Quim Gil wrote:
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The proposed concept called collections,
Now the project has a different working name: Gather
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gather
Thanks, good to know.
doesn't really leverage the fact that we already have
(collections) because it's a lot easier to make your own thing than
improve someone else's. This development anti-pattern has unfortunately
become fairly predictable, but it remains pernicious.
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much else. It's the Internet, after all, and anyone can edit. Under the
current scheme, the best we can do is try to revert and prevent bad
behavior alone. Attempting to ban individuals has proved impossible.
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to the super-bad is prudent or helpful,
particularly when it means degrading community autonomy.
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of the four groups mentioned (Communications and Legal Community
Advocacy)? Publishing slides is better than nothing, I suppose, but it
seems strange to not hold a formal quarterly review for these two teams.
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a year kind of thing.
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short-term and long-term impact to Wikimedia wikis?
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Fabrice Florin wrote:
I will also manage a range of movement communications tasks previously
handled by Tilman Bayer, who is transitioning to the WMF Product team as
Senior Analyst.
This is fantastic news. Congrats, Tilman!
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to 2.8 million accounts seems like it could create a flood.
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[*] Just as a side note, tracking users also comes up in the context of
trying to determine the number of unique page views for Wikimedia wikis.
There are values and principles questions at play, on a global scale.
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In answers to questions on Quora, Jimmy Wales responded to some of the
points from my earlier mailing list reply. (I didn't post any questions,
including the questions linked below, to Quora.) A page on Meta-Wiki
collecting information about this lawsuit might be nice to have.
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pajz wrote:
MZMcBride,
[...]
I'm curious about this as well. I see that source code is mentioned at
https://tools.wmflabs.org/otrsreports/index.html, but I didn't see a
link off-hand. If a code repository exists somewhere that people could
contribute to, it might be nice to add a link
/pipermail/wikitech-l/2015-January/080171.html
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discussing here.
But more to your point about hiring cheaper labor, we don't know if a
popular tool means that the approach taken was the best or should be
sustained. We ideally want scalable, sustainable, and secure tools. I'm
pretty wary of the idea that we could easily outsource this work.
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though I personally find this view pretty disrespectful. Are you seriously
suggesting that if Philippe said no, I'd rather not be involved this
time that he would be forced? What would that say about his boss?
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on logging[_userindex].log_action, even a large table such as
logging shouldn't be too awful to query for this information. If you have
queries that are taking a very long time, we should probably investigate.
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leader in this effort. We are near completion in this planning,
and I look forward to sharing more information with you all next Tuesday.
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specifically intended to fund annual plans of other organizations, but I'm
struggling to find a clear definition on Meta-Wiki at the moment.
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Hi.
This op-ed by Andrew Lih appeared in today's New York Times. I'm sending
it here in case anyone is interested in reading or discussing it. I
enjoyed the piece; congrats to Mr. Lih on getting this published!
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/opinion/can-wikipedia-survive.html
(English) has an article.
And https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q918113#sitelinks-wikipedia tracks
which other Wikipedias have similar articles. :-)
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investigated what the e-mail was about.
The text of the e-mail I received is pasted below.
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Bonjour MZMcBride,
L’équipe Recherche de la Fondation Wikimédia (Wikimedia Research)
travaille actuellement sur l’identification d’articles populaires et
importants[1] dans certaines
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This story about an art exhibit opening in New York on Thursday is pretty
neat. A Wikipedian has been working for years to create a print version of
Wikipedia, described as half utilitarian data visualization project, half
absurdist poetic gesture
. Hopefully we'll have photos of the project on
Wikimedia Commons soon.
Related reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Size_in_volumes.
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to have this feed in their inbox. But the opt-in,
open, and public nature of this list is such that people who are (overly!)
involved with Wikimedia are quite often subscribed.
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is actually
softer than I thought (it is recommended instead of a hard requirement).
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that Wikimedians sat down
and discussed user groups. ;-)
Problems of the past like VE deployment schedule, and the upcoming Commons
reform could profit of the sit-and-talk approach.
Like Jane, I'm curious what you mean by Commons reform. Can you please
elaborate?
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account, did you seriously just suggest
that stewards would try to go around randomly super-protecting pages
instead of simply removing admin rights from the compromised account? I'm
boggling pretty hard at your reply here.
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at news to read that "superprotection" is dead! Erik brought an
invaluable amount of good to Wikimedia, but that mis-feature was
unequivocally bad. Personally, I think it was more of an albatross than a
red herring. ;-) Good riddance.
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Forwarding this to wikimedia-l as it doesn't seem to be very technical in
nature, but definitely seems worthy of discussion.
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Danny Horn wrote:
>For a while now, the Collaboration team has been working on Flow, the
>structured discussion system. I want to let you know abou
r why the previous work has failed and what will be better next time.
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nsequently, it seems most prudent to be asking what went wrong
and how it will be better next time. The underlying reality is that we
still need a better on-wiki discussion system and it now looks like
neither LiquidThreads nor Flow are going to be it.
