[Wikimedia-l] Larry Sanger rides again

2012-06-02 Thread Milos Rancic
Fortunately, average Slashdotter is not a moron [1], like he is. Does anyone know does he have some new project which needs promotion in media? And may WMF give some money to him, not to mess around? [1]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-09 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote: I'll explain my perspective on Saturday at the SOPA panel for Wikimania. It's very tl;dr. I'm sure it will be put online :) Come on, I won't listen it for sure. But if you write it here, I could read it :)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-09 Thread Milos Rancic
Just a couple of words for those who don't understand... Writing encyclopedia produces responsibility. Neither Anonymous, neither Arab Spring would happen without Wikipedia. A person has to be very miserable not to understand that; and not to take its own responsibility.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-10 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, I'll bite. This is just my opinion and based on SOPA in the United States and what our government represents. Thanks! I am responding as a non-cognitivist moral skeptic nihilist. We have freedoms and we have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-10 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.comwrote: Neither Anonymous, neither Arab Spring would happen without Wikipedia. I think you meant without the technology and concept that we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-10 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks! I am responding as a non-cognitivist moral skeptic nihilist. CAUTION: HUMOR! Nice marmot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L2qP

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-10 Thread Milos Rancic
It looks like we won again. Communication Minister Nikolai Nikiforov was also negative about the current version of the bill, but was more relaxed about the possible outcomes. “I don’t support Wiki’s contention that it would be closed down. But this step is an important reaction by society, a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-11 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:20 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: No, no, you don't understand: *my* politics are the neutral baseline, *your* politics are weird and radical. Yep, I forgot it. BTW, note the comments below RIA Novosti news on Russian Wikipedia strike [1]. That baseline

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-11 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: Milos, do you have any evidence that what you have written is correct? Just a single fact? So far the law was accepted in the second reading basically unchanged, and is currently undergoing the third reading (which is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-12 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a service provider exemption for entities like Wikimedia in Russia? Is it possible that making the Russian Wikipedia inaccessible for a period in order to protest a Russian law might be considered political activism in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Apparently, Wikipedia is ugly

2012-07-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Paul Becherer p...@wmnederland.nl wrote: The article was an interesting read, and wasn't just about layout; it had more to say more about *interface*, which is a more general concept. If there's anything that can be done to increase meaningful participation by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-18 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: But that is not all. The most important issue is extremism. According to the bill, the materials, that are banned for distribution in Russia should be included to the register of banned information on the ground of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project

2012-07-31 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: * Create useful templates, like {{welcome}, {{citation needed}}, {{infobox}}, {{delete}} etc. Wikidata should fix the issue with templates. Thus, soon the manual should be fixed with translate templates 1, 2...

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rationale for fundraising record?

2012-12-28 Thread Milos Rancic
I'd really like to hear something more than a guess :) In the sense: Could it be said that we are now reasonably financially safe? On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: I read the official blog [1] about it, but it doesn't have rationale. And I am too lazy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rationale for fundraising record?

2013-01-07 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm very sorry I didn't answer this question earlier... Thanks for the response! I thought that I'd get it, so I was mostly patient :) The short answer is: credit goes to a new kind of banner that put several powerful

Re: [Wikimedia-l] telenor and serbia, india, ... experiences after one year?

2013-01-09 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote: In regards to Serbia and India...we had a few difficulties launching them earlier but they should be coming online soon. And we plan to have several other big launches to announce within the next few weeks. Stay tuned.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-05 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: I can write a long mail to response the board statement, but past shown me – it will be waste of time. Mean less time for my work, my chapter, and my personal life. Cause when the WMF and the Board deciding on something,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-07 Thread Milos Rancic
While a number of my friends are employed by WMF and I heard no one to complain about salary or working conditions, it would be good to have annual report of salaries and other benefits of WMF employees compared to the siruation in the other similar and some not so similar organizations. I can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia (Foundation) endowment

2013-03-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Last year's financial report shows almost exactly $2.5m for Internet hosting. I'm not sure quite what that covers Only data-center usage

