Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/27/16 12:15 AM, Brion Vibber wrote: > When it comes to your employees, setting the bozo bit is a *really* bad > antipattern. Doubly so when they're coming out of a bad situation and have > a lot to tell you. I completely agree with this - let me remind the context of my remark. For

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/26/16 9:17 PM, Fæ wrote: > I hope you will be able to address nagging concerns about your > personal support for keeping the search project a secret last year, Sure - I never supported keeping the proposed and approved work on Discovery and Search secret last year at all. I don't know of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-27 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/25/16 2:14 AM, Craig Franklin wrote: > One could argue that any action that would injure the movement would also > injure the Foundation by definition. Denny is quite correct that trustees > have a legal obligation to put the Foundation before anything else, however > there's usually a fair

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reinstatement of James Heilman

2016-02-27 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/27/16 5:28 PM, SarahSV wrote: > Doc James has asked Jimbo to release a 30 December 2015 email from Jimbo to > James, which explained the reasons for the removal. [1] It isn't primarily about reasons for the removal, and in fact only partly touches on that topic. It's primarily about why I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/26/16 10:39 AM, GorillaWarfare wrote: > How do you plan to communicate what you learn to the > rest of the Board of Trustees, and to those who will be instrumental in > shaping the changes that will happen to the WMF in the near future? Through email, Google hangout meetings, and in person

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/26/16 3:46 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > Hmm. I wonder if Jimmy is going to be named the interim bosssomeone has > to be. No, that isn't going to happen. There has been some staff and board advocacy of it - the idea has been floated - but although I took the idea seriously enough to think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reinstatement of James Heilman

2016-02-27 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/27/16 7:50 PM, James Heilman wrote: > Jimmy to clarify some of facts. It was I who reached out to Patricio to put > together a joint statement. > > We worked on it in a Google document that I started and as such I am the > own. We were unable to come to an agreement. Ok. I wasn't involved

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-28 Thread Jimmy Wales
Chris, I think you are misreading something that I wrote. On 2/28/16 1:03 AM, Chris Sherlock wrote: > The Jimmy sent an email to the mailing list: > >> It was written at a time when there were efforts underway by >> Patricio to get James to agree to a joint statement. It is an >> encouragement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-28 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/28/16 6:48 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > I think it is far more likely that if the board is conducting its business > in a non-transparent manner, and has done for as long as it has existed, > then that is because Jimmy Wales, more than anyone else, likes it that way. No, this is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-28 Thread Jimmy Wales
On the very specific topic of donor funding going to help commercial re-users, we've had some interesting but inconclusive board discussions about this topic. Despite that he takes every opportunity to attack me, and surely it will disappoint him to know, but my general view is 100% in agreement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Jimmy Wales' potential conflict of loyalties for Wikia Inc. versus WMF

2016-02-28 Thread Jimmy Wales
I've been advised by more than one community member not to engage further on this, but I need to correct what I see as a potentially dangerous falsehood. On 2/28/16 11:47 AM, Fæ wrote: > ISSUE > > Jimmy Wales has never declared a conflict of interest or loyalty when > acting as a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-28 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/28/16 5:45 PM, Chris Sherlock wrote: > Yes, but you need to be more clear. At the risk of playing semantic > games, your exact words here are “efforts underway *by Patricio* to > *get James to agree* to a joint statement. > > You are implying here that the effort was all on Patricio’s side,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-25 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/25/16 1:08 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > And the first part, as it wasn't well formatted initially: There is > specific Board culture, transferred from generation to generation of > Board members. The culture of siege, where the community is the > archenemy. As the longest standing member of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/29/16 2:42 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Pete, > Can you help me figure out how Jimmy and the board could have "assumed" > that there was community discussion and consultation about the Knowledge > Engine project when James Heilman > > 1. had started a board discussion in mid-October