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planning for Montreal
started in 2010 for an eventual 2017 bid. However, you continue on to
write that it's wasted effort if a bid fails in a particular year.
Wouldn't failed bids be re-usable in subsequent years?
My guess is that sponsors and venues are capable of understand
teers, would go far toward a more sustainable fund-raising model.
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g much smaller and faster paid ad campaigns?
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en expand in-your-face banners as far as they can,
>and only stop once their sites are quite difficult to use. It happens
>gradually (I'm looking at you, Wikia ;) but the result is the usability
>equivalent of linkrot. Let's not let WP end up like that.
I d
mes to the
rescue: <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IEP> and
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IEG>. Maybe we should start selling
decoder rings.
Acronyms and abbreviations are fine, especially in a long document, but at
minimum the first reference should always be spelled out.
MZMc
undation's responsibilities, keeping the sites
running fast, reliably, and securely, is being appropriately handled.
The world continues to be able to read and contribute to our shared free
content and for that I'm grateful. The rest is commentary, as they say.
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Google.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 08:02, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
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Source: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Permalink/699004139>.
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information related to this removal, but it seemed remiss to omit an
official statement from the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees on the
subject, especially when we have already included a number of other
statements from individual trustees and the Board in this thread.
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e a plan of
action, write the necessary code, and get it deployed. But for now, it
seems pretty silly to try to give credit for essentially having a group of
people vote on Phabricator Maniphest tasks.
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my mind, he's the person
likely able to speak most freely about this removal and probably is more
familiar with it than most. For now, he seems to have chosen not to say
very much. Others involved in the removal likely can't (or maybe won't)
say much more, which of
rising vote,
it was a nearly unanimous decision (8 to 1). I have a good deal of respect
for many of the current Board of Trustees members and I have no doubt that
all of them understand and appreciate the gravity of removing a colleague.
This wasn't a close vote and to me that says quite a bit.
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long-time trusted and
respected Wikimedians and all of whom take their role seriously.
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Dariusz Jemielniak wrote:
>On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 2:37 PM, MZMcBride <z...@mzmcbride.com> wrote:
>>Or from a different angle: how is the Wikimedia Foundation budget
>>allocated? Does the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees currently do
>>its own direct allocation, b
data ::
Wikimedia Foundation : Wikipedia, right? If one organization is expected
to separate out costs for its largest technical project, shouldn't the
other be as well?
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Amir Ladsgroup wrote:
>The subject is self-explanatory (also I have this suggestion for
>blog.wikiquote.org and other projects as well)
>
>What do you think?
Hi.
Why? The request is self-explanatory, but the uses and use-cases are not
gt;strategic and annual planning, and the WMF’s approach to budget
>transparency (or lack thereof).
Sort of inline with the first question, but perhaps more direct: what
power does the Funds Dissemination Committee have over the amount of donor
money allocated toward the Wikimedia Foundation? Can
ical capacity and capability to add
more redirects. We already support a ton of them (donate.wikipedia.org,
careers.wikipedia.org, textbook.wikipedia.org, etc.), the question is
whether we want to add a small number of redirects to the pile.
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Wil Sinclair wrote:
>Thanks for bringing me up, MZMcBride; should get a lot more people to look
>at those IRC logs I was hoping to bring to everyone's attention.
I'm looking forward to your posts about the current and upcoming Wikimedia
Foundation strategic plans. That's why you came
trolling a
few Wikipedia-related IRC channels on freenode. Such productivity. :-/
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>compensation from it.
I can't help but think about the tempestuous past year that the Wikimedia
Foundation has had, including issues with Sue's immediate successor.
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member;
* strongly urge the Board of Trustees to be more transparent and
communicative, embracing the values that keep our projects running; and
* evaluate the process for filling community-selected Board of Trustees
seats, perhaps changing the seats to
e,
starting and continuing a tangential (meta-)discussion without changing
the subject line to create a new thread. We'll all strive indeed. :-)
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e a fast and dedicated stream for title prefix
searches. Apple's built-in Dictionary application has been the primary
consumer of this feed, though I believe it's open to anyone.
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s been
woven. My suspicion is that if you or others put in the time to thoroughly
document the connection between the two entities, you'd miraculously find
more than a single concern about a failed project, as your reply suggested.
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er>. By my
count, the Board of Trustees has passed six separate resolutions to
accommodate the Sloan Foundation's request to have a Board observer.
I agree with you that the current lack of openness and transparency
surrounding the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
ard>.
I think it would be nice to get clarification on the current status of the
Advisory Board before discussing ways to improve it.
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Yury Bulka wrote:
>MZMcBride <z...@mzmcbride.com> writes:
>> A few years ago, the Wikimedia Foundation switched over to the Google
>>Apps platform, which means that most e-mail sent on the wikimedia.org
>>domain is now hosted by Google.
