Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Gap

English Wiktionary has made a modest step toward ameliorating the FUll Text On the Net bias by reducing for less-attested languages the requirement for three citations of a word in use to just one. The result is more coverage at somewhat greater risk of making a mistake in the entry

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

Every participant in an iterative multi-party process likes to be the last. In a certain sense the larger community will be the last. They can opt to abandon the movement. But for those volunteers who will be loyal to the movement, it is the far-away Board has the last look and final say-so.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

I am profoundly disappointed that WMF employees don't value the mission. Instead they seem to simply follow fashion and force users and volunteers to follow their fashionable methods of advocacy. They use their monopoly power to deny free access to the world's knowledge that many thousands of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

t; itself, I don't see the issue. > > Todd > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 6:45 PM Dennis During wrote: > > > I am profoundly disappointed that WMF employees don't value the mission. > > Instead they seem to simply follow fashion and force users and volunteers > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

Thanks for moving this close to completion. I hope finalization goes well. However, It found Special:UsersWhoWillBeRenamed totally useless at Wiktionary, as I'm sure it is at any mature project. Only 25 names appear at time. On Wiktionary the first page only includes names using exclusively

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

. Fae On 18 March 2015 at 15:11, Dennis During dcdur...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for moving this close to completion. I hope finalization goes well. However, It found Special:UsersWhoWillBeRenamed totally useless at Wiktionary, as I'm sure it is at any mature project. Only 25 names

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

Thanks MFWarburg. Almost exactly what I want and certainly good enough for now. On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:43 PM, MF-Warburg mfwarb...@googlemail.com wrote: Special:Log/renameuser Am 19.03.2015 00:59 schrieb Dennis During dcdur...@gmail.com: So, for the third time: Will there be a report

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

Partially OT: re Sadly it got marked as resolved because there was something that looked similar to developers, though not of course to potential users. I've had a similar experience at Phabricator with respect to dump problems. Phabricator as it is used is really for WMF pros only, even though

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiktionary language study

, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Dennis During dcdur...@gmail.com wrote: The flashcard function idea is not essential, given the availability of superior free, open-source, multi-platform flashcard programs like Anki. But it might be a good tool for engaging folks. There are Swadesh lists

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiktionary language study

This will become considerably easier once we have Wikidata support for Wiktionary. The latest proposal for how to do this is at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development/Proposals/2015-05 and welcoming feedback. Easier for whom? Is there an ETA for that? On Sat, Jul 4, 2015

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiktionary language study

The flashcard function idea is not essential, given the availability of superior free, open-source, multi-platform flashcard programs like Anki. But it might be a good tool for engaging folks. There are Swadesh lists for many languages, which should be supplemented by more contemporary words and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiktionary language study

: On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Dennis During dcdur...@gmail.com wrote: Easier for whom? Since it'll be more machine-readable than it is now it'll be easier for a programmer to make use of the data to build a tool like you proposed or use it in an existing tool. Is there an ETA

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Book Grant program

Is the omission of sister projects (Commons, Species, Wiktionary) intentional? On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Tito Dutta trulyt...@gmail.com wrote: That's great. :) if you add something for queries please contact joh@example.org or something like that on the Book Grant page too (

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia content for in-flight entertainment?

Wouldn't there be significant bandwidth limitations on aircraft? So WMF content would require additional storage. Presumably, only selected WMF content would be actually carried on board, with other made available on-demand. On Jul 31, 2017 5:38 AM, "Andy Mabbett"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

Can we get back on topic please? I isn't there another thread for beating the fundraising-disclosure-oversight dead horse? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] an observation on economic biases in Wikipedia

At the level of generalization of the cited statement in the WP article, it is pretty much impossible to approach objectivity in economics articles. I doubt that an instance of bias should lead us to include the kind of unscientific economics that we happen to find agreeable. I specifically

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

er, both in proportion to optimized influence likelihoods. > ​What is an "optimized influence likelihood"?​ > > Best regards, > Jim > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 4:58 PM, Dennis During wrote: > > I'd reconsider contributing content to WMF projects if WMF became a > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

I'd reconsider contributing content to WMF projects if WMF became a partisan on issues outside its basic remit. On Jun 15, 2018 16:11, "James Salsman" wrote: Regarding https://twitter.com/SuePGardner/status/998302792946102273 I propose that the Executive Director resume regular periodic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] C-team Statement on the Code of Conduct