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
(People keep mentioning a post limit, and I'm sure I'm going to hit it. I'll see if someone can give me a temporary exception, but I also wanted to warn that I'm in back to back meetings for the next 3 days and intend to deliberately go quiet because of that. In the evenings, I plan to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
I agree with Dariusz on this, and have 2 additional thoughts: 1. I'm not sure that Silicon Valley organizations as a whole are more secretive than many NGOs. Some are famously super secretive - Apple. Others are not really - Automattic (Wordpress). Some NGOs tend to be very controlling of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
tired of this mystery. >> >> I'm not blaming anybody - it's part of the unfortunate atmosphere of >> unnecessary secrecy, which plagued us for way too long. That's what creates >> the accusations and the wild rumors in all sides. We all have to fix it in >> ou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/29/16 7:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > A few days ago, Oliver Keyes said[1] here on this list that, even though he > had already quit his job, he was scared to share with people the content of > the non-disclosure agreement he had to sign as a WMF staff member. > > Do you believe the various

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/29/16 2:25 AM, Molly White wrote: > Thank you for your reply, and I apologize for how late this one is. When > I asked how you intend to speak with the Board of Trustees and with staff, I > did not mean what technical means you will use. It doesn't much matter to me > whether you speak with

[Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
One of the things that someone asked me privately to discuss is what I think of the possibility of James running for the board again. First, I have no opinion about whether or not he will be eligible at the next election. That's a matter for people other than me to decide. I don't know.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/29/16 5:52 AM, Nathan wrote: > There is a simple and easy way to rectify this: you and the other members > of the board can honestly and fully describe the circumstances that led you > to eject Heilman from the board. I've seen lots of indirect and > non-specific claims from both sides; I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/29/16 6:46 AM, Chris Sherlock wrote: > Unfortunately though, the WMF very much did have internal documents > that were positioning the WMF into building a search engine. In fact, > it was a grand idea. But one that was done in secret. James was not > wrong, and he wasn’t lying. You may not

[Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
I'm switching to this email address for posting, because apparently there is some kind of weird problem between yahoo and google such that gmail users see all or most of my messages in their SPAM folder. If you've asked me something and think that I didn't respond, I recommend looking there.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/25/16 2:16 AM, Risker wrote: > And I'll say that if I was going to favour paying anyone, it would be paying > qualified translators to > support smaller projects... I'd find a pilot project to do something like this very exciting. ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Vendors and Transparency

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/29/16 6:15 PM, Richard Ames wrote: > 'Deals' and other 'preferential' arrangements can be easily avoided > The WMF can deal with others in public at competitive rates. > > If the vendor wishes to make donations to the WMF they can do so and > get a tax deduction! It wasn't a great

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-09 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 3/3/16 11:19 PM, Craig Franklin wrote: > Rather than solving the transparency problem through gimmicks like wheeling > a video camera into the board room, we should look at reasons why the Board > of Trustees might not feel comfortable being transparent. The only real > solution will involve

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Easier browsing of Board minutes, agendas, etc., plus summaries

2016-03-09 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 3/9/16 3:46 PM, Chris Sherlock wrote: > Jimmy, could the Board at least provide an explanation for why it has taken > such a long time to publish the minutes? I don't see why not. I've not been involved with the publishing of the minutes personally, so I don't know the details. I am unaware

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-09 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 3/9/16 2:29 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees oversees the foundation and > appoints its Executive Director. It seems very worrying that this body has > now admitted that it's so out-of-touch with the workings of the > organization that it ostensibly manages that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

2016-03-10 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 3/10/16 8:18 AM, Benjamin Lees wrote: > I was glad when I saw Jimbo indicate he was reaching out to James. At > the risk of sounding hopelessly naive, maybe Jimbo should send James > another email, this time extending a clearer olive branch. If we're > past the point of no return on that,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

2016-03-10 Thread jimmy wales
from my Samsung device Original message From: George Herbert <george.herb...@gmail.com> Date: 2016/03/10 9:49 AM (GMT+00:00) To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation? > On Mar 10, 2016, at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

2016-03-10 Thread jimmy wales
media-l] Fwd: A conversation? ...this is about that mail of yours to James that was going to be published, right? On 10 March 2016 at 11:01, jimmy wales <jimmywa...@ymail.com> wrote: > > > Indeed George I agree with everything you have said about the internal > effects of lack of transpar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Easier browsing of Board minutes, agendas, etc., plus summaries

