Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 26/06/2012 2:02 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been forced to censor a number of pages due to advertiser pressure. And thus is the wisdom of eschewing advertizement and sponsorship highlighted for all too see. I've always

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/07/2012 11:09 AM, Delirium wrote: 1) the sources really are *very* good in that case, not merely ok sources like newspaper articles; My own (admitedly radical) point of view is that popular media - and that includes newspapers nowadays - are not reliable sources at all in the first

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

2012-07-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/07/2012 3:23 PM, Theo10011 wrote: I would ask about a hypothetical, is someone's off-wiki opinion or behavior or even criminal past, grounds for a block? It may well be. Both for our protection and that of other editors. There are cases of real, dangerous persons using Wikipedia to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/07/2012 7:42 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: How would you deal with biographies of people like heads of state, who are subjects of serious academic study as well as daily news articles? There's nothing that prevents a subject from having an article in both namespaces. One can be seen as the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/07/2012 7:49 PM, David Gerard wrote: We could call it Wikinews. Arguably, that was the intent behind that project in the first place. That said, the news article format (as opposed to living prose) is demonstrably not what the readers want - they already voted with their browsers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No access to the Uzbek Wikipedia in Uzbekistan

2012-12-27 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 27/12/2012 5:54 AM, Anonymous User wrote: thank you again for your answers so far. I would have had hoped to have more voices participating, but everyone who did agreed that it should be done. I think this is the closest I've ever seen to universal support on Wikimedia-l ever. :-) --

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediaau-l] Sue Gardner interview on ABC Radio

2013-02-15 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 02/14/2013 07:52 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: Live stream now for me in Brisbane She did a stellar job! -- Coren / Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New proposal for a wiki Project!

2013-02-19 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 02/19/2013 03:08 PM, Victor Grigas wrote: Does language constrain our thinking? I think it does. Let's try to avoid starting a debate on the relevance of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis on-list? :-) -- Coren / Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

2013-02-20 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 02/20/2013 07:53 AM, Mathieu Stumpf wrote: I wonder how one may split education and politic as they are – in my humble opinion – deeply intertwinned. +1 Insightful Indeed, our Imagine slogan is -- fundamentally -- both highly political and quite radical (even in this age of easy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] xkcd collecting donations for WMF?

2013-04-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/01/2013 03:22 PM, Manuel Schneider wrote: Is this real? How can it tell how much has been donated to WMF through this comic? I see that there is a special campaign reference in the donation link but how can it fetch the amount? It is: http://samarium.wikimedia.org/ My understanding is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CFAAA+CALEA vs. SOPA+PIPA: the amortization

2013-04-13 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/13/2013 07:25 PM, James Salsman wrote: In short, the CFAA amendments alone would likely cost readers, editors, and the Foundation more than 500 times as much as SOPA or PIPA could have cost, under what I believe is a very reasonable set of assumptions. {{cn}} -- Marc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How gay friendly is Wikimedia and where do LGBT Wikimedians hang out?

2013-04-16 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/16/2013 04:48 AM, Mathieu Stumpf wrote: but I suppose that our project also attract more homophobic minds and so on. That has not been my experience. I think much of the perception of liberal bias is actually caused by the generally widespread acceptance of the average anglophone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How gay friendly is Wikimedia and where do LGBT Wikimedians hang out?

2013-04-16 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/16/2013 11:22 AM, Mathieu Stumpf wrote: However androcracy being a general society problem, I suppose you may expect to find that kind of comportement in our movement too. I'd actually in interested to see /comparative/ numbers. There's no question that, in absolute terms, there is a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in blacklist trouble again

2013-05-09 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/09/2013 07:19 AM, Anthony Cole wrote: We would be failing in our mission to disseminate educational information effectively and globally if, due to an ideological attachment to NOTCENSORED, we took the former option. You're saying this as though those things were orthogonal to each

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/11/2013 06:26 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: Let me repeat that: the WMF does not wish volunteers to help out with running their wiki, even if they have been helping out almost since the very start of the wiki. Tomasz, while it seems clear that communications about that move seem to have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/11/2013 12:41 PM, Seb35 wrote: At the same time, it’s a very bad timing of doing such a controversial action just before weekend, and let people wondering during two days the reasons behind this action. So waiting still 2 days.. Yes, IMO that was a faux-pas. This should have been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/12/2013 04:42 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: The most he could ask from you is a comment on how frequently you have to be the one pushing the button against the community. Again with this meme! Against the community. *NOBODY* works against the community. Sometimes, we do things that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanks for all the fish!

