Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata now officially has more total edits than English language Wikipedia

2019-03-20 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
The code may always be written and and often reviewed by humans but the data clearly is not. There was an instance recently of a bot adding an incorrect date of birth of 1950 to thousands of entries due to a misunderstanding (by its human author) about VIAF file formats JPS On Wed, Mar 20, 2019

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata now officially has more total edits than English language Wikipedia

2019-03-20 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
"All the errors included in Wikidata are the errors that already exist in a Wikipedia," That's rather far from being correct. I already indicated one form of error, caused by erroneous scraping by bot from an external data set. And to the extent that information is inserted by humans from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reminder: We are seeking a diverse group of volunteers to work with Foundation on movement communications

2019-04-12 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Gregory It would perhaps be helpful if you were to give a little more detail about what you expect the committee to do and what you think its workload is likely to be. Will it meet entirely electronically, or will visits to WMF headquarters be required, and if so, what expenses will be paid? It

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-15 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Luiz > > > If the true drivers behind this change are because WMF senior > > management believe that the WMF is a competitor for Facebook or > > YouTube (as was in one of the marketing presentations), then the > > problem is their perception of the mission of the WMF, not the name > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-16 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Jim > I would like to comment on the search and requirement > criteria. In particular, I'd like to know [...] I would love to know any of > this far more than anything about branding. > Yes, but what would you *do* with the answers to all those questions? You're not on the search committee, so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-16 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Dan Garry (Deskana) wrote: > Splitting off the Wikinews discussion from the branding discussion... > > On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 07:52, Jennifer Pryor-Summers < > jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Compared to Wikitribune it is! But more importantly, if W

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-17 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
rojects, message streams; and channel, > > advertise, amplify, polish them; use them for flash projects and > > coalescence, for awareness and thanks. We have tried many small steps in > > this direction but have never made groups or hashtags work as simple, > > functio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-16 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
to me. However, I conclude from what you're saying that the best way forward is to fold the Wikinews operation into Wikipedia. Is that right? JPS On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 8:15 PM Andrew Lih wrote: > On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 2:27 PM Jennifer Pryor-Summers < > jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-18 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
> > > You can't be a member of "The Wikipedia Movement". > > I suggest that this claimed impossibility is in fact exactly what the vast majority of the volunteers believe that they are. JPS ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-18 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Dan I've not seen any proposals involving shutting down projects without > community involvement, so hopefully you shouldn't need to worry about this. > The problem with failing projects like Wikinews and Wikiversity is that there is not a critical mass in their community. I wouldn't go so far

[Wikimedia-l] Weibel case -- lessons learnt?

2019-04-14 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Hello In a recent blog post *A German court forced us to remove part of a Wikipedia article’s ‘history.’ Here’s what that means* at https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/04/11/a-german-court-forced-us-to-remove-part-of-a-wikipedia-articles-history-heres-what-that-means/ Jacob Rogers and Alison

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing 1Lib1Ref (1Bib1Ref) in May 2019!

2019-04-29 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
derstand it, live it. Librarians > are great at that. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 19:37, Jennifer Pryor-Summers < > jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Jake > > > > Thanks for that, but I think we need to preserve a sense of prop

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
n't achieve that by abandoning news. JPS On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 6:29 PM Strainu wrote: > În mar., 16 apr. 2019 la 12:38, Dan Garry (Deskana) a > scris: > > > > Splitting off the Wikinews discussion from the branding discussion... > > > > On Tue, 16 Apr 2019

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-18 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
han subject it > to peer review. Might make sense to merge Wikinews into such a site. Of > course would require consensus. > > James > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:16 AM Jennifer Pryor-Summers < > jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Gerard > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-19 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
> majority preventing change. > > Wikipedia as a brand will prove destructive. > Thanks, > GerardM > > > > On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 18:16, Jennifer Pryor-Summers < > jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Gerard > > > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-19 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
n on the inclusivity of the > Wikimedia Foundation that enables the continued existence of these > projects. With a Wikipedia community as a movement we will be excluding > others as we expel volunteers who are considered redundant because they do > not fit our image. > Thanks, >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing Community Strategy Liaisons

2019-04-20 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Paulo, Given that the ages you refer to are for the community to feed back to the various working groups, any lack of activity there can best be described as the discussions being abandoned by the community. That's not too surprising, since very few members of the community have the time,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-18 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Gerard > > So it is ok to deny the minority that insists they are not? > > I didn't say that at all. I merely suggest that the reality is that the majority of volunteers take a certain view of themselves (that they are Wikpedians first and foremost ), and that the ones who take a different view

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-18 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Peter Our brand is already on it in these cases, and yes it would be sending a > message - "We want you to risk your time and effort on our projects but we > may later decide to discard everything you worked for" > I don;t think "discard" is right. The message would be "... but if it doesn't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing Community Strategy Liaisons

2019-04-20 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Kelsi Thanks for that announcement. An obvious question -- why did you not appoint a Community Strategy Liaison for the English language community? JPS On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 5:04 PM Kelsi Stine-Rowe wrote: > Hello Wikimedians! > > As part of the roll out for community conversations [1] in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
; > notable folks [1] so this is perhaps a sustainable niche. But as a > > direct > > > > > news wire competitor to AP, Reuters or AFP, no. > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.m.wikinews.org/wiki/Shimon_Peres_dis

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing 1Lib1Ref (1Bib1Ref) in May 2019!

2019-04-28 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Jake Thanks for that, but I think we need to preserve a sense of proportion here. According to a recent WMF Research finding, see https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/04/03/can-machine-learning-uncover-wikipedias-missing-citation-needed-tags/ ,"one out of four articles in English Wikipedia does

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-14 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Fæ I don't think that the chapters are in a position to dictate to the Foundation in the way you suggest. To take the UK chapter, with you are probably most familiar, last year some 42% of its income came as a block grant from the WMF, the figures for the preceding years being 54% and 47%. When

Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-16 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Jim You ask that "the CTO search team please publish their search and requirement criteria" -- what would you, or the public at large, do with that information? JPS ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-16 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 3:49 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > I wouldn't describe Wikinews as a success case, though. > > Paulo > Compared to Wikitribune it is! But more importantly, if Wikinews is not thriving, then why not? Does it lack resources? What could or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fallout from 2018 Wikimedian of the Year announcement

2019-04-22 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Farhad I assume that under this arrangement, the editorial independence of the contributors and content will remain inviolable? JPS On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 5:22 PM Фархад Фаткуллин / Farhad Fatkullin < f...@yandex.com> wrote: > Regional department of education (elementary & secondary