Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Positions open for strategy coordinator contractors.

2017-01-31 Thread John Erling Blad
In Scandinavia there are a bunch of closely related languages, they are often referred to as North Germanic Languages.[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Germanic_languages] Icelandic and Faroese language is often referred to as Insular Scandinavian, West Norwegian, or Old West Norse, and is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: Abraham Taherivand appointed permanent Executive Director

2017-01-30 Thread John Erling Blad
Ha ha! Now he must wear a neck tie every day! =D On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Anna Torres wrote: > On behalf of Wikimedia Argentina! Congrats Abraham! > > Hope to start working with you soon! > > Hugs! > > 2017-01-30 13:21 GMT-03:00 Sydney Poore

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread John Erling Blad
I for one would really, really, really like to see full backup of all data to servers outside USA, if necessary with anonymized contributors. A first step would be to store digests for the revisions on alternate servers, and make it possible to double check the validity of the content. That is, a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-18 Thread John Erling Blad
Add WMF-straff to a specific category, and make it possible to filter out users with a specific group within a category. Then forget the whole spreadsheet. Case closed. On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Vi to wrote: > AffCom has nothing to do with this kind of issue, most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2017-02-11 Thread John Erling Blad
Gerard, ... he has good points too, even if he is stubborn like a mule - like the rest og us! ;) 11. feb. 2017 19.49 skrev "Asaf Bartov" : > Hello, everyone. > > I share the opinion that moderation actions should be transparent. So: > > I have now placed Gerard Meijssen on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2017-02-13 Thread John Erling Blad
It is common to refer to those that cooperated with the Nazis during WWII as "kollaboratører" (kollaborators) in Norwegian too. https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kollaborat%C3%B8r Translating between languages are fun! =) John 13. feb. 2017 09.08 skrev "Jane Darnell" : … The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Berlin

2016-12-20 Thread John Erling Blad
Tenker på dere og de som ble berørt, det her var vondt å høre. Husk at dette er ikke religion, religion er kun brukt som en unnskyldning for vold. Thing about you and those involved, it hurts when I heard about it. Remember that this is not about religion, religion is only used as an excuse for

[Wikimedia-l] Termodynamics and social capital

2017-03-16 Thread John Erling Blad
Has anyone tried to use termodynamics on social capital within Wikipedia? Over investment in social capital and negative specific heat might create unstable systems, that is people will leave the community. There is a book on the topic; A Dynamic Balance: Social Capital and Sustainable Community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread John Erling Blad
There are a lot of languages where there are no neutral gender, or where there are a single male gender, or it can even be that the only neutral gender is used for things and animals. In German there is an expectation of gender-correct form. In Norwegian there is an expectation of a neutral form.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread John Erling Blad
Sorry to people from Bergen, girls from Bergen is masculine - "jenten". I wonder if we can blame that on the Germans, "mädchen" is neutrum, perhaps they messed up the local language during the Hansa-period. On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 10:49 PM, John Erling Blad <

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread John Erling Blad
I believe the best way to describe people is as accurately, and neutral as possible, following the grammatical and cultural rules within the community, and especially to address them as they chose themselves. Note that we use grammatical gender, we do not address people with sexual gender. On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-07 Thread John Erling Blad
The focus should not be what some users want to call other users, but on what users want to call themselves. " I cannot accept the status quo where some minorities feel excluded by our systems and policies, but I don't have to, as we are not standing still." Then I think you should reconsider.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

2017-04-16 Thread John Erling Blad
This year she has agreed to co-mentor a voice-interactive tutorial system > for instructing on the use of her project, with which we plan to > simultaneously coach speech pronunciation. > > On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:23 AM John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

2017-04-17 Thread John Erling Blad
in its early days, if you'd like to follow up with it please visit > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Expanding_Wikipedia_stubs_across_languages > > Best, > Leila > > > Leila Zia > Senior Research Scientist > Wikimedia Foundation > > On Sat,

[Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

2017-04-15 Thread John Erling Blad
Are anyone doing any work on automated quality assurance of articles? Not the ORES-stuff, that is about creating hints from measured features. I'm thinking about verifying existence and completeness of citations, and structure of logical arguments. John

