Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright information not digitised?

2012-06-24 Thread Mark
/journal are now public domain. You'd also have to check that the photographer didn't separately register/renew a copyright on the photo. And, since photos don't typically have convenient names or IDs to use for lookup, it can be pretty hard to check. -Mark On 6/24/12 8:22 AM, Eddie Erhart

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Apparently, Wikipedia is ugly

2012-07-16 Thread Mark
to see us better enable the potentially programming public, for one thing, where programming is taken in a broad sense. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-02 Thread Mark
of the legwork to advocacy organizations who focus on it. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More opportunities for you to access free research databases!

2012-08-11 Thread Mark
into category #3, which is sub-optimal but often needed. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-25 Thread Mark
/ -- donated server space from MIT, and a completely volunteer editorial process * http://jair.org/ -- nonprofit organization with a small budget (funded by donations and grants) pays for server space and a small staff -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board vote on narrowing focus

2012-11-02 Thread Mark
, and/or why that'd be, I have no idea. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Internal-l] Israeli Government to Release its images under a free license for public use

2012-12-18 Thread Mark
categories that may be relevant to include in this tracking somehow, using the term edited rather than derivative: * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Edited_versions_of_Flickr_originals * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Edited_images -Mark

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-04 Thread Mark
aren't able to figure it out. But lack of success in convincing people to go to the library, find a book, and write a cited article based on it. Most people, ime so far at least, just aren't interested in doing that. Not sure how to change that, short of paying editors. -Mark

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-04 Thread Mark
On 1/4/13 5:51 PM, George Herbert wrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 January 2013 17:56, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote: 1a. Do *not* pick a source that you have a particularly close personal or emotional connection to: it is not good to start

Re: [Wikimedia-l] בקשה למרואיין

2013-03-11 Thread Mark
Και εγώ συμφωνώ, ας γράψουμε σε όλες τις κλασικές γλώσσες. :) - Μάρκος On 3/12/13 3:44 AM, Erwin Mulialim wrote: Good morning all, I also strongly agree and support when we can use multi language in this mailing list, such as by including the Indonesian language into the “Wikimedia Mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adopt a page

2013-03-30 Thread Mark
, rather than any kind of self-aggrandizement or POV-pushing, then we have much in common. -Mark On 3/30/13 1:55 AM, Mono wrote: Yes, but it might be nice if we could let people pay trusted editors to improve articles (without a COI and with a NPOV) that normally wouldn't get attention. On Fri

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The case for supporting open source machine translation

2013-04-24 Thread Mark
through grants to academic researchers, payments to contractors, hiring internal staff, or posting open bounties for implementing features, I haven't thought much about). Best, Mark [1] They have a nice list of other software and data coming out of the project as well: http

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The case for supporting open source machine translation

2013-04-24 Thread Mark
A brief addendum, On 4/24/13 12:25 PM, Mark wrote: From 2006 through 2012 [the ERC] allocated about $10m to kickstart open-source MT, though focused primarily on European languages, via the EuroMatrix (2006-09) and EuroMatrixPlus (2009-12) research projects. Missed some projects. Seems

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Human-assisted machine translation (it was: The case for supporting open source machine translation)

2013-05-01 Thread Mark
could get up to that level, that would be a big win in itself. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] article bytes more meaningful than users or revisions (was Re: Updates on VE data analysis)

2013-07-27 Thread Mark
is going on. More tedious and would of necessity be on a small subset of the encyclopedia, but might avoid papering over things that are obvious when you look at them but tend to get lost in big-data analyses. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On the gentrification of Wikipedia, by Superbass

2013-07-30 Thread Mark
using VE don't see such things. From an editing perspective, it seems what's wanted here is a way to mark regions of text, and then to specify what processing is done on this region. As you note, {{foo|giant parameter consisting of the whole region}} is one way to do that, but currently

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On the gentrification of Wikipedia, by Superbass

2013-07-30 Thread Mark
On 7/30/13 11:23 PM, James Forrester wrote: On 30 July 2013 13:58, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote: On 7/30/13 6:40 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: From an editing perspective, it seems what's wanted here is a way to mark regions of text, and then to specify what processing is done

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why the WP will never be a real encyclopaedia

2013-08-01 Thread Mark
the availability of German-language sources for the analogous de.wiki articles, etc.). -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Communication plans for community engagement