2013-06-07 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 06/07/2013 12:32 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: I thought to leave it quietly, with just a bit more than a few words to stewards and Wikimedia Serbia, but after the first question why I am leaving, I realized that I actually owe to many of you the explanation for leaving the movement after almost

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-11 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 06/11/2013 08:19 AM, Anthony wrote: Putting everything in a single database which can be accessed by a single developer is a choice. It is, also, the only *reasonable* choice given the resources at our disposal. I've contracted with CSIS in the past and had the immense pleasure of working

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Congratulations

2013-06-25 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 06/24/2013 06:03 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: My warm congratulations to the people chosen to the WMF board, and to the FDC positions, and also my thankfulness to those who were candidates. My congratulations to them, and also my thanks to Kat for her long years of dedicated service to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [tangential] Why voting is evil

2013-07-02 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/01/2013 06:38 AM, David Gerard wrote: tl;dr: voting creates winners and losers, and losers are unhappy and disengage. That piece is somewhat thought provoking, but amusingly naive. It starts from the presumption that individual decisions cannot impact the movement or the collective

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [tangential] Why voting is evil

2013-07-02 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/02/2013 11:13 AM, David Gerard wrote: He claims this is how he did the Pirate Party, so you appear to be claiming that a successful minor political party may work in practice but can't possibly work in theory. I suppose. :-) I'm surprised it did work; if it actually did it this way.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [tangential] Why voting is evil

2013-07-02 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/02/2013 11:42 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: Well, how would Marx feel? I'm pretty sure Marx also qualifies as amusingly naive, for much the same reasons. :-) -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-05 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/05/2013 01:07 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: No, sorry if I was misleading: decrease in relative numbers only. That's not surprising; someone with malice aforethought isn't going to be stopped by a captcha, someone who just though Hey, I'll correct that typo is likely to not want to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-09 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/09/2013 08:37 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: How is that not theft that we are facilitating? Because theft, is to deprive, temporarily or absolutely, the owner of it, or a person who has a special property or interest in it, of the thing or of his property or interest in it. In some jurisdiction,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/12/2013 07:10 AM, Eddy Paine wrote: Secondly we are a world wide organisation, and there are still enough countries where tats are not accepted yet. Then surely, we must err on the side of conservatism! Let's make certain that every woman on staff has a picture in a burka. -- Marc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] WMF response to PRISM?

2013-07-17 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/13/2013 01:00 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: The very first entry on prism-break is TOR, which is blocked on Wikimedia projects for editing, by explicit blocks and by the TorBlock extension, which is enabled on all wikis, even Chinese Wikipedia. That'd be easy to solve were it not for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About the concentration of resources in SF (it was: Communication plans for community engagement

2013-07-28 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/28/2013 11:46 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: So chapters can offer to help porting tools like this to Labs and ongoing maintenance of these tools? Is there a list of such tools that have been identified as needing paid support? It's probably worth nothing that WMDE has, in fact, already

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On the gentrification of Wikipedia, by Superbass (was: Visual Editor)

2013-07-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/29/2013 03:30 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: On German Wikipedia, our dear Superbass has contributed a short opinion piece on the principal resistance against the Visual Editor. I think that it should be withhold from you, and I hope that my translation transfers its wit. My poor German

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On the gentrification of Wikipedia, by Superbass (was: Visual Editor)

2013-07-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/29/2013 06:00 PM, Michael Snow wrote: achieving the sum of all human knowledge requires all humans to collaborate in it +1 This is particularly important as the quality of coverage decreases sharply as you stray further from the interests that coincide with the profile of current editors

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On the gentrification of Wikipedia, by Superbass (was: Visual Editor)

2013-07-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/29/2013 07:00 PM, David Gerard wrote: Are there any wikitext constructions that are actually going to be deprecated? I'm not privy to the architecture decisions, but I'm pretty sure that the absolute worst monstrosity is the possibility of opening markup in a (possibly deeply recursive

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On the gentrification of Wikipedia, by Superbass (was: Visual Editor)

2013-07-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/29/2013 10:02 PM, Rschen7754 wrote: If I'm reading this right, it *would* cause massive problems on the English Wikipedia Oh, it *would* if the syntax was just disabled outright! Now, if it were me that was in charge of fixing wiki markup, this is what I would do: (a) require that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On the gentrification of Wikipedia, by Superbass (was: Visual Editor)