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

2017-04-15 Thread John Erling Blad
ther automation. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 15 April 2017 at 23:50, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Are anyone doing any work on automated quality assurance of articles? Not > > the ORES-stuff, that is about creating hints from measured featur

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

2017-04-16 Thread John Erling Blad
consistency of English Wikipedia only, you only add to > > the current bias in research. > > > > When you want to know about the half life of an error, you can find in > the > > history when for instance a date was mentioned for a first time and find > > the same date in another l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

2017-04-16 Thread John Erling Blad
gt; When you study the consistency of English Wikipedia only, you only add > to > > > the current bias in research. > > > > > > When you want to know about the half life of an error, you can find in > > the > > > history when for instance a da

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

2017-04-16 Thread John Erling Blad
Sorry for the sprellig, I write this on a mobile with Norwegian spellchecker. Gerrards last question is about coverage, and bias, which is part of the overall quality for the project as such. Den søn. 16. apr. 2017, 19.22 skrev John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>: > I wrote a propo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-02 Thread John Erling Blad
> > Thanks > > Tito Dutta > > Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to > remind > > me over email or phone call. > > > > On 2 August 2017 at 19:35, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Nearly all Wik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread John Erling Blad
Without common core policies they can not claim that the projects stick within their boundaries. Is a project without a clear policy on "no original research", "verifiability" and "neutral point of view" Wikipedia? Is it enough to just say it is "Wikipedia" to be "Wikipedia"? I believe there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread John Erling Blad
umber, i.e. English, > will impose their rules to other communities. It's a basic fundamental > principle of Wikimedia projects since the beginning that every community is > independant, > > JP > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 6:19 PM John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread John Erling Blad
I used Wikipedia as an example, I would not expect core content policy from Wikipedia to be a good fit for Wikivoyage. Still Wikivoyage could have common ploicies on Meta the same way Wikipedia would do. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 12:53 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Wed,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread John Erling Blad
ch more difficult for small > communities. > > Strainu > > 2017-08-02 17:05 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>: > > Nearly all Wikipedia projects has virtually the same core content > policies, > > but with slightly different wording. Nearly all, be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread John Erling Blad
these will > get changed and the new policy will become via a forced cascade to the > communities. I for one could never support any process being created as a > means to take away from the community its own solutions > > On 3 August 2017 at 15:33, John Erling Blad <jeb..

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread John Erling Blad
not when they are common by > coincidence. > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of John Erling Blad > Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 1:06 PM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread John Erling Blad
e that project goes live, ince a > project is live it has to be allowed to develop its community. > > We already have the 5 pillars which are the basis for the projects, but > meta is not a place that the content creating community spends a lot of > time. > > On 3 August 2017

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-11 Thread John Erling Blad
dge then we need to be free as communities to address the > uniqueness of the knowledge we seek within the bounds of culture(language) > from which it originates > > > ​ > > > On 9 August 2017 at 04:12, Jean-Philippe Béland <jpbel...@wikimedia.ca> > wrote: > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-11 Thread John Erling Blad
No, _verifiability_ can't be different, but _acceptance_ of oral sources can be different. On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Jean-Philippe Béland <jpbel...@wikimedia.ca > wrote: > Verifiability can be very different. For example oral sources. > > JP > > On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 0

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-11 Thread John Erling Blad
M, Strainu <strain...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2017-08-08 12:20 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>: > > Policy should not have local variations, unless you want to create > > something different from Wikipedia. > > Each version of Wikipedia is a different

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-11 Thread John Erling Blad
t; > > the strategy of the movement into its third and fourth decades? Surely > > by > > > now there is a clear, concise and actionable agreed definition of > > knowledge > > > that we can point to when people ask what all that money has been and > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-08 Thread John Erling Blad
t; > > > knowledge are not globally agreed-upon and “objective” but local and > > very > > > > subjective. > > > > > > > > > > On 4 August 2017 at 10:18, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > The numbe

[Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-02 Thread John Erling Blad
Nearly all Wikipedia projects has virtually the same core content policies, but with slightly different wording. Nearly all, because a lot of the smaller lacks them, and a lot has outdated or only partial policies. It takes a lot of time to actually make them and keep them updated. Creating and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-07 Thread John Erling Blad
e” but local and very > > subjective. > > > > On 4 August 2017 at 10:18, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > The number of pillars depends on the language version... > > And whether some rules is called pilöar not dpes not seem to be pf much > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] machine translation

