Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediach-l] red cross

2014-07-06 Thread Lilburne
On 04/07/2014 09:37, Andy Mabbett wrote: On Jul 4, 2014 7:55 AM, Frédéric Schütz sch...@mathgen.ch wrote: Their main worry seems to be how do we make sure that people do not use the pictures in a way we're not happy with That question qualifies as frequently asked; my usual answer is to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Awareness of Wikipedia and its usage patterns in Israel

2014-12-24 Thread Lilburne
Perhaps they need education on the inherent biases. http://wikipediocracy.com/2014/12/24/wikipedia-all-murdered-israeli-children-are-murdered-by-arabs/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-12 Thread Lilburne
On 12/01/2015 20:59, Andreas Kolbe wrote: As for the fundraiser's duration, I believe the 2014 fundraiser ran for 30 days (December 2 to December 31, 2014). This is longer than last year, and at any rate much longer than 2012, right? You need to get the most out of the Goose as it nears the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-05 Thread Lilburne
your complaint about the John Dee article, there is an opportunity for you. You claim to know the subject matter. Thanks, GerardM On 5 April 2015 at 12:06, Lilburne lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net mailto:lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net wrote: On 05/04/2015 06:36, Gerard Meijssen wrote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-05 Thread Lilburne
On 05/04/2015 06:36, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Reliable is not an absolute. Wikipedia is in the final analysis an encyclopaedia. It is not original research. One can indeed engage in original research by cherry picking the sources. Studies have indicated that Wikipedia is as reliable as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-05 Thread Lilburne
On 02/04/2015 02:54, Mike Godwin wrote: Andreas writes: Prominent organisations campaigning for a free and open web very strongly disagree with your view. I said there are no facts, and you responded by citing opinion pieces. That's cool, but opinions are not themselves facts. Furthermore, in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 133, Issue 17

2015-04-05 Thread Lilburne
On 05/04/2015 14:13, Mike Godwin wrote: Lilburne writes: My friends and colleagues at EFF, Access Now, and elsewhere -- as well as individual scholars and commentators like Marvin Ammori -- know me, Those will all be Google shills correct? Incorrect. My work, and EFF's work, to take two

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FindArticles.com died in 2012

2015-06-30 Thread Lilburne
On 30/06/2015 10:58, Ricordisamoa wrote: Il 30/06/2015 11:41, Lilburne ha scritto: The average lifespan of a webpage is about 77 days. It matters not whether the site is still running or dead. Webmasters shuffle stuff about and delete things at will. Click on the random article button and see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FindArticles.com died in 2012

2015-06-30 Thread Lilburne
The average lifespan of a webpage is about 77 days. It matters not whether the site is still running or dead. Webmasters shuffle stuff about and delete things at will. Click on the random article button and see a) how many of the first 10 have external links, and b) how many of those links are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does Foundation have 3rd party standing against Harald Bischoff?

2015-07-29 Thread Lilburne
On 29/07/2015 09:01, Petr Kadlec wrote: Really? Neither the word instititution nor third party [website] appear in the text of the CC license, so on what exactly do you base this very specific distinction just so narrowly fitting our behavior (no image attribution within articles, only on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] harald bischoff advertising to make images for the wikimedia foundation and then suing users

2015-07-21 Thread Lilburne
On 21/07/2015 08:00, rupert THURNER wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Lilburne lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net wrote: On 20/07/2015 19:38, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 20 July 2015 at 18:09, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: it is also hard for me to get behind the notion of punishing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] harald bischoff advertising to make images for the wikimedia foundation and then suing users

2015-07-20 Thread Lilburne
On 20/07/2015 19:38, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 20 July 2015 at 18:09, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: it is also hard for me to get behind the notion of punishing someone for demanding that reusers due the things that Commons actually recommends that they do. It's not a question of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-29 Thread Lilburne
out of 10 gas stations delivered Gasoline from the Diesel pump? On 29/11/2015 10:38, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, More FUD. Poisonous how? Thanks, GerardM On 29 November 2015 at 11:33, Lilburne <lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net <mailto:lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net>> wrote: On 2

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-29 Thread Lilburne
On 29/11/2015 09:42, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Wikidata is a wiki and, you seem to always forget that. > > The corruption of data .. how? Each statement is its own data item > how do you corrupt that? As I say so often, when you get a collection > that is 80% correct you have an error rate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-29 Thread Lilburne
On 29/11/2015 00:37, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, It was from the Myanmar WIkipedia that a lot of data was imported to Wikidata. Data that did not exist elsewhere. I do not care really what "Freedom House" says. I do not know them, I do know that the data is relevant and useful It was even the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2016-01-10 Thread Lilburne
On 10/01/2016 04:04, Comet styles wrote: Jimmy has always been biased so I personally won't trust his words but the way this is playing out, its like James somehow revealed the pass codes to the WMF Nuclear launch codes or something...did he? A board made up to govern a community driven project

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are articles being deleted?