[Wikimedia-l] LangCom work now fully transparent

2013-04-17 Thread Milos Rancic
The [new] list of the Language committee [1] is now open for read-only subscribers. The new archives will be open. During the previous two years any valid member of the community could apply for observer status. Since a week ago, everybody can follow the list. (I'm not quite sure if this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Milos Rancic
It would be very useful to express the current state of the FDC in emails like this one -- at the top of email. For a couple of months I was mislead that FDC is actually working and that Wikimedia entities should do a kind of action toward FDC if they want to get funds. Contrary to that, just if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote: I am sorry I don't understand the remarks completely… can you tell me a little bit more about what you are referring to? As not particularly interested in the topic, I read the first paragraph or two of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com wrote: I think you should read again the original email. The word proposed is never used there. The fourth paragraph says: For your reference, here is the updated 2013-2014 Round 1 proposal process schedule:,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The case for supporting open source machine translation

2013-04-26 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Not just bootstrapping the content. By having the primary content be saved in a language independent form, and always translating it on the fly, it would not merely bootstrap content in different languages, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The case for supporting open source machine translation

2013-04-26 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Finding a way to capture and integrate the work OmegaWiki has done into a new Wikidata-powered Wiktionary would be a useful start. And we've already sort of claimed the space (though we are neglecting it) -- it's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Milos Rancic
Sue (or anyone from staff who is more precisely in charge for this), may you just revert this and open discussion to reach more sensible solution? I understand that there could be a good reason for this action, but the way it's been handled is not the perfect one. And at least permissions on a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Elections 2013

2013-05-16 Thread Milos Rancic
While there are enough candidates for almost unpredictable elections for Board (thanks to Sj's late candidature) and there are three good candidates for two positions in FDC, there is no candidate for FDC Ombudsman position and deadline is tomorrow evening. So, if you have experience in finances

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-20 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: Well, it's Monday SF time (4 PM if Google doesn't lie to me), and we're still waiting for some explanations on why this situations happened /at all/. The problem with this kind of actions is personal inability

[Wikimedia-l] Thanks for all the fish!

2013-06-07 Thread Milos Rancic
I am leaving the movement. I thought to leave it quietly, with just a bit more than a few words to stewards and Wikimedia Serbia, but after the first question why I am leaving, I realized that I actually owe to many of you the explanation for leaving the movement after almost 10 years. If you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanks for all the fish!

2013-06-07 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: == Unfinished projects == Oh, and I knew that there were three unfinished projects, but I forgot the last one. Wikimedia movement isn't staying well with formal diplomacy. No of the Wikimedia organizations participated even

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanks for all the fish!

2013-06-08 Thread Milos Rancic
Thanks to all of you! It really matters to know that I will be welcome if I back and it matters that people who matters to me think that I made an impact to them and to the movement. I was unprepared on Amir's mail and I reacted on it emotionally. After that I realized which kind of emails I

[Wikimedia-l] I'm back

2014-04-17 Thread Milos Rancic
For those who care, I'm back. My absence wasn't related to Wikimedia. It was about first world problems, which hit me quite hard. I never thought that the transition from the second to the first world problems would be painful. Few years ago I'd have called it decadence. So, lesson learned.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I'm back

2014-04-18 Thread Milos Rancic
Thank to all for welcome :) I am good. It was nothing which good introspection, some formal education and rational thinking wasn't able to solve. Besides that, I was better at the time when I decided to leave Wikimedia for a while. That was the product of rational decision. Andy, Serbian beer is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I'm back

2014-04-18 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Was the morning after something like this? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Balkanball_shenanigans.png True, the only way how Serbs are getting really drunk. It has to be about the strength of rakija made by

[Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-19 Thread Milos Rancic
There are ~6000 languages in the world and around 3000 of them have more than 10,000 speakers. That approximation has some issues, but they are compensated by the ambiguity of the opposition. Ethnologue is not the best place to find precise data about the languages and it could count as languages

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-20 Thread Milos Rancic
First, I want to respond to the structural questions, among them some which I didn't mention: In short, we can because we have organizational infrastructure, capable to work with local people and bring them to edit Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects. That's not the rocket science. Working