2013-08-07 Thread Mark
Zealand: 1.8x 3. Australia: 1.5x 4. Canada: 1.4x 5. USA: 1.0x [baseline] -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-12 Thread Mark
to understand the problem, if it is one, in more detail. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-12 Thread Mark
On 12/12/13, 11:16 PM, David Gerard wrote: On 12 December 2013 12:25, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote: Between tendentious negative information and self-promoting positive information, I worry that the overall quality level of our biographies of living people ends up poor in a great many cases

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF employee writing articles for $300

2014-01-06 Thread Mark
. Best, Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Mark
on how to best contribute to society, without having to worry about how to monetize and own every contribution. But absent such significant change, perhaps the Wikimedia movement could look more at how to improve at least the recognition (if not income) of significant contributors. Best, Mark

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues

2014-02-11 Thread Mark
grants, user-group recognition, etc. are opening up more avenues for Wikimedian organizations, organized along different lines, to find a more recognized (and funded) role in the movement. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues

2014-02-12 Thread Mark
like them too, saved I want it to be supervised by my chapter rather than the WMF ! Mark, may you disclose which country you are from/live in ? I am from France, living in France. Since you asked: I am Greek by ethnicity, I live in Denmark, and I mostly grew up in the USA. So I guess

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-01 Thread Mark
too far in the other direction, of course. But I think it's a more complex issue than Commons diverging from the correct path. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread Mark
ambition is to be free only for Americans. Perhaps es.wiki's goal will be to be free for Spaniards, and/or Argentinians. de.wiki will be focused on freeness for Germans. etc. I think that would be... suboptimal, though. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread Mark
On 3/2/14, 6:17 PM, David Gerard wrote: On 2 March 2014 16:56, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote: On 3/2/14, 5:31 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: There is a further disconnect in that Commons is taking an increasingly ultra-conservative approach to the definition of Free, whereas most other projects

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-06-01 Thread Mark
be fine, and someone who knows the markup can prettify it later, if necessary. (If newbies contributing in this manner are getting bad reactions, then the message that this is a perfectly fine way to contribute should be better publicized to existing editors/admins, too.) -Mark

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)

2014-06-03 Thread Mark
, if such details are known. That's precisely the kind of information that biographers search for when putting together a comprehensive biography. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Mark
? Best, Mark On 7/31/14, 12:15 AM, Lisa Gruwell wrote: Hi Pine- The threshold is an aggregate limit in a calendar year. If we were to limit the donation amount to under $5000, a person could give several donations that totaled over $5000 in a single year (which happens) and then we would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Mark
these two lines through git/gerrit bureaucracy. But being sufficiently annoyed, I did manage to submit a patch, which was eventually applied, and after some delay that fixed the brokenness. But that experience led me to believe that nobody is really paying attention to beta feedback! -Mark

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wrong attribution in PDF output of Wikipedia atricles

2014-08-24 Thread Mark
the new exporter ASAP. Best, Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wrong attribution in PDF output of Wikipedia atricles

2014-08-24 Thread Mark
not attribute photographers with their real name, even when known. Absent non-cc-licensed GFDL images, doing that may not be *legally* required, but I think it's good practice and friendlier to do so. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-29 Thread Mark
here (Denmark), because the hard statistics show that most adult women (and men) in the country are not married. Clearly other countries' statistics (and statistics for demographic subsets of the same) will show other numbers. Best, Mark ___ Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Flow eliminate wikitext sandbox practice?

2014-09-17 Thread Mark
by replacing the 3rd paragraph with this completely rewritten one: :Draft of the rewritten paragraph is here. Any thoughts on this change before I go ahead and make it? -- === -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] translation by importing articles

2014-10-04 Thread Mark
that have been imported to at least el and fr, in addition to de. So at least in the past it's been used more widely. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia needs an IDE, not a WYSIWYG editor

2014-10-25 Thread Mark
as there is some format, the IDE can simply target that format. :-) I can imagine many ways the markup format could be better, so by all means let's improve it. But I can also imagine a lot of ways the situation could be worse— such as not having a markup format! Best, Mark

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia needs an IDE, not a WYSIWYG editor

