Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
luating > primary sources themselves, or worse yet, uncritically treating them as > factual. > > Todd > > On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 6:27 AM, Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > A parish book, with all records signed by the priest (and witnesse

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
net>: > Autobiographical writing published by the mainstream press with editors > and fact checkers is more reliable. > > Fred > > - Original Message ----- > From: Paulo Santos Perneta <paulospern...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
ual. > > Todd > > On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 6:27 AM, Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > A parish book, with all records signed by the priest (and witnesses), and > > reviewed by the Diocesis, is a primary source, and immensely more > r

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
e used directly, and an autobiography with > great care, depending on how it was edited and published. > > Fred > > > - Original Message - > From: Paulo Santos Perneta <paulospern...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Sen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Paulo Santos Perneta > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 10:25 PM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing probl

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-11 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
simple truth without doing an > original research you need a secondary source. > > Vito > > 2018-05-11 22:24 GMT+02:00 Paulo Santos Perneta <paulospern...@gmail.com>: > > > Isn't there an endemic confusion in the Wikipedias between what are > primary > > sour

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to deal with spam subscription to mailing list

2018-05-11 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Dozens of subscription attempts at unblock-pt-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admindb/unblock-pt-l Paulo 2018-05-09 11:23 GMT+01:00 Sam Walton : > I take it back, we're now having the same issue with the Wikipedia-Library > mailing list, and the edit filter mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-11 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Isn't there an endemic confusion in the Wikipedias between what are primary sources (produced by the subject) and primary sources (original sources, as in History)? While the first should be avoided at all costs, the second should be preferred over secondary sources most of the time, as they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2018-06-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Kirill, I join Philip and Mardetanha on their concerns and questions. Having followed closely the Brazil situation - which ended up in the worst possible way, IMO - I'm very interested in your answer. Best, Paulo 2018-06-11 13:07 GMT+01:00 Mardetanha : > ​ Hi Kirill > > Philip's concerns

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-27 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello Jane, > ​ I think that we are in fact split down the middle into parties that believe "some languages are better than others" and "let's save all existing languages on the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- and offline". ​I don't know why do you wrote this, as I never had

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Celebrating Wikimania 2018 online

2018-07-26 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi ​ Yaroslav , I'm working with Mozambique as well. I've been thinking about adding all those divisions to Wikidata, and then generating the Wikipédia articles from that info (not "live", though, just copying the information). I believe it would be much quicker, and would fill and correct

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-27 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
sociation, their language is the best, and > any other speakers of their language should either conform or start their > own wiki, never mind local grammar rules, etc. I am surprised you haven't > come across this at all - consider yourself lucky! > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:35

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
018-07-30 8:01 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > How about Portuguese from Africa? > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 27 July 2018 at 16:41, Paulo Santos Perneta > wrote: > > > Hello Jane, > > > > Yes, maybe I have been lucky for having to deal with a Wikip

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sensory overloads

2018-08-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
One more here. I'm quite prone to get awful migraines on those situations of "sensorial overload". Though I'm often able to keep them at large with medication and some natural means, it would be very nice to have some quiet place to rest for a while, at least when our hotel room is not available.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Sensory overloads

2018-08-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I hope it wasn't called "introversion room"... That sounds awful. :| Paulo Amir E. Aharoni escreveu no dia quarta, 15/08/2018 à(s) 17:44: > Thank you for sharing this, Romaine. > > Our experiences are so different, and we should acknowledge it and cherish > it, and we need to respect all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
ast the Diversity WG is wonderfully volunteer-led and diverse, > but then I suspect the Diversity Working Group isn't going to be the > one making important governance recommendations. > > Chris > > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:20 PM Paulo Santos Perneta > wro

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello Pine, I know for a fact that some of the more knowledgeable and experienced members of our communities have applied to those WGs - at least about 10 candidatures have been sent. Not a single one was chosen, I believe because most of us are not on the "organized part of the movement", are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation and Kiwix partner to grow offline access to Wikipedia

2018-07-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I also have requests from schools and other educational institutions from Guinea-Bissau (Bissau and Bolama, specifically) to use Kiwix there to provide offline access to Wikipedia, as network communications there are still very faulty, while many people already have cell phones. It would be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-24 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
​ Hello David, > I do not agree that there should be speakers of all languages in the working groups. The language a person speaks says nothing about the ideas they support. There are monolingual English speakers that appreciate the value of having multilingualism play a prominent role in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-21 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
​Dear Kaarel, ​I am especially concerned that with the Portuguese language being the most spoken language in the Southern Hemisphere, ranking 5th/6th globally, among the dozens of members of the Strategy Working Groups that appear there, there is not a single native speaker of Portuguese. And, as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello, "*Given the extensive time commitment required for participation in the WGs, I think that it's reasonable to expect that a significant percentage of the members will be staff who are paid to participate because the time commitment is probably too heavy for many volunteers *" ( ​

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Iberocoop] Wikimedia Portugal General Assembly

2018-09-04 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
; >>- >> >>Gonçalo Themudo, president >>- >> >>André Barbosa, treasurer >> - >> >>Ana Cravo, secretary >> >> >> We also elected members for the other governing bodies of the chapter: >> >> General A

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-18 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Indeed. It's a very noticeable problem at the Wikipedia in Portuguese. During a workshop with librarians from the National Library last month, I was kind of shocked by the huge amount of semi-automated warnings they were receiving, some of them completely useless, as they were directed to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] when is the last time a one-line fundraising banner was A/B tested