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-20 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: 0. because we can is indeed a very poor reason to do anything. We are also probably the only global network that can ensure complete coverage of all Pokémon characters in 100 languages. That's far from proof that we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-20 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: 4. What does interest me, as a grantmaker, is where to draw the line between the Rapa Nui end of the spectrum and languages that, with some active promotion, could well become useful and much-needed reference sources in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by the cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Projects that are focused on language revitalization per se should be given less priority when resources are limited, even though it breaks my heart to say this. I don't think that we are dealing here with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: Wikimedia UK does little work with Gaelic, but quite a bit with Welsh; I wonder if Robin Owain reads this list? He's a good person to speak to about this. I mentioned Scots Gaelic with a good reason. Not counting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: That means that it's the best starting point to raise that number from 157 per million to ~1000 per million. If WM UK would be successful in achieving that goal, we'd know that it's possible. And we'll have some ideas how

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: That means that it's the best starting point to raise that number from 157 per million to ~1000 per million. If WM UK would be successful in achieving

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-27 Thread Milos Rancic
/États_généraux_du_multilinguisme_dans_les_outre-mer [3] (fr)(mul) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:États_généraux_du_multilinguisme_dans_les_outre-mer ~ Seb35 20.04.2014 05:46:47 (CEST), Milos Rancic kirjoitti: There are ~6000 languages in the world and around 3000 of them have more than 10,000 speakers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Milos Rancic
It turns out that Lila is actually a perfect ED. Someone capable to handle and love a person like Wil is -- should be quite competent in handling the rest of the community :D On May 29, 2014 1:21 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Hi Erik, just for guidance here- should I not publicly

[Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

2014-05-29 Thread Milos Rancic
There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are some interesting ideas and a number of not so relevant. We've got the offer to cooperate with one of the zoos from Serbia. At this moment of time, there is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

2014-05-30 Thread Milos Rancic
groups thus both had a team of editors behind them. Cheers, Balazs 2014.05.29. 23:45, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com ezt írta: There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Thank you Sue Gardner

2014-06-02 Thread Milos Rancic
I want to say basically the same what Jan-Bart and Bishakha said, but from different perspective. The first three years of my involvement in the global community passed in constant worries about the future of Wikimedia. Options like we don't have enough money for the bills were the constant

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On relationship gossip and appropriate conversation

2014-06-15 Thread Milos Rancic
Christophe, Wil tried to open issues closed few years ago. Besides that, not under ED mandate. Everything else in his behavior was behavioral problem, not substantial one. Thus, quite irrelevant. Just if Lila opens the same questions -- and I am sure they are far from her focus -- that would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On relationship gossip and appropriate conversation

2014-06-15 Thread Milos Rancic
On Jun 15, 2014 10:07 PM, edward edw...@logicmuseum.com wrote: On 15/06/2014 20:08, Milos Rancic wrote: Christophe, Wil tried to open issues closed few years ago. Besides that, not under ED mandate. In what sense were these issues 'closed'? 'Closed' usually means 'resolved'. As far as I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Do Over

2014-07-12 Thread Milos Rancic
On Jul 13, 2014 4:20 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Hi, I'm Wil Sinclair. Strictly speaking, I've been a Wikipedian for 7 years, but I've been an active Wikipedian for less than 3 months. In that time I believe I've seen a lot, but I still have a lot to learn. Hi, Wil! Your name is a

[Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014

2014-07-15 Thread Milos Rancic
For the last month or so I want to share with you the initial success of the Microgrants 2014 project of Wikimedia Serbia. However, there are a number of stories and it was too much to me to write about all of them at once. So, I am splitting it, which means that you can expect more stories during

[Wikimedia-l] On historical event / WMRS Microgrants 2014

2014-07-16 Thread Milos Rancic
I am finally able to share with you the biggest benefit of WMRS Microgrants projects for this year. It's about cooperation with one very old institution, and it was necessary to wait for their formal letter. But first about the side effects of the Microgrants project... When you are going