2016-03-09 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 3/9/16 4:29 AM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > This strikes me as highly significant: > Frieda surely knew that the vote would be successful, and that she would > then be faced with serving alongside a colleague who she had publicly > opposed. I do not know Frieda at all, but this strikes me as an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-09 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 3/5/16 3:07 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > I don't see it as a sign of strength to abdicate your responsibility in > this way. There are at least two things I disagree with about this remark - one that seeking the advice and participation and buy-in of those best placed to give it is in some way

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-09 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 3/5/16 8:28 AM, Chris Sherlock wrote: >> In it's decision making capacity, the Board should: >> >> * Select, evaluate and (if necessary) remove the Executive Director; > > Whilst I'm sure that C-level managers are up to the task, that's rather > abrogating the responsibility of the Board.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FLOSS for operations equipment

2016-03-21 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 3/22/16 12:15 AM, James Salsman wrote: > Is there a list of equipment that WMF uses without viable FLOSS > alternatives, please? Since the context here is t-shirts, I think we can understand Coren's remarks in a very broad context, and so of course he's right. We might choose to only do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-23 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 3/22/16 6:18 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > Hey Jimmy, thanks for this commitment. I would definitely be interested. > Were you successful in getting clarity? Still waiting to see if the board allows another board member to publish something that will then allow me to publish further. But I did

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-19 Thread Jimmy Wales
I think all will be clear by Monday. Maybe sooner, but I'm not promising any sooner. On 3/10/16 12:13 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:51 AM, SarahSV wrote: >> >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:42 PM, John Mark Vandenberg >> wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] “For Cause”

2016-05-05 Thread Jimmy Wales
:09, James Heilman wrote: Following my removal from the WMF board, Jimmy Wales publicly stated “But in this case, it isn't relevant as this was a removal for cause.--Jimbo Wales <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales>(talk <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wa

[Wikimedia-l] An example where search could be improved

2016-07-28 Thread Jimmy Wales
First, some context: I was in Philadelphia for the Democratic National Convention earlier this week, where I had been invited to speak (in a small side event) about connectivity and global development. I spoke about our work in the languages of the developing world, and made a point to say that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An example where search could be improved

2016-07-28 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 7/28/16 9:04 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > I think that depends on the skin used. When logged put (so with > default skin) I get a toolbar with the options to which your refer > hidden behind its "advanced search" option. Ah, that makes sense and is good. > I've made the former a disambiguation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An example where search could be improved

2016-07-28 Thread Jimmy Wales
t more right now. > Stay tuned! > > Thanks, > Dan > > [1]: > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2016-17_Q1_Goals#Discovery > [2]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125083 > [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okapi_BM25 > > On 28 Jul 2016 5:09 a.m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An example where search could be improved

2016-07-28 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 7/28/16 11:53 AM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > We recently had a huge amount of discussion about the importance of search, > on this list and elsewhere. My strong takeaway from that was, nobody > disagrees with the position you're advocating here, Jimmy - that our search > is problematic, and is worth

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject) - was Agenda for the November 13, 2016 Board Meeting

2016-11-13 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 11/13/16 5:57 PM, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > Jimmy > > You seem anxious to deflect my question by making an unfounded accusation > of distortion. I'm afraid you have misunderstood me. It is never appropriate to quote part of a conversation when the issue is broader. The board welcomes

[Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-25 Thread Jimmy Wales
Today I announced a new initiative, outside of my Wikimedia activities, to combat fake news. It is important to me that I share directly with all of you information about this new initiative early on. The new project will use a wiki-style setup and experiment with bringing together professional

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding the endowment

2017-08-25 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 8/21/17 6:48 PM, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > I'm know that the WMF has determined that it should have some form of > endowment, The question is -- as is usual in question of this sort -- one > of balance: in this case, balance between current spending for the benefit > of the projects today,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Facebook Linked in some of Wikimedia projects

2018-02-28 Thread Jimmy Wales
Speaking only for myself, not as a member of the board, I don't know of any legal or other reason why this should not be done. I think we should be very careful about links or appearance of endorsement especially on article pages, but outreach to people in the world should take place wherever we