2013-07-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/29/2013 11:10 PM, Risker wrote: which are used daily on hundreds of pages, and they serve a very important function. Yeah, but they are duct tape over weaknesses/flaws in wikimarkup, not a valuable feature. This revolves back to the difficulty in trying to pretend a talk page in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On the gentrification of Wikipedia, by Superbass

2013-07-30 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/30/2013 05:23 PM, James Forrester wrote: ​That'd be great, yes (and really easy to do using Parsoid's DOM) - we could do annotations, comments, content collapsing, etc. - but I can't see how it would work with wikitext in a way that would leave it sanely-editable for users. I'm not sure

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's have the courage to sit down and talk about VisualEditor

2013-07-31 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/31/2013 10:52 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: I think it would be helpful, if possible, to give some guesstimates of this, i.e.: how longer a wait it would cost us to reach some rank of quality if the deployment was downscaled; or, what would be the deadline for feedback on aspects X and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA

2013-07-31 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/31/2013 09:27 PM, Ryan Lane wrote: I would be fired and jailed before I knowingly let that occur. If this was the case I'd very surely not be working for Wikimedia Foundation. And very many of us live outside the jurisdiction of the entities that would be doing the monitoring and would be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disinformation regarding perfect forward secrecy for HTTPS

2013-08-02 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 08/02/2013 01:32 PM, James Salsman wrote: Padding each transmission with a random number of bytes, up to say 50 or 100, might provide a greater defense against fingerprinting while saving massive amounts of bandwidth. It would slightly change the algorithm used to make the fingerprint, not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disinformation regarding perfect forward secrecy for HTTPS

2013-08-02 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 08/02/2013 05:50 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: It seems from the context better tested meant something like people are using this in practice in real environments, not only automated testing. And, indeed, given the constraints and objectives of the Tool Labs (i.e.: no secrecy, all open source

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disinformation regarding perfect forward secrecy for HTTPS

2013-08-02 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 08/02/2013 08:15 PM, James Salsman wrote: No, that is not true, and http://www.ieee-security.org/TC/SP2012/papers/4681a332.pdf explains why. Padding makes it difficult but not impossible to distinguish between two HTTPS destinations. 4,300,000 destinations is right out. ... have you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and the politics of encryption

2013-09-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/03/2013 08:36 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: Any censor from the United States or European governments that works directly with us (I have no personal knowledge of this, I just know it has to be) is concerned with classified information, not someone's opinions or factual information about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and the politics of encryption

2013-09-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/02/2013 06:17 PM, Tim Starling wrote: OK, well there's one fairly obvious solution which hasn't been proposed or discussed. [collaborating with the PRC] That's because, ideologically, it would be abhorrent to a very large segment (possibly even the majority) of editors, staff and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and the politics of encryption

2013-09-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/03/2013 09:45 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: Abusive nonsense does not make that fact go away. Someone, actually, many someones, need to be trusted. Доверяй, но проверяй. I agree with your assessment of the risks of working with the PRC, I simply think that if you think that those risks do not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and the politics of encryption

2013-09-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/03/2013 12:33 PM, Delirium wrote: I certainly agree with learning from history, but when it comes to censoring encyclopedias or similar reference works, are there good examples that might more concretely narrow down the specific type of thing we ought to be learning from history? Not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

2013-09-05 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/05/2013 04:18 AM, Lars Gardenius wrote: That Wikipedia:Dispute resolution mirrors a very naive approach in a worldwide organization. It has never worked before and it doesn't work now. Where doesn't work is mostly defined as didn't give the result I demanded. I've been part of that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

2013-09-05 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/05/2013 11:49 AM, Lars Gardenius wrote: But if your child is mobbed at a Wiki when he/she tries to contribute, or your grandmother is being abused when she contributes to a Wiki, you want somewhere to turn. As said there is no such instance in the Wikis, there is noone responsible how

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who will host Wikimedia Conference 2014? Bidding process is open!