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014

2014-07-18 Thread Milos Rancic
. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 15.07.2014 06:42, Milos Rancic wrote: For the last month or so I want to share with you the initial success of the Microgrants 2014 project of Wikimedia Serbia. However, there are a number of stories and it was too much to me to write about all of them at once

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014

2014-07-18 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: I see that the video is marked CC BY-NC-ND. Will all other videos also be under that license? That's their proprietary, artistic work. We are getting scientific/educational videos. Something like ten time 3-5 minutes of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014

2014-07-19 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:49 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: Uh, wait. Please answer the question clearly and unambiguously. What exact license will the proposed contributions be under? On Jul 18, 2014 2:06 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: I think that the best one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014

2014-07-19 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: James, you're not the only one that was confused by that. Please, Milos, stay focused on being helpful and furthering the Wikimedia mission (as you do in an amazing way!), and please don't troll... We need some fun,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014

2014-07-19 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: We need a straight answer, which I notice you've still yet to give. Then RPL, as I said. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014

2014-07-20 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: In general, sarcasm on large public lists is risky, and in my experience sarcasm is best tagged with sarcasm/sarcasm or ;). That wouldn't be fun :) It's not about sarcasm, it's about trolling :P Would have left the discussion to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-06 Thread Milos Rancic
From Bay Area hipsters to revolutionaries in less than five months. That's the change! Welcome! On Oct 6, 2014 10:43 PM, Damon Sicore dsic...@wikimedia.org wrote: wikimedia-l, On arrival I was asked to describe a few leadership principles and practices I live out. In my response I included

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-07 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 6:44 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: The community has heard a lot from the WMF about courage, honesty, integrity and leadership – and rather too much of the latter of late: let's remember that the Wikimedia Foundation's values[1] speak of *community-led*

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Is someone saying I have courage and integrity all it takes to convince you that they are indeed possessed of those qualities? Every politician says that. I'd reserve judgment and wait to see their performance. That's good

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia

2014-11-12 Thread Milos Rancic
I think that this is extremely important moment in the existence of Wikimedia and contemporary free content movement. The future of the concept of free knowledge could depend on how Wikimedia positions itself in relation to this issue and the future similar ones. This is not about our personal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia

2014-11-12 Thread Milos Rancic
What about a notice for users from Russia: We are not able to process money from Russia now, but you are welcome to donate to Wikimedia Russia by using this bank account -- if nothing more creative could be imagined? On Nov 13, 2014 4:46 AM, Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia

2014-11-13 Thread Milos Rancic
Geoff (and others from WMF), in the situations like this one is, it is much less important why you did something than how you did something. Global tensions are high, they could become the past in a year, but we could be the main losers of the present tensions. We depend on trust of people all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia

2014-11-16 Thread Milos Rancic
On Nov 14, 2014 10:00 PM, rubin.happy rubin.ha...@gmail.com wrote: That's not the first, and even not the 10th attempt of our authorities to create own Wikipedia, own YouTube and so on. They will talk about it, they could even spend some budget but it's not likely to result in something that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-11-30 Thread Milos Rancic
I don't see economics here, unless you are extremely naive about reality. There are some items -- abused or not for marketing purposes of the entities used for achieving interests of their shareholders -- which belong to the corpus of common good. Like air and free knowledge are, for example.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-01 Thread Milos Rancic
On Dec 1, 2014 8:26 AM, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote: On 12/1/14, 7:11 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: There are some items -- abused or not for marketing purposes of the entities used for achieving interests of their shareholders -- which belong to the corpus of common good. Like air and free

[Wikimedia-l] To donate or not

2014-12-05 Thread Milos Rancic
I found on Facebook feed the next article [1]. The article title was so amusing that I had to read the article: Stop giving Wikimedia money. Although I thought I'll find something totally irrelevant, the article actually reveals that the author is pretty well introduced into internal Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To donate or not

2014-12-05 Thread Milos Rancic
On Dec 5, 2014 10:07 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: It also helps that Uber is a $40 billion dollar for-profit company with the sole objective of a financial return for its owners. The comparison seems inapt. That's valid structural point, as well. However, there are some comparable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To donate or not