2014-10-25 Thread Mark
. -Mark On 10/25/14, 9:46 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: People Who Are Able to Edit Articles But Not to Code dismiss wiki syntax much more than I do. Most of them don't even bother to begin to understand it. The few who do are a rare exception. A wiki syntax IDE will not go a long way, as the article

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-11-30 Thread Mark
by the ISP (in this case, Wikipedia is favored), which is precisely what net neutrality wishes to prohibit. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-11-30 Thread Mark
Wikipedia? That's already attempting to shape, via differential pricing, where online users get their information. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Mark
... -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-11 Thread Mark
difficult to predict. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Mark Jaroski
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:41, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote: What I think would be important to avoid is too much subjective information from one individual; for example, where I to write about York, UK I would recommend not going to the Jorvik centre (a main attraction)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Mark Jaroski
We've mainly approached this issue encouraging the different groups of travellers to add relevant content for their areas. We specifically try to mix it all in, because we don't want to section anyone off. There was considerable controversy back in 2005 or so about adding an LBGT section to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the MediaWiki Stakeholder's Group

2014-11-12 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org writes: PS: Stakeholder's or Stakeholders? I did send Gregory an email shortly after he notified me that we were accepted when the problematic apostrophe was pointed out to me. We'd like to have the apostrophe removed, if possible. Mark. -- Mark A. Hershberger

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Recognition of the MediaWiki Stakeholder's Group

2014-11-12 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
Gregory Varnum writes: We have updated everything to reflect the correct spelling. Although it sounds like now you'd like no apostrophe? Yes. I apologize for the confusion and extra work. Mark. -- Mark A. Hershberger NicheWork LLC 717-271-1084

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Case for Federation: Should Parts of WMF Be Spun Off?

2016-03-21 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
edia.org/p/MWF20160226/timeslider#959 [5] https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/MWF20160318/timeslider#1334 [6] http://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Event:30 -- Mark A. Hershberger NicheWork LLC 717-271-1084 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: http

Re: [Wikimedia-l] European Copyright Law

2018-09-14 Thread Mark Rousell
of any vote at all: London: Syed Kamall (Conservative) South East: Janice Atkinson (independent), Raymond Finch (UKIP) South West: Julia Reid (UKIP) (Total 4 no record of any vote at all) -- Mark Rousell ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] European Copyright Law

2018-09-14 Thread Mark Rousell
ttp://www.europarl.europa.eu/plenary/en/votes.html?tab=votes > -- Mark Rousell ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-21 Thread Mark Rousell
On 18/02/2019 11:04, David Cuenca Tudela wrote: > the current definition of knowledge by Wikimedia > projects is narrow-minded and does not fit the relationship with knowledge > that exists in other parts of the world. This sounds intriguing. Can you expand on it? -- Mar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-03-23 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 6:59 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 03/22/2014 02:45 PM, Russavia wrote: It's already been established that there is massive copyvio in there, and I think it is absolutely unacceptable for a copyvio to still be in this article under the circumstances.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Setting ticket prices

2014-03-24 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:47 AM, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.vewrote: Wait, are we in kindergarden? I think Rupert's email was sent off-list, so basically there is no need to bring it up to the list,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our next strategy plan-Paid editing

2014-03-25 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
If nothing else, the existing community quality rating system (i.e. FA, GA, etc.) should be used. It may not be perfect at the individual article level, but it does scale well. On Mar 26, 2014 6:36 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: Philippe, The Public Policy Initiative produced

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is Wikiquote in decline or just stagnant

2014-03-25 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
See the graphs for 5+ editors here: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikibooks/EN/ChartsWikipediaZZ.htm http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikiquote/EN/ChartsWikipediaZZ.htm http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikinews/EN/ChartsWikipediaZZ.htm It is wikinews that has been loosing contributors since mid 2008, and new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Reminder: Nominations open for affiliate-selected board seats

2014-03-29 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
There are 36 hours remaining for nominations for the affiliate-selected seats. Self-nominations are allowed. The two existing chapter appointed board members, Patricio Lorente and Alice Wiegand, are currently the only candidates, which will save a lot of volunteer time in the selection process.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] COI editing by WMF staff

2014-04-17 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:39 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 April 2014 15:23, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: After

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Indonesia and Humanitarian Open Street Map receive ALL VOICES GRANT