2013-09-18 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/18/2013 06:58 AM, Jon Davies wrote: Can we have it in that place that hosts Groundhog day? I fully intend to prepare a bid for Montreal to host this, once the requirements are made slightly clearer. I already have all the contacts with venues and government levels from my organization

Re: [Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo

2013-10-09 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/09/2013 03:09 AM, David Gerard wrote: Referring to John and Federico as these two individuals comes across as attempting to depersonalise and deprecate your opposition. I should expect the intent (and this is how it came across to me) is to not *personalize* the dispute by naming them.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

2013-10-23 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/21/2013 08:13 PM, MZMcBride wrote: On a typical site, paid staff would deal with problematic users. The obvious, and perhaps a bit trite, answer would be that we are most certainly not a typical site by any meaning of the term. :-) Seriously, however, I can understand why some current

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

2013-10-24 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/24/2013 09:37 AM, Risker wrote: Wow, Fae. Justwow. I think Fae was being highly ironic there. -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

2013-10-26 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/26/2013 10:00 AM, Florence Devouard wrote: 2) that WMF disclose private information about us (OTRS member for example) volunteers to other volunteers, who may not even be identified in the least (as in arbitration committee members) The members of the English Wikipedia Arbcom, at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/30/2013 11:20 AM, Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us {{cn}} I've heard that said very often (that 00:00 is somehow confusing to many people), but I've yet to actually see someone being actually confused by it. There is exactly one minute

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/30/2013 11:45 AM, Newyorkbrad wrote: It's simple enough to use 0001 instead of . It is, but if there /are/ in fact a large number of people being confused by it, then treating 00:00 as though it had special status by avoiding it will only *add* to that confusion rather than clarify the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/30/2013 11:51 AM, Newyorkbrad wrote: Time designations are human conventions, not laws of nature, and should be as clearly expressed as possible. Anyone who disagrees with me is free to state his or her opinion until today. That deadline has come and gone, as you well know. :-)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-16 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 11/13/2013 04:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Rectius: there *used* to be a bot (RevertBot, Lusumbot). The program https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/copyright.py has been stopped when search engines changed their limits and Lusum has been waiting for the WMF's Yahoo! BOSS

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-16 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 11/13/2013 04:41 PM, Tobias wrote: I think the community has done a very good job in the past 12 years when it comes to copyright. It is important to see that we are a community site – nothing is ever going to be perfect, and certainly we are not free of any copyright violations. But we are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 11/20/2013 07:13 AM, The Cunctator wrote: Yes, let's keep on pushing for policies that drive away editors! Let's be clear here: contributions that are copyright violations are not desirable to begin with. If someone is driven away because they cannot cut and paste from random websites

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 11/20/2013 11:59 AM, Michael Snow wrote: An essential part of collaboration is, after all, reviewing each other's work. From the terseness of the comment, it might be alluding to either aspect or both. That's actually an interesting question that has been lurking beneath all the editing is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 11/20/2013 01:06 PM, Richard Symonds wrote: Not quite: I would argue that anti-vandalism work is a gateway drug to the rest of the project. Just a hunch, though. I'm pretty sure that typo correction fills pretty much the same niche, though. -- Marc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 11/20/2013 01:13 PM, Michael Snow wrote: My general point is that opportunities for automation are best considered with our overall mission in mind, not just the speed or efficiency of a particular workflow. In certain situations, automation that creates more work rather than removing it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banner obscuring site interface

2013-12-10 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 12/10/2013 03:07 AM, David Gerard wrote: There's a whole site full of possible inspirations: And yet: Our donor services team haven't seen any negative emails about this banner. Moreover adding the floating tab results in an increase in donations of roughly 15%, one of the biggest

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banner obscuring site interface

2013-12-10 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 12/10/2013 10:01 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: https://twitter.com/nyatagarasu/status/405134111796240384 It's hard to know for sure, of course, but I'm pretty sure huge couldn't possibly refer to the minuscule floaty div MZMcBride refered to. :-) -- Marc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-08 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/08/2014 02:30 AM, MZMcBride wrote: Can anyone explain the relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk? The short of it: oDesk is indeed roughly the same kind of job board as freelancer.com and its ilk. The foundation is simply a client, and uses it only to pay its contractors and (most of)*

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-08 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/08/2014 11:07 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: The system itself is a little [suboptimal] It should go without saying (but may be worth clarifying) that this is my personal opinion from having suffered oDesk for a year and not that of the Foundation. :-) -- Marc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2014 scholarship now accepting application

2014-01-08 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/08/2014 12:37 PM, Katie Chan wrote: Only a single type of scholarship will be available from the Wikimedia Foundation for Wikimania 2014. I rather liked the idea of partial scholarships in past years since it would allow more people to attend on the same budget when practical. Can I ask