2014-12-05 Thread Milos Rancic
On Dec 5, 2014 10:44 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: And Silicon Valley didn't yet figured out how to transplant education directly into the brain. And there are many basics which has to be learned by a competent teacher. (Nah, still have problems with to learn/to teach dichotomy. It's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our final email

2014-12-24 Thread Milos Rancic
May someone give a digest report on this issue. They are odd and persistent. Eternal September has come into India or something else? On Dec 23, 2014 9:56 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 December 2014 at 08:43, Golf Today li...@golf.indiatodaylive.com wrote: Attention : LILA TETRIKOV

[Wikimedia-l] Outreach to Afrodescendant community in US

2015-01-20 Thread Milos Rancic
It turns out that something happens when you stop grumbling and start doing things. To be honest, initially I was really surprised that it's working. So, I want to assure you that that works and I would recommend you to try the same. This issue was raised at least two times on this list during

[Wikimedia-l] Crossroads of five journeys

2015-02-13 Thread Milos Rancic
This story is at once a personal one, but its products could affect our whole movement. Thus I feel a duty to share it with you. (Disclaimer: I am under the influence of sljivovica [1], which means that my English syntax could betray me. Also, keep in mind that one of the comments which I got

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-24 Thread Milos Rancic
: On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: I would actually say: Is there a point to have a prescriptive work without ND clause? Course there is. The text of the CC licenses, for example, is under CC0; Creative Commons is trademarked and that trademark

[Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-22 Thread Milos Rancic
As some of you know, we are working on the project [1] with Matica srpska [2]. Basically, that opens numerous possibilities and here is one of them. My professor, a Board member of Matica srpska and one of two co-authors of the Normative Grammar of Serbian Language wants to open the Grammar.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com wrote: I'm finding this a bit difficult to parse; am I interpreting it correctly if I read it as: because the project is to produce a prescriptive, normative grammar, there's a desired No Derivatives element of any adopted

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-23 Thread Milos Rancic
, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Which, actually, reminds me that we definitely need a non-free repository. For example, we could get that grammar to be quoted in whole, but there is no sense to change it. But, my initial point was: Am I missing something? Would

[Wikimedia-l] Names of Wikimedia languages and other matrix

2015-04-23 Thread Milos Rancic
Cross-list posting, as it's relevant to Wiktionary and Wikimedia as a whole. First of all, please go to Meta page Names of Wikimedia languages [1] and do the best to proofread or translate items. That's strategically important set of lists for the movement. We have to know the names of Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's cool?

2015-06-04 Thread Milos Rancic
On Jun 5, 2015 03:01, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Huh, I didn't have intention to make anyone depressive. You didn't! I was thinking of other unrelated things. :) Glad to hear that :) I mean, at least I am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Voting system (was: Results of 2015 WMF Board elections)

2015-06-07 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: # We use S/N/O for many other kinds of votes, including FDC, steward, Arbitration Committee, and featured content votes. I have not heard disagreement with it until now, which suggests that generally there is consensus for this

[Wikimedia-l] Community Assembly

2015-06-07 Thread Milos Rancic
I suppose that nobody commented my idea about the Assembly because of two main reasons: it's a different paradigm, as well as it doesn't seem realistic. The cure for different paradigm acceptance is repeating it until it becomes familiar :P But, of course, much more important reason is the fact

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Assembly

2015-06-07 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: I do not think community assembly as a replacement for the Board would work. A body of 10 people and a body of say 50 people are different bodies and they should have different functions. I didn't say that CA should

[Wikimedia-l] Developing new language editions of Wikipedia

2015-06-05 Thread Milos Rancic
I've created the draft for our future approach in building new Wikipedia (and other Wikimedia projects) editions: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Developing_new_language_editions_of_Wikipedia Feel free to contribute to it :) * * * {{draft}} The aim of this page is to help creation of new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Voting system (was: Results of 2015 WMF Board elections)

2015-06-06 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: Well, the funny thing with current system is that if people had voted in most rational way - i.e. to maximize the impact of their votes - the results would have been negative for all candidates - as this year none of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Results of 2015 WMF Board elections

