it allows to much (incomplete blacklist) or it is unnecessary limited

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Anthony, 17/06/2012 05:05: I still would have been confused.  Still am, actually.  Did this paragraph have a serious point at all?  I hope so, because Wikipedia's porn problem is a serious issue. The point

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:14 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2012 13:21, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: No software is perfect.  No solution is perfect.  But don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. You're assuming that a good exists for this function

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:14 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2012 13:21, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: No software is perfect.  No solution is perfect.  But don't let the perfect be the enemy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: It didn't even need to be complete fork. A whitelist copy would most likely already be sufficient for your needs. It would automatically update any article on a white list after a quick review (like sighted

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 18.06.2012 14:49, schrieb Anthony: Have you ever tried to do this?  It's not as easy as you are making it sound, at least it wasn't as of a few years ago, because Mediawiki is tightly coupled

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 18.06.2012 14:49, schrieb Anthony: And considering the heavy use of templates which are Wikipedia-specific, presumably you're going to allow for *some* hand-editing. That would be something else than i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-19 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: My middle one can very briefly go online alone to a few sites I've already agreed to, and I check up on her a lot. Is Wikipedia one of those few sites? But the whole point is, that's -my- job, not anyone else's, just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-20 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: My middle one can very briefly go online alone to a few sites I've already agreed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-20 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: {{sofixit}}, just like any area with NPOV/undue weight issues. The next day someone will fix it back. - Douglas Hofstadter Good for him. Care to summarize his argument? I don't particularly care to watch his video, or for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: {{sofixit}}, just like any area with NPOV/undue weight issues. The next day

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Heh.  Sorry, I have to laugh any time I hear a...person heavily versed in Wikipedia-speak...use the word consensus. That's the way the project works. You

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Many images on Wikipedia have been taken without the subject's genuine consent.  So surely that isn't the issue. Many are transferred to Commons from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Secondly, I'm not talking just about sexually explicit photos. Wikipedia has photos of people being or about to be [[behead]]ed, [[torture]]d, [[kidnap]]ped, [[assassination]]ed, etc.  I checked, and there's no photograph

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Todd has certainly said on-wiki in the past that he would not see a problem in Wikipedia using a video of rape to illustrate an article on the topic, provided it were appropriately licensed and did not raise privacy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Can you point me to any examples of real child abuse, sexual abuse or of child sexual abuse? On Wikipedia? On Commons? Anywhere? For child sexual abuse, I was referring mainly to the Virgin Killer image

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: But in practice, we do have photos of victims at articles such as [[Rape of Nanking]] and [[Holocaust]]. Some of those photos are extremely disturbing. That's because the articles are about extremely disturbing subjects.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: The SOPA strike was necessary for us to retain neutrality. Figuratively speaking, or do you think it actually made a whit of difference? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-27 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 27/06/2012 12:10 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Kim Bruningk...@bruning.xs4all.nl  wrote: The SOPA strike was necessary for us to retain neutrality. Figuratively speaking, or do you think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-11 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:02 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 July 2012 09:22, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 9 July 2012 20:41, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: In less than half an hour Russian Wikipedia will go on one-day strike against

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-11 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: The law just passed the third reading without any changes. It has to be now signed by the president and will be enforced in the present form on November 1, 2012. So is this going to shut down Russian Wikipedia? I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA, threat or menace (was Russian Wikipedia goes on strike)

2012-07-11 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Seth Finkelstein se...@sethf.com wrote: Semi-digression - I'd take the above argument more seriously if dedicated Wikipedia editors didn't keep making BADSITES proposals. It's also interesting to watch the overlap of PIPA-opponents, and Citizens United

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-12 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:47 AM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Anthony writes: I wonder if the WMF will shut down in protest should one of the proposals to amend the constitution to overturn Citizens United gain traction in Congress. I'm not speaking for WMF, but I don't see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA, threat or menace (was Russian Wikipedia goes on strike)