I don't see how a ringing endorsement of principles is responsive to specific issues that have been raised. If this email has any meaning at all, it seems to mean that no change whatsoever is thought necessary by the folks who would have to change. On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 13:46 Victoria Coleman

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Information on "Multiple failed attempts to log in" emails

Wouldn't disclosure in a public forum of any details of such an attack potentially inform the attackers and would-be imitators of the success or lack thereof of the attack, of its methods, and of detection and cleanup methods? On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Fæ wrote: > Dear Security group of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Response to recent developments of United States travel ban

We are getting down to brass tacks, finally. The interests of WMF are not whether the immigration regulations changes "threaten the ability of the US to attract skilled talent into the country", but rather whether they have such an effect on the WMF and Wikimedia community ("WMF"). If WMF and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 3:33 PM, James Salsman wrote: > Lodewijk, > > I want to ask about something you wrote: > > >... Not taking a position is definitely not the same as > > taking a 'neutral' position or holding the middle ground. > > Suppose for the sake of argument that there are two

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

. IMO > > > this process works very well. The other depends on opinion, votes, > > > supported by whatever facts or authority or bluster (my specialty) > > > advocates bring to bear. That process, though adequate, is not as > > > satisfactory. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

ource is considered as the Holy Bible, the same > > pillars of Wikipedia are infringed. > > > > Kind regards > > > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018, 14:06 Dennis During > > > > Who is the judge? Are we going to join Facebook, Google, Twitter, et al > > as >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

adhere to our policies. > > > Thanks, > > > GerardM > > > > > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 19:15, Ilario Valdelli > wrote: > > > > > > > History does not require a judge. It's the storiography to be judge. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

to go, let it be validated and put to use. On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 16:45 Benjamin Lees On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:06 AM Dennis During wrote: > > > > Who is the judge? Are we going to join Facebook, Google, Twitter, et al > as > > the new press barons? > > All of our work

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

Who is the judge? Are we going to join Facebook, Google, Twitter, et al as the new press barons? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

It's a good thing that our thoughts and deeds are so pure that we have become entitled to purify the thoughts and deeds of others. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

and the ones in your favourite > project. Why not start where we face an urgency? An urgency that undermines > Wikipedia as NPOV! > Thanks, > GerardM > > On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 00:31, Dennis During wrote: > > > Why not test-run the process on my favorite proj

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

Is Wikimedia 'friendly' to or 'safe' for people who voted for, donated to, or worked for Trump or Farage or Reagan or LePen or Berlusconi or Modi or Bolsonaro or Orban or Bush or Thatcher or Churchill? On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:04 PM camelia boban wrote: > I agree a unique, inconfondible and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

Would anyone care to specify or, at least, provide examples of "such ideologies" as would not be "allowed in our movement"? I have the feeling that the focus should not be on thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, but rather on behavior. I get scared ("feel unsafe") whenever discussions take the turn

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

It seems perfectly reasonable to use metaphors based on legal systems, including human rights, in discussing these matters, which do, after all, involve rules of human behavior and their adjudication by authorities. Fairness and justice are constantly invoked in all sorts of everyday matters, from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

"One (and not the most important) pieces of evidence for Wikipedia being in a failed state is precisely that it does not, by the community's own admission, constitute a reliable source " You have made this argument more than once. That might be a piece of evidence seems both wrong and not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

ailure with respect to its own mission. > > One of the reasons for that state of failure is indeed the failure to > provide a collegial working atmosphere. > > Thrapostibongles > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 2:19 PM Dennis During wrote: > > > "

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:24 AM Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > I am afraid that this is a misrepresentation. Romaine is a "self confessed" > person with Asperger. Within our community we have an overrepresentation > with people with a mental health issue. This is to be expected. This is >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

Is posting 'fuck random' "behaviour that is unacceptable in any collegial working environment"? I think not. In many work environments frank expressions of anger are a consequence of high levels of engagement in the work. It may be that in order to encourage participation by those who are very

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

Did WMF have to get involved because the complainant was part of ARBCOM? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