2017-05-02 Thread John Erling Blad
sable in "some" context. We translate a text for the purpose of republishing it. The text should be usable and easily readable in that language. On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > 2017-05-02 18:20 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's set up a Tor onion service for Wikipedia

2017-06-13 Thread John Erling Blad
Blocking a registered user on TOR is not different from blocking a registered user outside TOR. 5. jun. 2017 21.02 skrev "John" : > Im not going to violate BEANS, but even allowing accounts to edit without > further hurdles isn't going to work. Because of the anonymity

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread John Erling Blad
Thanks for the update! I guess people will support WMFs decisions in this case! John On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Juliet Barbara wrote: > Thank you, everyone, for your messages regarding the situation in Turkey. > As you can imagine, this has been a very busy time

Re: [Wikimedia-l] machine translation

2017-05-03 Thread John Erling Blad
ote: > 2017-05-02 21:47 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>: > > > Yandex as a general translation engine to be able to read some alien > > language is quite good, but as an engine to produce written text it is > not > > very good at all. > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Turn the extension for ContentTranslation off?

2017-05-03 Thread John Erling Blad
ou're talking about before taking > a position. Thanks! > > Best, > Lodewijk > > 2017-05-02 17:20 GMT+02:00 John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>: > > > Yes, I wonder if the extension for content translation should be turned > > off. Not because it is really ba

Re: [Wikimedia-l] machine translation

2017-05-03 Thread John Erling Blad
;> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Content translation with Yandex is also a problem in Bengali Wikipedia. > >>>> Some users have grown a tendency to create machine translated > >>>> meaningless > >>>> articles wit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] machine translation

2017-05-03 Thread John Erling Blad
ons. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> Pharos > > >>> > > >>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Bodhisattwa Mandal < > > >>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Content tr

[Wikimedia-l] Turn the extension for ContentTranslation off?

2017-05-02 Thread John Erling Blad
Yes, I wonder if the extension for content translation should be turned off. Not because it is really bad, but because it allows creating translations that isn't quite good enough, and those translations creates fierce internal fighting between contributors. Some people use CT, and makes fairly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Identified users

2017-09-18 Thread John Erling Blad
e poner > en riesgo la integridad física de las personas a tener un nombre real con > sus ediciones. > > Pero nuevamente repito, igual y soy yo que no he entendido correctamente > el punto. > > Gracias. > > El 17/09/17 a las 17:46, John Erling Blad escribió: > > In so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Identified users

2017-09-20 Thread John Erling Blad
n. Tagging of roles is also outside the scope of my question. On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:17 AM, MZMcBride <z...@mzmcbride.com> wrote: > John Erling Blad wrote: > >In some cases it would be a lot easier and/or better if it was possible to > >identify and not just authentica

[Wikimedia-l] Identified users

2017-09-17 Thread John Erling Blad
In some cases it would be a lot easier and/or better if it was possible to identify and not just authenticate an user. This could include such things as turning on real name for identified users, or limiting elevated rights to them, thereby avoiding renomination of banned users. In a lot of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Requiring the interlinking of accounts involved with paid editing

2017-09-13 Thread John Erling Blad
disclosed paid editor, you already per the terms of use are required > to state the intermediaries you are working through and thus you should > already be doing this. > > This proposal will actually help people find "white hat" paid editors who > properly disclose. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Requiring the interlinking of accounts involved with paid editing

2017-09-13 Thread John Erling Blad
Sorry, bad idea. Can't be done and will only lead to stalking and alienating users. (Or rather it can be done, but would imply leakage of identifiable information to such a degree that it would put the involved organizations on the front pages for weeks.) John Erling Blad /jeblad On Wed, Sep 13

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Requiring the interlinking of accounts involved with paid editing

2017-09-13 Thread John Erling Blad
) will start blocking accounts on this terms. Feel free to believe otherwise. On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 3:21 AM, Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net> wrote: > > > On 13 Sep 2017, at 22:19, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Sorry, but this is a horribly ba