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-12 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/12/2014 10:57 PM, Tim Starling wrote: We could even allocate a row in the user table for them, which would be beneficial for various features that currently exclude anons due to the need to link to a user ID. What you're discussing is an unnamed user account that's implicitly created and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/13/2014 12:19 AM, Tim Starling wrote: Not as fast as revisions, and we seem to cope with those. Fair enough. So you'd implicitly create the user, track it by cookie? With some well designed UX this'd work well and hide IPs entirely (and allow users that do create an account to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/13/2014 10:14 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: Without publically displayed IPs for anonymous edits, people couldn't do that. That has, traditionally, been very much useless in practice. It's extraordinarily rare that abuse teams will even speak to checkusers, and they have some veil of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/13/2014 11:20 PM, Tim Starling wrote: The English Wikipedia edit rate has been declining since about January 2007, and is now only 67% of the rate at that time. A linear regression on the edit rate from that time predicts death of the project at around 2030. That's... come /on/ Tim!

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/13/2014 11:56 PM, Tim Starling wrote: Reversing the decline in editor population has been a major strategic priority of WMF for many years. My own opinion about how that decline isn't nearly as bad as some claim is well known. But also entirely besides the point: I was referring to that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-14 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/14/2014 02:18 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: Database-stored information on templates is where are those templates linked from, not and when were those links added (unless something has changed relatively recently) And even then that'd give dubious results. Some talk page get archived

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-14 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/14/2014 04:07 PM, Tilman Bayer wrote: but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that they still achieved a good approximation. I'd wager that what they have gotten might be a poor sample; there is certainly a correlation between being a power/advanced user and more intricate talk page

Re: [Wikimedia-l] effect of edit filter on editing levels, (was thanking anons)

2014-01-15 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/15/2014 01:15 PM, WereSpielChequers wrote: Of course there remains the issue that our audience is still growing faster than the Internet whilst nobody really knows whether the underlying rate of goodfaith editing is increasing or stable. My own eyeball metric on this is entirely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Should we support MP4 Video on our sites?

2014-01-16 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/16/2014 01:21 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: I prefer for us to remain on the path where our whole stack of both content and software is unencumbered. I'd really hope we're not setting up a false dichotomy in our discussion; nobody has been argued about supporting MP4 containers in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-16 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/16/2014 05:02 PM, Mark wrote: These confounds might, in the end, not account for much after all. But I have been looking and haven't found even an attempt to *really* substantiate claims that the number of actual encyclopedia editors has declined, versus just superficial quantitative

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Should we support MP4 Video on our sites?

2014-01-18 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/18/2014 10:53 AM, Mark wrote: A consensus has emerged that MP4 video uploading can be enabled on Wikimedia Commons without major legal or technical problems (see [here] for details) While there are a great deal of interesting philosophical and ethical questions surrounding this issue,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [feature suggestion] Be able to include/exclude certain page fragments based on the geographic area

2014-03-04 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/04/2014 10:50 PM, Yuri wrote: But it got rejected, and I am not sure I am clear why. I haven't opined on the specific bug, but I would also have rejected it. The reason why is simple: it goes exactly opposite everything the projects stand for. Our mission isn't collect all of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-03-22 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
Russavia, First, I write here in my capacity as a volunteer and a member of the community you claim to speak on behalf of, clearly not as a staffer of the Foundation (not that engineering has anything to do with programs like this anyways). On 03/22/2014 09:00 AM, Russavia wrote: I understand

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-03-22 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/22/2014 02:45 PM, Russavia wrote: It's already been established that there is massive copyvio in there, and I think it is absolutely unacceptable for a copyvio to still be in this article under the circumstances. It's unacceptable under /any/ circumstances, but I don't see an obvious

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 1 week reminder: Wikimania 2014 – Call for Submissions

2014-03-24 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/23/2014 05:06 PM, James Forrester wrote: Note that a complete submission is required, including an abstract of 300 words or more that explains to the Programme Committee why you think your proposal should be accepted over others. I must admit that requirement gives me pause, James. I've

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our next strategy plan-Paid editing

2014-03-25 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/25/2014 07:45 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: If nothing else, the existing community quality rating system (i.e. FA, GA, etc.) should be used. That idea needs to be tempered with a strong caveat: at least for enwiki, those processes tend to be highly politized as they are already.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-03-31 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/31/2014 08:23 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: That seems niether all that surprising nor all that costly Oh, D'oh! Wrong conference! Ignore me, and move along. :-) -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/01/2014 07:43 AM, Fæ wrote: I find it disappointing that when difficult governance questions like this are raised in public, that some leading members of our community default to treating the concerned whistle-blower as a troll I think, Fæ, that you will find that it's not the subject