This seems like a mighty menacing line of discourse, coming from someone in a position to initiate a block. I don't think I should participate in any WP or WMF or Commons or WikiData discussions if such menace is the norm. On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 8:05 PM Rebecca O'Neill wrote: > It wasn't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

I am ashamed that the movement has a climate that allows this unfortunate outcome On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 7:15 AM Romaine Wiki wrote: > Dear community, > > > About a month ago I have decided that I will indefinitely no longer attend > any WMF funded events as result of bullying, attempts to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

Just so long as we don't make exaggeration/hyperbole a violation of the Code of Conduct. On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 5:28 PM Vi to wrote: > I disagree with using this kind of metaphor as long as they imply an > overestimation of the importance of the fictional universe we're dealing > with. > For

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

It would be nice if more Commons images HAD proper location and context info. As it is experts are often needed to identify meaningful content and categories. Those tasks are not the equivalent of minor copyediting, not that proofreading is a minor matter. IOW, Commons *needs* more collaborative

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 14:48 Thomas Townsend wrote: Considering that nobody posting has any information about the facts of the case, would it not be better to cease from speculation which can have no positive aspects but will certainly be offensive or even defamatory to named individuals.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

gt; > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone have a screenshot of the page with this banner? Or a > > link to an online archive? Or at least the banner itself? > > > > sasha. > > > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 9:54 PM Dennis During > wrote: > > > > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Persistence of old vandalized Wikipedia articles in Google search, especially for zombie attacks

Isn't it statistically inevitable that some offensively vandalized version of some WP article will happen to be the version that Google caches? I suppose they don't refresh the cache very often. Weekly? I know Google doesn't make it easy to complain effectively about such blunders. On Sun, Oct 6,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

I, for one, welcome Wikipedia Dictionary, Wikipedia Source, Wikipedia Species, Wikipedia Commons. Why is it, though, that others go the other way? like American Airlines subordinating to AMR, Google to Alphabet. Citibank went in a direction the opposite of the way that WMF is going, with Citi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft schedule of Wikimedia CEE Online Meeting 2020

ut, Mr. During, would have been to model the change you would > like to see yourself. > > CEE = Central and Eastern Europe. > > A. > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:57 PM Dennis During wrote: > > > Would it be unreasonable to ask that a notice to a general mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust and safety on Wikimedia projects

"Work with community functionaries to create and refine a retroactive review process for cases brought by involved parties, excluding those cases which pose legal or other severe risks " What does "retroactive review process" mean? I hope it doesn't mean applying standards that were not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft schedule of Wikimedia CEE Online Meeting 2020

Would it be unreasonable to ask that a notice to a general mailing list from an organizational unit such as CEE actually had the full name of the organizational unit? Even the two linked Meta pages did not contain the name. Only the Eventbrite page had it. Some mailings seem to have wandered in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

I think he's looking for openness. That doesn't require one to psychoanalyze him; just a straightforward reading of what he has said, especially in the context of wikidom. If there is some reason why OTRS isn't important enough to merit policies, supervision, and transparency, that should be easy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

1. Never let a crisis go to waste. 2. Never let a strategy process go to waste. If you've got something you want that is not necessarily universally loved, make a plan and cram it into anything that doesn't make it a laughingstock. Want to loot Constantinople? Make sure you're in the Crusade

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

Are you actually saying that it is promoting biological racism to mention the fact that, say, skin color, hair color, aspects of bone structure, or susceptibility to certain diseases are heritable characteristics of certain human populations? Is this some kind of practical joke you are trying to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

I don't feel safe presenting truths in an environment where one can be bullied for presenting truths that are unfashionable or can be so painted. Does the Code of Conduct cover that? On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:57 AM Fæ wrote: > It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

wrote: > I don't feel safe in an environment were racism is being labeled as > "presenting truths". > > Maybe the list moderators should take a look at this thread. > > Chico Venancio > > Em ter, 16 de jun de 2020 10:42, Dennis During > escreveu: >

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Long Reddit post laying out inner workings of English Wikipedia

Which reply supports some of his and Musk's points. On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 1:25 PM Dan Rosenthal wrote: > Man, that essay reads like someone spent a grand total of 5 days reading > Wikipedia policies, ventured into some politically fraught articles with a > right-wing agenda, got taken to AN/I