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

2017-10-07 Thread John Erling Blad
it is time for reevaluating the role of WMF in this. I'm wondering if there should be a new board for WMF, unless they get a new chair themselves asap. Reorganize, solve the problems, and move on. No, I do not know any of the people involved. John Erling Blad /jeblad On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 3:11 PM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-09-06 Thread John Erling Blad
is exactly the same, url, date, author, title - > the > > > > refn template can include anything you need to add including license > > > detail > > > > ie cc-by all of which can be internal or external links > > > > > > > > On 28 August 2017 at 00:26, J

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-26 Thread John Erling Blad
1. The list gets popular 2. The list attracts people 3. The people sends emails 4. Other people reads emails with opinions 5. Other people don't want to read about other peoples opinions 6. Other people want to limit other peoples opinions 7. Admins starts to wonder how to limit emails 8. Admins

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-26 Thread John Erling Blad
some opinions > voiced in this thread indicate people want *more* admin action. > >A. > > On Aug 26, 2017 6:30 PM, "John Erling Blad" <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 1. The list gets popular > 2. The list attracts people > 3. The people sends emails > 4.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-08-27 Thread John Erling Blad
ext licensed cc-by content > within articles > > On 27 August 2017 at 21:28, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > In some cases we need to attribute content created on external sites, and > > reused on Wikimedia-sites. In Norway Åndsverksloven says "The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-08-27 Thread John Erling Blad
gt; On 27 August 2017 at 22:22, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Use of a template does not accurately identify the copied text, and in > this > > case nor the author. > > > > The license is the contract with the author and the reason why the text

[Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-08-27 Thread John Erling Blad
lve the problem, or is it just another level that makes things more confusing? John Erling Blad ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

2017-10-11 Thread John Erling Blad
For the moment I have virtually zero trust in all involved, including the wmf board. Reorganize and regain trust! John Erling Blad On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:28 PM, Natacha Rault <n.ra...@me.com> wrote: > Hi Maria, thank you. > > Personnally, and as an engaged feminist in re

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

2017-11-30 Thread John Erling Blad
content but our community, > and I am glad to see that many have already responded to you in such a > measured and polite way. > > Peace, > > Markus > > > On 30.11.2017 09:55, John Erling Blad wrote: > > Licensing was discussed in the start of the project, as in start of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

2017-11-30 Thread John Erling Blad
Just to make it clear; the discussions at the dev-project was in April-May 2012, linking of wd-items on site late in 29 October 2012 (actually 29. October), Danny told us about his new Google job in January 2013. I believe someone must have gotten this backwards.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

2017-11-30 Thread John Erling Blad
You can copyright an expression about facts, but you can't copyright the facts. In some jurisdictions a collection of facts can be given a special protection, but still the individual facts are not protected. >>A single property licensing scheme would allow storage of data, >>it might or might

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A fundraising banner we'd like to try in a short test

2017-11-15 Thread John Erling Blad
What kind of reasonably new device has that kind of resolution? On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 12:41 PM, wrote: > Patrik, try it on a 640x480 screen. :P > > On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:06 pajz wrote: > > > > > > > This test would run for 1 to 2 hours, and then we'd

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2017-12-30 Thread John Erling Blad
As I recall, communication with newcomers by templates was found to be a negative factor. Jeblad Den lør. 30. des. 2017, 16.58 skrev Jonathan Cardy < werespielchequ...@gmail.com>: > Hi Amir, > > It isn't too late to ask about the utility of welcome messages, but be > aware that there are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2017-12-30 Thread John Erling Blad
uld at least some parts be > >> reused > >> across languages in a robust and properly localizable manner? > >> * Is the talk page really a good place to do this? > >> * How useful is it for people for people who come from another language > >> and > >&

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2017-12-29 Thread John Erling Blad
ail.com>: > > > Have you asked the user how the finding the users? > > Have you considered other steps than just jumping to mailing list? > > Where are the complaints from the other users to show this is a long > > running issue? > > > > On 29 December 20

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2017-12-29 Thread John Erling Blad
long > running issue? > > On 29 December 2017 at 19:20, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Users on other projects are complaining about the welcome messages at > > arwiki. A bot at that project are welcoming people that has no activity > at > > that p

[Wikimedia-l] Siamese networks and image classification

2018-01-14 Thread John Erling Blad
is like a fingerprint, and those fingerprints can be compared to other images with known fingerprints, or against a generalized fingerprint for a category. John Erling Blad ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Siamese networks and image classification