2014-04-20 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Anna Torres a...@wikimedia.org.ar wrote: Hi Isabella, Great news! Congratulations to all of you :) In Argentina we are planning to build up a fundraising strategy this year. Is there somewhere we can take a look to the project? While the WMID team puts online

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-12 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Yann - Commons is unique in that AFAIK it's our only project that, by it's very nature, effects other projects, as well as outside collaborations. Well, no, it isnt. Wikidata also has a direct effect on the other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-15 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 9:42 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Nathan wrote: A lot of the issues Kevin is probably referring to revolve around the 2011 debate, and many of the most blatant problems have since been cleaned up. Perhaps some of the most blatant problems have been addressed,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons tagging and/versus categorization

2014-05-19 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
I think intersection is the most significant cause of the current categorisation system. My understanding of the current reasoning behind categorisation as seen on Commons and elsewhere is that: 1) the lack of category intersection causes the very specific categories, which are essentially saved

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On May 29, 2014 5:33 AM, Thyge ltl.pri...@gmail.com wrote: Please raise and discuss questions about policy on meta. This is not the place. Regards, Thyge Wil, I suggest that you do go to http://meta.wikimedia.org and find pages about these issues. *Read the archives of the talk pages*. And

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
Wil, On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Stepping in to add another aspect to both questions, as I think it might focus the discussion. Child Protection: Are children encouraged to use commons through any programs or outreach efforts of any kind? Who are you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocking Wil from this List

2014-05-28 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 6:24 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: I'm starting a thread with the correct title, so that everyone knows that we're discussing whether I should be banned and for what reasons. Like Sam said in another thread, I doubt you would be blocked on this list, and there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: As I mentioned to Sam, I have just one more thing to say here before I let you guys deliberate on whether to block me. I've been getting tons of private emails from people who say that they don't want to see me blocked, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 5:43 AM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is a fascinating discussion, but one which has been addressed in much greater depth elsewhere: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=net+neutrality+wikipedia+zero It would indeed be interesting to hear EFF's take on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 4:12 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Many new features (e.g., the improved search backend) are deployed fairly regularly without fanfare or objection. Indeed, change-aversion tends to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
'On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:02 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Or .. sometimes the licensing and attribution information isnt correct In the common case, Media Viewer provides more prominent

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Offwiki

2014-07-13 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 2:59 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Wil Sinclair wrote: Hi all, I've started a new wiki called Offwiki: http://offwiki.org. Our community discusses potential changes to Wikipedia and its Wikimedia sister projects that aren't easily discussed in forums like this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unacceptable -- CheckUser abuse gone uninvestigated

2014-08-01 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Are you able to specify which policy or statement entitles you to the information you request? I can find no basis for it in the privacy policy, the Meta checkuser policy or the checkuser page on Commons. Can you also outline for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unacceptable -- CheckUser abuse gone uninvestigated

2014-08-02 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: .. I could be wrong, but it was my understanding that the logs are maintained indefinitely but the data is retained for only 3 months (i.e. the results of the check that is recorded in the log). The checkuser log are kept

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-02 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure you're correct about what is being disappeared, Fae. I believe that the Guardian is referring to an article of theirs that is now not seen in Google search results for certain terms. The article makes it pretty

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-05 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:27 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure you're correct about what is being disappeared, Fae. I believe that the Guardian is referring to an article of theirs that is now

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-10 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 10:08 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: David Gerard wrote: On 10 August 2014 15:51, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: You'd been threatening to implement super-protection for a long time. I see you finally made good on this very bad idea. This is certainly bold,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-11 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:18 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Now, having observed that not only user Eloquence (aka Erik Moeller) himself engaged in the enforcement of superprotect right on de.wp [1] but soon after a workaround was published a change was deployed [2, 3] as counter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-11 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:49 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 2:01 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Before this, there was no expectation that a page could be protected such that sysops could not alter the content

[Wikimedia-l] Odder on moderation?!