2012-07-12 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:00 AM, Seth Finkelstein se...@sethf.com wrote: Anthony wrote: Well, it also has to be read keeping in mind that it would be borderline malpractice for him to have stated if SOPA passes then Wikipedia will be in violation of the law and forced to shut down - just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-12 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: I'm not speaking for WMF, but I don't see the connection here. The connection is free speech. Analytically, however, the issue raised by Citizens United

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-12 Thread Anthony
As for WMF's tax status, I'm not going to talk about that -- I simply pointed out that 501(c) organizations are regulated. 501(c) *is a tax status*. 501(c)(3) is a subset of that tax status. So? I gave you pointers to regs for 501(c)(3), (c)(4), etc. Well, no, you didn't. But I know where

Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-07-22 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: The articles are hosted on archive.org, and then transfered to wikia, I could make some review tools, but where to host them? mike Well, why do you want to host them? Or, more specifically, why do you want to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-26 Thread Anthony
It's time to black out coverage of the olympics. This would be a blackout that could actually make a difference. On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Would it make sense to start a more thorough long term lobby on this issue? Considering that this will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-26 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:06 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Copyrights wouldn't apply because you own the copyrights in the pictures you take. Maybe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-27 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:47 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jul 27, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: My advice is that the law isn't that simple, and that blanket statements of that type are quite often incorrect. To the degree that we can advise people at all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-28 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/07/12 09:46, Nikola Smolenski wrote: An excellent list :) I'd like to add: you sneak in the stadium without paying the ticket. IOC can do nothing. Seriously, if IOC decides to go after someone, don't they first have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-28 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 1:44 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: 2.2 By applying for, purchasing, holding or using a Ticket, a Ticket Holder agrees that he or she shall comply with these Terms and Conditions. http://www.tickets.london2012.com/purchaseterms.html Well, yeah, but legally that's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-28 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: I suppose that, like any good Wikimedian, we like to balance ourselves on the edge cases. We can imagine many. The underlying case would be IOC vs. Uploader. These other points about joint authorship and photo editing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-08-01 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 28/07/12 19:44, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: 2.2 By applying for, purchasing, holding or using a Ticket, a Ticket Holder agrees that he or she shall comply with these Terms and Conditions.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Legality under French law of hosting personal details such as race and sexuality in Wikipedia

2012-08-19 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: The question at issue is whether French Wikimedians might be individually liable for violating French law if they add such categories in Wikipedia. Seems possible. Fortunately, Wikipedia offers both https and the ability

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Legality under French law of hosting personal details such as race and sexuality in Wikipedia

2012-08-20 Thread Anthony
people as Jewish, LGBT, etc. I actually quite like that approach. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: The question at issue is whether French Wikimedians might be individually liable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-20 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:47 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure that collectively we can bloviate with the best of 'em on the topic - but do we have any case law whatsoever anywhere on the topic that might give real-world pointers? It's a question of fact, not a question of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-20 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:03 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: @ Tomasz: Per a) if the picture is taken automatically by machine in routine way (in case of X-ray, NMR and some other techinques this is usually atomatic and routine) - they are not copyrightable, as this is not any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-22 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:19 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 August 2012 19:44, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: Utilitarian work = uncopyrightable Only under a fairly limited number of legal systems. -- geni

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-22 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:14 AM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: I really doubt non-artistic works are copyrighted as a general rule anywhere I'm not sure what you mean by non-artistic, but if you mean purely utilitarian, as that term is interpreted by the court, then this is a good point. I was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-22 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:14 AM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: Now clearly being able to judge that X is a utilitarian work is the more normal problem with this argument and why it is seldom used. Diagnostic images are one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-22 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:37 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: In the case of the US we can consider the constitutional basis of copyright To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-22 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Upperarm.jpg That photo, according to the licenses on that page, has copyright. Do you disagree? It possibly has a very thin copyright. And even that very thin copyright would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-22 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Upperarm.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Arm.agr.jpg would probably be a better example. There's a good chance that wouldn't be considered copyrightable under US law.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-22 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Upperarm.jpg http

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-22 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 August 2012 20:50, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: It possibly has a very thin copyright. Copyright doesn't have thickness. Either