2018-01-15 Thread John Erling Blad
Commons mailing lists regarding this idea. You might also > make a suggestion in IdeaLab > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab>. > > Pine <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CatherineMunro/Bright_Places> >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Siamese networks and image classification

2018-01-24 Thread John Erling Blad
having a little trouble with understanding your email from January > 15th. Could you perhaps state your question or point in a different way? > > Pine <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CatherineMunro/Bright_Places> > > On M

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2018-01-25 Thread John Erling Blad
inside their > provider data (because put in the end of a small group of people is > "enough") or that the disaggregated information of CU activity is not > public for the majority of platforms... but someone cares so much if they > receive a welcoming message by bot when the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2018-01-24 Thread John Erling Blad
If it has been discussed before, then it would be nice if someone can provide a pointer to that discussion. Den ons. 24. jan. 2018, 11.29 skrev Joseph Seddon : > This conversation started in the middle of the Christmas break following > which I suspect many staff took

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2018-01-25 Thread John Erling Blad
I can't see that T42006 is relevant in this case. It is about abusive use of a bot, not about creation of the central account in itself. The existence of a central account leads to creation of the local account. This is probably acceptable. Then this may lead to the abusiv behavior, ie exposing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2019

2018-02-09 Thread John Erling Blad
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bybrunnen#Wikimania_2019 On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Sami Mlouhi wrote: > Congratulations Wikimedia Sweden ! > > > 2018-02-08 20:07 GMT+01:00 Tanweer Morshed : > > > Congratulations Wikimedia Sverige!

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread John Erling Blad
: > I think the request for such projects should come from the concerned > language projects, same for the list of articles. If not, in my simple > opinion, it is a form of coloniasm again. > > Jean-Philippe Béland > Vice President, Wikimedia Canada > > > On Sat, Feb 24,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread John Erling Blad
plicitly requested not to be involved / > have translations from TWB. > > James > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 7:59 AM, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > You can turn it around; give added credits for translations from small > > language projects a

[Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread John Erling Blad
This discussion is going to be fun! =D A little more than seventy Wikipedia-projects has more than 65k articles, the remaining two hundred or so are pretty small. What if a base set of articles were opened for paid translators? There are several lists of such base sets. We have both the thousand

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread John Erling Blad
nslate into Chinese. > There the students translate and than their translations are reviewed by > their profs before being posted. They translate in groups using hackpad to > make it more social. > > I am currently working to re invigorate the project :-) > James > > O

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread John Erling Blad
anguages > translation project. I could use some help drafting guidelines for how to > make priorities for what to translate given limited resources. > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 7:51 AM, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > This discussion is going to b

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread John Erling Blad
, as the number of editors that can handle those will be pretty small. In particular: Do not believe you can turn a teanslator into a new editor! You can although turn an existing editor into a translator. On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:34 PM, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > 1) You m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread John Erling Blad
necessity if the purpose is to create local communities in the different languages. Think globally, act locally! On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:51 PM, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > This discussion is going to be fun! =D > > A little more than seventy Wikipedia-projects h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread John Erling Blad
of articles. If not, in my simple > > opinion, it is a form of coloniasm again. > > > > Jean-Philippe Béland > > Vice President, Wikimedia Canada > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 9:40 AM John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread John Erling Blad
tached from reality: there's no "encaustic painting" > in > > Sicilian, still a Sicilian article about Leonardo will invent one. > > > > As a general principle we should always collect, rather than create, > > knowledge. > > > > Vito > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread John Erling Blad
language spoken by >> 40 million people in Eastern India. The amazing thing is that for many of >> these topics this is the first and only information online about it. >> Google >> translate does not even claim to work in this language. Our partnerships >> with WMTW and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread John Erling Blad
> I think the request for such projects should come from the concerned > language projects, same for the list of articles. If not, in my simple > opinion, it is a form of coloniasm again. > > Jean-Philippe Béland > Vice President, Wikimedia Canada > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread John Erling Blad
language totally detached from reality: there's no "encaustic painting" in > Sicilian, still a Sicilian article about Leonardo will invent one. > > As a general principle we should always collect, rather than create, > knowledge. > > Vito > > 2018-02-24 16:30 GMT+

[Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2017-12-29 Thread John Erling Blad
Users on other projects are complaining about the welcome messages at arwiki. A bot at that project are welcoming people that has no activity at that project at all. The bot operator claims the activity is valid, but I can't see that this is a well-behaving bot at all.[1] I suspect the bot is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2 millions articles for the French Wikipedia

2018-07-08 Thread John Erling Blad
Congratulations from Norway! *NOTICE: This message is not confidential or legally privileged in any way! ;) On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 6:14 PM Eileen Hershenov wrote: > Congratulations > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 1:36 AM Thierry Coudray wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > La grande nouvelle du jour

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-11 Thread John Erling Blad
This is slightly more complex. Some projects have a very large and steady decline, especially in new contributors,[1] while some projects have an increase, especially in the established users group.[2] Why it is so is not clear at all, but some editors favor an idea that other sites like Facebook

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-11 Thread John Erling Blad
I wonder if some of the problem is that we have made a mash-up of policies and guidelines on the same pages, thereby making it very hard for newcomers to figure out what they must know and all the stuff that is simply nice to know. Take a look at Verifiability at enwiki. [1] How much of this is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-03-01 Thread John Erling Blad
That is a very good example! On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Harald Haugland wrote: > This thread brought me to think of an article I wrote on Norwegian > Wikipedia about a year ago. It was about the Allex Project (African > Languages Lexical Project), a project where

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-03-01 Thread John Erling Blad
There are something similar to paid translations in what you may call prioritized articles. That is articles that are so important for a language that they should be written, no matter whether they exist in a larger language. For example in the Northern Sami Wikipedia there should be an article

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-03-04 Thread John Erling Blad
You guys are making the whole idea way to complex. There should be no editorial board. That goes against the whole wiki-way of doing things. There should be no additional foundation, that makes the whole idea unmanageable. It will also cost way more than the gain. Make thing DarnSimple™! A single

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-03-04 Thread John Erling Blad
person within the local community, to accept the translation as valid and good enough. After it is ticked off as "done" further payment of that specific article will stop. On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 11:27 AM, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > You guys are making

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-03-04 Thread John Erling Blad
Using a term from another language while creating an article and then later localizing that term isn't that difficult, and should not be described as impossible. What it does although identifies a problem with our current production system; it is easy to move an article, but it is not easy to make

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-03-05 Thread John Erling Blad
We do need better tools to curate the existing articles, but that is not a blocker for new ways to create and edit articles. For example, what if we could simply select a sentence, create a query on some search engine, and then have an ai-bot crawl the result to see if one of the hits can be used

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-26 Thread John Erling Blad
ranslation. If we open up for creative brainstorming > > (among the ones having the need) I think very many other ways can turn > up. > > Myself I am deeply impressed what you can create using Wikidata as a base > > source of info, and being from a version of type 3 I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-27 Thread John Erling Blad
text of a sister Wikipedia. > > We can do a better job by providing the sum of all knowledge that is > available to us. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 25 February 2018 at 15:16, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Sorry, but this does not make sense. Th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-25 Thread John Erling Blad
> practical reasons, English is the most common translation source [1], but > translating from French, Russian, Chinese, or other languages, is awesome > for diversity—not just politically, but philosophically as well.) > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CXStats > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-25 Thread John Erling Blad
y for free CC-4 OCW degrees) > > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:49 PM, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > It is a long time since everyone on these projects were solely > volunteers. > > :) > > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 9:40 PM, Tod

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-25 Thread John Erling Blad
with different > languages. For languages mainly spoken as first language the "sharing > knowledge" aspect is predominant, while the second should take precedence > in languages whose speakers are native speakers of a "bigger" language. > > Vito > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-25 Thread John Erling Blad
Not sure what you mean by common search terms, but if it is about direct translation of search terms to get good SEO ranking it is outside what I'm talking about. That area will vanish completely in a coupe of years. I've replied about medical articles previously, and why this isn't an area where

[Wikimedia-l] Captioning Wikidata items?

2018-09-26 Thread John Erling Blad
the highly specialized rdf2vec algorithm (hello Copenhagen) and verifying the stateful language model (hello Helsinki and Tromsø). I wonder if the only real problems are what do the community want, and what is the acceptable error limit. John Erling Bl

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