2014-08-12 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
Hi, Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation? I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to queries sent directly, and havent

Re: [Wikimedia-l] how global.js works? (was: Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you)

2014-08-14 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, The big question is not so much where and when things happen, the big question is who supports all the muck. There have been enough instances where changes to for instance common.js brought down servers.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 August 2014 05:31, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-08-21 9:30 GMT+03:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com: It would *seem* that every user converted to the mobile site is a step towards extinction of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-24 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 08/24/2014 11:19 PM, Pine W wrote: I have heard people say don't force an interface change on me that I don't think is an improvement. I do not recall a recent interface change deployment that wasn't accompanied

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-09-03 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: I'd like to add distribution as one of the pain points. I wanted to have the templates that are available on enwiki for another Mediawiki installation, but I couldn't get them to work. It seems like every template has a maze of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 3:29 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: This somewhat circuitously brings us back to the subject. We have a chance to rollout Flow the right way. There are some questions that come to mind that might tell us if we're headed for a big win or a bigger debacle: 1) Is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:48 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: IMO the WMF should stop focusing on English Wikipedia as a target deploy site, and stop allowing its product management team and WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-06 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-09-06 1:07 GMT+02:00 Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com: On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:48 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: IMO the WMF should stop focusing on English Wikipedia as a target

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-07 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 09/07/2014 01:57 AM, Diego Moya wrote: a major property of a document-centric architecture that is lost in a structured one is that it's open-ended, which means that end users can build new features and flows on top

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback with Android on Commons

2014-09-08 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Yann, The Commons app would need lots of love to continue to be worth advertising as a mainline app. It's not been updated since October, and code rot sets in after a while (I can easily reproduce crashes when logging in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback with Android on Commons

2014-09-08 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: Thanks to all in this thread for raising these issues. A discussion about sunsetting the Commons Android app is ongoing on mobile-l right now. I would encourage anyone who's interested to subscribe and comment. Hi Dam,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-11 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Tim, do you think that this list of all the useful stuff that talk pages can currently includes things that aren't being done because they are too advanced for newbie editors or too inconvenient for veterans? Regardless, you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

2014-09-12 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Actually, I'd like to speak up on the name. I imagine the name reflected the enthusiasm of its first attendees, but Wikimania has all the wrong connotations in today's world. True mania is marked by little control, commitment,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2014-10-05 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
/Special:CentralAuth/DannyH_(WMF) Danny will no doubt hit the 300 global edit mark by the cutoff date which would be ~March 2014., roughly one year after he started. I suspect he may also meet any sensible criteria established for merged patches, but havent checked that. If we include the wikitech

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2014-10-06 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 October 2014 20:51, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 10/05/2014 08:24 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: I checked a few of the WMF admin staff who have been employed more than a year, and many dont look likely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2014-10-06 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: John, please explain what your point is here. I mean really, picking on individual people who voted in the election? That's crossing the line, especially as they met the voting eligibility criteria for the election involved,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational effectiveness tool (for Wikimedia organizations)

2014-12-02 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Why does the questionnaire seemingly exclude the WMF? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organizational_effectiveness/Tool/User_guide#Preparing_to_Take_the_Organizational_Effectiveness_Questionnaire If the WMF is one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational effectiveness tool (for Wikimedia organizations)

2014-12-02 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Anasuya! That's quite a comprehensive survey but instructive to fill out. On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:46 AM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: No, .. from the survey itself: Throughout, we use

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:42 AM, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: I would like to expose this more, maybe after this crunch. Just keep in mind that it takes time to anonymize and process -- a time that is otherwise spent on optimizing or collaborating. One bucket of resources, many

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:46 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: John Mark Vandenberg wrote: i.e. specifically asking previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing whether they feel the increase in funds has not resulted in their work being adequately

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 04.12.2014 02:30, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:46 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: John Mark Vandenberg wrote: i.e. specifically asking previously highly productive

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banner interfering with Google results

2014-12-07 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 5:43 PM, Nick Birse w...@nbir.se wrote: Russavia asked me to check this to confirm it wasn't just him or his regional Google setup, and it's both correct and looking into it further it's hitting every single page on Wikipedia that Google has indexed. If you search for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banner interfering with Google results

2014-12-07 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks John for the link. I've made an edit to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ushuaia_%E2%80%93_Malvinas_Argentinas_International_Airport as I've been told that Google will update text in their search results when

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-08 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
Comparisons to PBS/TV are not a useful pro-Wikipedia Zero argument, as the TV network model is itself a convincing argument effectively used by the pro-net-neutrality people as a worst case outcome of eroding net neutrality - most people agree we need to avoid the Internet descending to a TV

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