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-23 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 8:20 AM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe artistic/non-artistic is accurate for images. Technically it is artistic, literary, dramatic, or musical works. Well, I think that's an abuse of the term artistic. The job of a photojournalist, for instance, is to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-23 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:49 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: To reword what I said before the vast majority of X-ray images in existence are diagnostic images. There is no reason at all to purposefully search out X-rays that might land in some grey area. One problem with that is that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-23 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: And many others were designed, like the X-ray image, to objectively depict reality. In fact, in theory, almost all the images in an encyclopedia should be of this type (I say almost because there will also be images which

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-24 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 23, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On the other hand, if probably no one will sue is good enough for you, then you really don't need to ask the legal question in the first place. That is not at all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-24 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 23, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: And many others were designed, like the X-ray image, to objectively depict reality. _ Yes there are many such images. These types of images

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-24 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: At this point I'm starting to doubt whether or not Meshwerks even applies. Heh, I'm reading Meshwerks (which I believe can be easily distinguished from X-ray images for many reasons, not the least of which is that it wasn't about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

2012-10-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Retention of people who have made dozens of edits is about the same as it's ever been. Retention of people who've made a handful of edits has declined substantially since 2005, even though new users still show up at the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

2012-10-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Retention of people who've made a handful of edits has declined substantially since 2005, even though new users still show up at the same rate. On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Since

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

2012-10-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Retention of people who've made a handful of edits has declined substantially since 2005, even though new users still show up at the same rate. On Sun

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocking of HTTPS connection by China

2013-06-08 Thread Anthony
This response seems to miss the fact that, in this particular case, censorship is being accomplished through eavesdropping. On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Matthew Roth mr...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, I wanted to share a clarifying email from Ryan Lane in WMF Ops. He's working through the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocking of HTTPS connection by China

2013-06-08 Thread Anthony
What is this hard-enabled and soft-enabled? If the Chinese volunteer editor community requests that HTTPS be soft-enabled for them, and you do so, does that solve anything? On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Matthew Roth mr...@wikimedia.org wrote: We've also hard-enabled HTTPS on all of our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-09 Thread Anthony
There is plenty of reason to think the government would be interested in Wikipedia access logs. On the other hand, there's very little reason to believe an organization when they say they haven't been turning over information under a top secret order which they're not allowed to tell anyone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-09 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Benoit Landry benoit_lan...@hotmail.comwrote: What information could the WMF disclose that isn't already available to some volunteers anyhow? I don't know what information some volunteers have access to, who qualifies as some volunteers (does the board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.netwrote: I wouldn't say that there's nothing to worry about, but at the same time I doubt we're near the top of the spooks' priority list. Maybe not priority-wise, but remember that the cooperation between Mediawiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-10 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Everything passing over the internet is archived. Nearly everything done at Wikipedia passes over the internet. Encrypted, if you're using https everywhere (and Wikipedia hasn't intentionally or unintentionally

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-10 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Correct. If Osama Bin Laden had been editing Wikipedia, before his death of course, through some account in Pakistan, it would have been rather reasonable to respond favorable to a request for information. But plenty

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-10 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure how that would have any bearing on Wikipedia though, the purpose there is to write an article, fix typos, add pictures, occasionally there is cross-communication between different editors. Wikipedia is not a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-10 Thread Anthony
Encrypted, if you're using https everywhere (and Wikipedia hasn't intentionally or unintentionally compromised their certificate). But simple encryption that NSA can break at will. No one will bother trying to break SSL/TLS. The NSA certainly doesn't need to. They can just sign their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-10 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: We know that people's Google searches have been used against them in court. I'm not aware of any cases where Wikipedia searches have been used. But I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-10 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: You are right, Anthony, never assume you're not dealing with idiots. If NSA is doing doing detailed surveillance of Tea Party activists or defense lawyers we are truly well along the road to hell. Maybe we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-10 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote: We should have a blog post up within the next few days to discuss PRISM and our values in more detail; we will pass that along here when it is posted. Thanks. I do appreciate this. And it seems to be better worded than