>Are you sure? It doesn't look
unding this Knight Foundation grant? Or do you
know who at the Wikimedia Foundation would be the best/most appropriate
contact to figure this out? Geoff and the legal team? One of the
grants-related staff such as Janice? Any help would be appreciated!
MZM
MZMcBride wrote:
>Wes and Katherine: do you know what steps need to be taken in order to
>release the documents surrounding this Knight Foundation grant? Or do you
>know who at the Wikimedia Foundation would be the best/most appropriate
>contact to figure this out? Geoff and the leg
eed six legal counsels (not including the general
counsel and two legal directors), eight community liaisons, or a mobile
apps team? I'm sure these are all great people doing excellent work, but
when I see how much the Wikimedia Foundation staff has ballooned (and
frankly bloated), it makes me sad
y with the full grant agreement being published?
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then redistributed is a
huge matter. Are you suggesting we re-open that discussion?
The Croatian Wikipedia would be (re)started if LangCom approves it. We
have processes for both starting and closing Wikipedias.
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Thank you very much for creating and publishing this timeline, Molly. I
really appreciate that you built the timeline in a way that enables
tracking changes and allows for collaborative improvements. Well done!
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understand what you are doing. Please take my vote
>as a respectful record of my perplexity.
>
>(*)Citing community-born members only. Appointed members bring great
>perspective, but I do not expect them to know it all about Wikimedia
>community.
our best to answer all of them
>to your satisfaction.
I've e-mailed you privately.
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ously slowly and the Wikimedia Foundation is no exception in this
regard. My respect for the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation has only
grown seeing the restraint and maturity with which you all have acted.
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Jimmy Wales wrote:
>On 3/5/16 3:07 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
>> I don't see it as a sign of strength to abdicate your responsibility in
>> this way.
>
>There are at least two things I disagree with about this remark - one
>that seeking the advice and participation and buy-
Gergő Tisza wrote:
>On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 7:54 AM, MZMcBride <z...@mzmcbride.com> wrote:
>> Removing a roof without also having a plan for an interim roof is a
>>really amateur mistake.
>
>Not really if the roof was radioactive, and on fire.
The roof
mandated that anyone be able to do. With multiple copies of the data
on the Web, we're better ensuring that the content lives on in perpetuity.
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now noticed your use of community-selected here. I think
sometime this year, we should hold a community straw poll on Meta-Wiki
about changing the selection to an election. I think the Board of Trustees
needs to hear from the Wikimedia editing community about this issue.
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t obvious
question ("who will be the interim?") is pretty embarrassing and sad.
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s were the ones complaining for a
new roof, but it's the landlord's responsibility to have the roof replaced
in a professional and orderly way.
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r most variations of it that a
typical non-profit would enact would really be applicable here.
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The reply is vaguely related to the vacant seats; I imagine its contents
will be of interest to this list.
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ign to write articles about female scientists
>is only the most recent and prominent example illustrating that the
>audience is there.
This is somewhat tangential, but
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Temple-Wood> exists now. I personally
find this to be both unfortunate and potenti
wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Public_policy>.
At least the recent blog post was signed by Katherine. That's better than
some of these other essays.
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cnbc.com, and aol.com links all fail this test.
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Andy Mabbett wrote:
>On 3 February 2017 at 00:00, MZMcBride <z...@mzmcbride.com> wrote:
>> I guess this is referring to
>> <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/30/knowledge-knows-no-boundaries/>.
>
>There were speakers and delegates at Wikimania 2012, in Washington
oderators? Richard? Thehelpfulone?
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of them. These two templates are decent
attempts: <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Affiliates> and
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Affiliations_Committee>.
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for the person who began a discussion to then also close that discussion,"
you replied that "English Wikipedia policies do not apply here."
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for dessert. And even when many people do
agree that it's time for dessert, not everyone agrees with having pudding.
Or the flavor of the pudding. Or the means used to make and eat it.
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<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications_committee>.
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al vote, presumably
because there's a concern that a final vote would result in rejection of
this policy. Bleh.
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examples.
I'd like to see links to Gerrit changesets and Phabricator tasks where
this new policy and its committee would help. If you want to make claims
of serious unacknowledged problems, substantiate them with evidence. This
is exactly the same burden of proof you would expect from anyone else.
page:
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Values/2016_discussion/Synthesis>.
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This was an excellent reply and read. Thank you!
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* https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T29242
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<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct/Draft>.
It's plain to see in discussions like this that every support vote came
from Wikimedia Foundation employees or employees of another Wikimedia
affiliate (WMDE and WMFR). The opposing votes came
, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
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evious Executive Director resigned
after being forced out by her staff. In the context of the recent history,
this resolution is all the more puzzling.
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now greatly expanded the group of people who
can alter global policies. This is a pretty big and sudden shift.
To Lodewijk's point about consultation and notification, was/is the Board
of Trustees planning to announce this seemingly large and significant
change to the affected Wik
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