2015-06-05 Thread Milos Rancic
That's quite a surprise! I am really happy to see the substantial changes! Congratulations! On Jun 6, 2015 01:14, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, The certified results of the 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election are now available on Meta-Wiki:

[Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia article per speaker

2015-06-07 Thread Milos Rancic
When you get data, at some point of time you start thinking about quite fringe comparisons. But that could actually give some useful conclusions, like this time it did [1]. We did the next: * Used the number of primary speakers from Ethnologue. (Erik Zachte is using approximate number of primary

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Voting system (was: Results of 2015 WMF Board elections)

2015-06-06 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se wrote: The result could also be interpreted as a thundering success for the voting method being used. Just to be clear: I think you (Election committee) did very good job. Inside of the stable circumstances, like they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Voting system (was: Results of 2015 WMF Board elections)

2015-06-06 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm happy with S/N/O and with the election winners, but concerned about the diversity of the Board. I wonder if rethinking the entire board structure is in order, for example we could have: 1. One seat per continent, elected by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global North/South

2015-06-11 Thread Milos Rancic
I think the reason is more than obvious: Belarus is south of Moldova and Ukraine is in between, so it went south. As Russia is basically on the east of all of three countries, it's logical to put it among the northern countries. On Jun 11, 2015 9:59 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global North/South

2015-06-11 Thread Milos Rancic
On Jun 11, 2015 10:06 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 2015-06-11 22:03, Milos Rancic wrote: I think the reason is more than obvious: Belarus is south of Moldova and Ukraine is in between, so it went south. As Russia is basically on the east of all of three countries, it's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Languages] Wikipedia article per speaker

2015-06-12 Thread Milos Rancic
(Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Milos Rancic, 08/06/2015 00:23: And I suppose somebody with statistical knowledge would be able to give us the number which would have meaning ability to create Wikipedia article. Why not use the human development index (HDI) as factor? Also, instead

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Languages] Wikipedia article per speaker

2015-06-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: And either I missed it, or nobody mentioned it yet, but ahem ahem ahem ContentTranslation. It is already helping Wikipedias in minorized languages to create a lot of meaningful articles more easily, and with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Languages] Wikipedia article per speaker

2015-06-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: One more lame mistake: It's not about countries, but about languages. Thus: немачки, njemački, њемачки, njemački, Khm... немачки, nemački, њемачки, njemački, ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Languages] Wikipedia article per speaker

2015-06-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Just a short note here... The complexity of the task, which I think I comprehend, is so significant, that I made the lamest mistake from my own perspective. Please note that the page Names of Wikimedia languages [1] assumes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia article per speaker

2015-06-13 Thread Milos Rancic
existing) metric of active-editors-per-million-speakers is, it seems to me, a far more robust metric. Erik Z.'s stats.wikimedia.org is offering that metric. A. On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: When you get data, at some point of time you start

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia article per speaker

2015-06-13 Thread Milos Rancic
existing) metric of active-editors-per-million-speakers is, it seems to me, a far more robust metric. Erik Z.'s stats.wikimedia.org is offering that metric. A. On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: When you get data, at some point of time you start

[Wikimedia-l] While Election committee counts the votes...

2015-05-31 Thread Milos Rancic
... it would be good to talk a bit about the state of our community and movement. Initially, I was quite positively surprised by the fact that this will be the best WMF Board elections ever in the terms of turnout of voters. It will beat 2007 elections and it will be likely 2.5 times better than

Re: [Wikimedia-l] While Election committee counts the votes...

2015-06-01 Thread Milos Rancic
Jönsson brevlis...@gmail.com: 2015-05-31 22:57 GMT+02:00 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: ... it would be good to talk a bit about the state of our community and movement. Initially, I was quite positively surprised by the fact that this will be the best WMF Board elections ever in the terms

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Priority languages

2015-06-01 Thread Milos Rancic
Richard, the spreadsheet could be found here [1]. I compiled the list again and it assumes some more languages (Swahili, for example), which didn't have numbers in Ethnologue's data. On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: For some of these languages, I don't

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