2016-06-26 Thread Lilburne
On 25/06/2016 06:49, Mitar wrote: Hi! I am an occasional editor of Wikipedia, I read it a lot, I edit sometimes, and I am at all not familiar with bureaucracies and rules Wikipedia community has developed through years (call me lazy, but they simply always look too scary and too many for me to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

2016-01-27 Thread Lilburne
On 27/01/2016 21:04, Andreas Kolbe wrote: On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: Thank you, Arnnon! Indeed. Thank you, Arnnon, and best wishes to you. This is a reminder that very little touched by Google remains untainted, in the UK we hope that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-26 Thread Lilburne
On 26/01/2016 20:27, Pine W wrote: While I realize that staying on may be your personal preference, I believe that for the good of WMF and for our collective movement, you should resign. A quote from history would have been more succinct: http://quotationsbook.com/quote/29200/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] US Copyright Law Forces Wikimedia to remove Public Domain Anne Frank Diary

2016-02-16 Thread Lilburne
On 16/02/2016 18:39, Lodewijk wrote: If we were publishers trying to make a buck out of selling the work, I would agree with you, and move on. However, that is not what we want to do as a movement. We don't try to take advantage, but we want to build upon works. We want to collaborate and stand

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

2016-03-01 Thread Lilburne
On 29/02/2016 22:10, George Herbert wrote: Just to confirm, all Jimmy's email in these threads were in my Gmail spam folder when I looked. If you're using Gmail, go look at the spam folder and bring his messages back in... Perhaps that is the penalty for attempting to compete with search

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Sweden loses copyright suit

2016-04-05 Thread Lilburne
acknowledge and reflect this correction. Thank you, Sam On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Lilburne <lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net <mailto:lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net>> wrote: Its not "a large-scale online database" per se. Its the commercial aspect of it that is at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-01-02 Thread Lilburne
On 02/01/2017 00:52, Pine W wrote: (: I think that Legal could at least describe in general terms what they are currently doing and have plans to do in the near future. If it turns out that the answers are "we aren't doing much and we aren't planning to do more", then yes, asking the higher-ups

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-20 Thread Lilburne
e to do. You'd have to be insane to do that. Todd On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Lilburne <lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net <mailto:lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net>> wrote: > On 19/12/2016 16:45, David Gerard wrote: > >> For various reasons

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-20 Thread Lilburne
bility for anything a user of your site might choose to do. You'd have to be insane to do that. Todd On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Lilburne <lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net <mailto:lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net>> wrote: On 19/12/2016 16:45, David Gerard wrote: For

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-19 Thread Lilburne
On 19/12/2016 16:45, David Gerard wrote: For various reasons * I follow music industry news. One drum the record industry has been beating *hard* in the past year is attempts to reduce the DMCA "safe harbor" provisions in order to squeeze more money from YouTube. It's been a running theme

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-21 Thread Lilburne
On 21/12/2016 02:53, Newyorkbrad wrote: I think it might be useful to focus on how any of the proposed changes to the law would affect Wikipedia/Wikimedia specifically, apart from the broader philosophical discussion. Is there a good link for exactly what changes to the safe harbor laws are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-06 Thread Lilburne
For the last 12 years Flickr have a system where people can click on a link and get the HTML or BBCODE that properly attributes the image along with the link to the license and all the rest of the requirements for the CC license. Why can't commons do the same? Otherwise its not hard to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-07 Thread Lilburne
It probably isn't fair. But then again without actually contacting the copyright holder the CC licenses are nothing more than a indicator that reuse may be OK. Then when you get into chains of derivatives you are in a world of pain. Websites are particularly prone to fouling up the licenses.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-07 Thread Lilburne
On 07/03/2017 02:24, James Forrester wrote: On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 at 18:14 Lilburne <lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net <mailto:lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net>> wrote: For the last 12 years Flickr have a system where people can click on a link and get the HTML or BBCODE that properl

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-07 Thread Lilburne
On 06/03/2017 06:37, Gergő Tisza wrote: On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Todd Allen wrote: I'm not a German speaker, and I know context and nuance can be lost in machine translation. That being said, the one about someone who was offering attribution and then got slapped