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-10 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:13 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: e.g. we have never received or honored an NSA or FISA subpoena or order is good (and far better than I've seen from Google or Facebook), but ... does that exclude all possible orders under the Patriot Act? does that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-10 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:06 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Anthony wrote: One thing I'd also appreciate is that if indeed Wikipedia access logs are not even collected in the first place (except for 1/1000 samples), that this be stated officially, rather than relying on a two-year

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-11 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote: Le 2013-06-10 16:01, John Vandenberg a écrit : It would be good *if* the WMF can provide assurances to editors that they havent received any national security letters or other 'trawling' requests from any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-11 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: There will always be humans maintaining the system who must, in order to do their work, have potential access to everything. No, there isn't. This statement is about as recklessly false as your previous one that WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-11 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.orgwrote: On 06/11/2013 08:19 AM, Anthony wrote: Putting everything in a single database which can be accessed by a single developer is a choice. It is, also, the only *reasonable* choice given the resources at our disposal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-15 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote: PRISM From @ShammaBoyarin on Twitter: Its not as if the NSA were mass downloading articles from JSTOR. Certainly if the evidence showed that the NSA were breaking into wiring closets and hacking into computer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-15 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.netwrote: (Yes, you can speculate that they're probably doing this too, but this particular scandal is the NSA getting information from computer networks with the permission of the computer owners, not despite the owners

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-15 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: The fact of the matter is that there would be a much bigger uproar if the NSA were caught doing what Aaron Swartz did, on American soil against an innocent American company. If NSA were caught breaking into wiring

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA

2013-07-31 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Ryan Lane rl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I would be fired and jailed before I knowingly let that occur. If this was the case I'd very surely not be working for Wikimedia Foundation. Key word there being knowingly. ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA

2013-08-01 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 01/08/13 14:15, Anthony wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Ryan Lane rl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I would be fired and jailed before I knowingly let that occur. If this was the case I'd very surely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disinformation regarding perfect forward secrecy for HTTPS

2013-08-02 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 1:32 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: George William Herbert wrote: ... It would also not be much more effort or customer impact to pad to the next larger 1k size for a random large fraction of transmissions. Padding each transmission with a random

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disinformation regarding perfect forward secrecy for HTTPS

2013-08-02 Thread Anthony
How much padding is already inherent in HTTPS? Does the protocol pad to the size of the blocks in the block cipher? Seems to me that any amount of padding is going to give little bang for the buck, at least without using some sort of pipelining. You could probably do quite a bit if you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disinformation regarding perfect forward secrecy for HTTPS

2013-08-02 Thread Anthony
Anthony wrote: How much padding is already inherent in HTTPS? None, which is why Ryan's Google Maps fingerprinting example works. Citation needed. ... Seems to me that any amount of padding is going to give little bang for the buck Again, can we please procure expert opinions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disinformation regarding perfect forward secrecy for HTTPS

2013-08-02 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Anthony wrote: How much padding is already inherent in HTTPS? None, which is why Ryan's Google Maps fingerprinting example works. Citation needed. Also please address https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disinformation regarding perfect forward secrecy for HTTPS

2013-08-02 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:09 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Anthony, padding in this context means adding null or random bytes to the end of encrypted TCP streams in order to obscure their true length. The process of adding padding is entirely independent of the choice

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disinformation regarding perfect forward secrecy for HTTPS

2013-08-02 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: AES and CBC, which would be a block cipher which pads to 128 or 256 bytes. I mean bits, of course. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disinformation regarding perfect forward secrecy for HTTPS

2013-08-03 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 4:19 AM, Ryan Lane rl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: It seems that the ciphers which run in CBC mode, at least, are padded. Wikipedia currently seems to be set to use RC4 128. I'm not sure what, if any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-02 Thread Anthony Cole
partnerships that improve the reliability of Wikipedia's articles. Welcome aboard. It's great to have you here. Anthony Cole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthonyhcole On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Anders Wennersten m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2015 Strategy/Community consultation

2015-04-29 Thread Anthony Cole
information is coming soon, I hope. pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org javascript:; | : @Philippewiki https://twitter.com/Philippewiki On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Anthony Cole ahcole

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