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/01/2014 09:34 AM, Fæ wrote: I am sure than the viewpoint is different for employees within the WMF like yourself, compared to unpaid volunteers outside, like me. This may be part of the reason we see this governance failure in a different light. That's actually amusingly wrong, though I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/01/2014 02:10 PM, Russavia wrote: Really, Marc? Really? Yes, Really. I can't recall having ever said that I never misbehave myself, nor that I ever reacted in anger before. Anyone who claims to is deluded or lying. With, perhaps, the pointed difference that this cannot be said to be my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/15/2014 05:12 PM, David Gerard wrote: Yeah, one of the first things to do is to talk to these partner organisations (because they are partner organisations) and ask what would actually be helpful, rather than helpy One thing that Erik has not mentionned (probably because it simply

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/21/2014 09:16 AM, Nathan wrote: Do WMF accounts still get the staff usergroup? Most accounts of staff and contractors do not get that usergroup: it is a very highly privileged group that includes pretty much every permission on every wiki, and access to it is on a strictly-needed basis.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-23 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/23/2014 07:06 PM, Wil Sinclair wrote: I participate on WO because I think every voice deserves to be heard. I'm going to give you a serious piece of advice here as someone who has held one of the most public position of authority on the English Wikipedia (the scare quotes are quite on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
Hello again, Wil. It's obvious that I'm not going to change your mind - nor is it my place to do so. But there /is/ one question of you that I would be remiss to not answer: On 05/23/2014 11:49 PM, Wil Sinclair wrote: If they are exposing serious problems that desperately need fixing, then

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/24/2014 11:13 AM, edward wrote: Also this complaint http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Gardner#Child_protection from a sitting arbitrator suggests the issue is a serious one. There are issues indeed about who is supposed to handle what aspect of the matter; with opinions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/24/2014 11:26 AM, edward wrote: You mean selectively quoting? I was not aware of misquoting you. I used your very words. Fair enough; I do enjoy the occasional semantic game now an then. I could make a cogent argument how selectively quoting sentence fragments is, necessarily,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Wikipedia medical entries

2014-05-27 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/27/2014 09:44 AM, Stevie Benton wrote: American Osteopathic Association I'm not an expert on the latest woo-woo, but isn't Osteopathy one of the numerous faith-based 'medecine'? -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Wikipedia medical entries

2014-05-27 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/27/2014 10:18 AM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: From what I remember from it is that what is called Osteopathy in the UK isn't the same thing that's called Osteopathy in the US Ah, that explains it. :-) Regardless, Don't diagnose yourself with Wikipedia seems to be infinitely good advice,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/28/2014 08:59 AM, Fæ wrote: A curiosity that only manifested itself shortly after the public announcement of your employment by the Foundation board. In all fairness, Fæ, if my spouse had been hired as the leader of a very visible and significant business or nonprofit, I too would find

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/29/2014 03:21 PM, Tilman Bayer wrote: *Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia* Yeay! Grats Zero team for yet another victory bringing Free knowledge to all people! -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/29/2014 04:55 PM, rupert THURNER wrote: another sad day, wikimedia foundation as the vicarious servant of the telecom industry on its way destroying net neutrality. I would *really* like to hear your reasoning on this, given that there is absolutely nothing that prevents any telco

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/29/2014 05:24 PM, Jens Best wrote: A noble cause doesn't necessarily make breaking an important principle unproblematic. In my opinion, if the definition of the principle makes the obviously perverse conclusion that a beneficial thing like giving access to educational resources for free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-05-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/29/2014 08:57 PM, James Salsman wrote: but it was misplaced because being able to figure out wikitext is an excellent attribute in new editors I think that statement fails on two aspects: for one, saying that the enthusiasm 'was misplaced' is rather premature as VE itself is rather

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/29/2014 09:25 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: If not, the Telcos are making a loss. Why? I should expect because they expect the goodwill they earn doing so will turn people into paying customers. Indeed, some of them have been rather explicit in their expectation that as their customers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-05-31 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/31/2014 08:27 PM, James Salsman wrote: Individual editors' skill with wikitext should be independent of almost all of the systemic biases from which we suffer [...] Seriously? I have (non-CS) engineer friends that, upon hitting that edit button, basically went Gak! No way! Wikitext

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-06-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 06/01/2014 07:13 AM, edward wrote: Which explains the gender bias, yes? At least in large part; Risker explained it more eloquently than I. There is a bias against women because the skillsets currently useful to be able to edit wikitext (programming, heavy markup languages) are more common in

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