2018-10-05 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
in Brazil? > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:29 AM Paulo Santos Perneta > wrote: > >... > > Looking by the sample I know in Brazil (last year fundraising campaign, > in > > August I believe) the Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia readers often got > > enraged to the po

Re: [Wikimedia-l] when is the last time a one-line fundraising banner was A/B tested

2018-10-05 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
/2018 à(s) 19:07: > Apparently it says $10 in Brazil? > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:29 AM Paulo Santos Perneta > wrote: > >... > > Looking by the sample I know in Brazil (last year fundraising campaign, > in > > August I believe) the Brazilian Portuguese Wikipe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plea from Wikimedia Portugal

2018-10-11 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Just a quick message to clarify that the only conflict that ever existed in Wikimedia Portugal, as far as I know, was with João Vasconcelos himself. Paulo Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l escreveu no dia quinta, 11/10/2018 à(s) 15:38: > The pro forma statement bout what a chapter is is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Plea from Wikimedia Portugal

2018-10-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
ith sides that have acted in very different > ways but Affcom and WMF do not care. As Brazil did, Portugal is rocking the > boat, and Affcom does not tolerate boat rocking. > > Chico Venancio > > [1] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Brazil_Next_Steps &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plea from Wikimedia Portugal

2018-10-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Since the first reports about Vasconcelos from WMPT to AffCom, before the 15 April General Assembly, we were asking AffCom for legal support to deal with the situation caused by Vasconcelos, as we are all volunteers and, unlike AffCom, we have no easy access to lawyers - or at least are unable to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] [AffCom] Plea from Wikimedia Portugal

2018-10-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
of The Law and the intervention of > legal anxieties (with their preoccupations with secrecy) has led to much of > the trouble here. So Pine, to your point: /more/ legal counsel reporting > to only one of the parties involved might not help. On the other hand, we > as a movement deci

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal regarding norms for meeting/deadline announcements

2018-10-22 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Point 3.1.3 of RFC 1855 (Netiquette Guidelines), 1995 [1] : "- Send mail when an answer to a question is for one person only. Remember that News has global distribution and the whole world probably is NOT interested in a personal response. However, don't hesitate to post when

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Summit 2019: Registration now open

2018-11-07 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
It is very sad that, despite Wikimedia Portugal currently having everything up to date, being a very active and thriving chapter, being the only remaining Portuguese-speaking Wikimedia organization in the whole Wikimedia movement, also acting as a facilitator to all the Wikimedia communities all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Summit 2019: Registration now open

2018-11-09 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello Pine, Sorry, I didn't wanted to mess up this thread, it was just a quick followup correcting that we may be able to carry on those events despite the suspension, but indeed it's not related to the Summit anymore (and thinking better, possibly of very limited interest for the people here in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Summit 2019: Registration now open

2018-11-09 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
two events to the project we already add, to try to save them adjusting them to the scope of the Russian culture, and I expect we could meet in the next few days, hopefully still in time to save the events Paulo, Wikimedia Portugal) Paulo Santos Perneta escreveu no dia quarta, 7/11/2018 à(s) 17

Re: [Wikimedia-l] when is the last time a one-line fundraising banner was A/B tested

2018-10-09 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
> > > > That would be appalling > > > Cheers, > > > Peter > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > > > Behalf Of James Salsman > > > Sent: 05 October 20

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy Process: Community update August 2018

2018-09-28 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello Nicole, Just to make sure I've correctly understood the scope of the Strategy Working Groups: "*After that, the groups will start to develop concrete recommendations for change on the structural level of our movement in key thematic areas, and how we might implement this change in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plea from Wikimedia Portugal

2018-10-10 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Some time ago, a Wikimedian friend told me AffCom is like the physician that comes to help with the cure when an Affiliate is ill. But that's really what they were in this WMPT case? This is a very bizarre situation, of which I'm personally having a lot of difficulties finding rational answers to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plea from Wikimedia Portugal

2018-10-10 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
oncerns — even if this means taking on slightly more legal risk — > would reduce some of these evident social risks. > > Warmly, > SJ > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 8:47 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Some time ago, a Wikimedian friend

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FY1718 Fundraising Report now published

2018-10-01 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I suppose Asia can do a lot better than 3 million, but I don't augur much success with increasing those campaigns for Africa and South America, at least using the current model. Looking by the sample I know in Brazil (last year fundraising campaign, in August I believe) the Brazilian Portuguese

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [wikimedia-pt] Capacity building plan for Wikimedia Portugal

2018-10-01 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
A big thank you to you, Gonçalo, for your extreme dedication and believing at all times it was worth it, even when me and others were not so sure. Paulo GoEthe.wiki escreveu no dia segunda, 1/10/2018 à(s) 08:52: > Dear members of AffCom, members of Wikimedia Portugal and Wikimedia > community,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Portugal General Assembly

2018-09-03 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
> >Gonçalo Themudo, president > > - > > > >André Barbosa, treasurer > >- > > > >Ana Cravo, secretary > > > > > > We also elected members for the other governing bodies of the chapter: > > > > General

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suspensions of affiliates

2018-09-21 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
ressed to anyone that would act properly. Should we > create a conflict resolution body to help AffCom? That may be the a good > start in my opinion, but let’s not keep it the way it is, for the best of > our community. > > Teles > > > > > Em qui, 20 de set de 2018 às 0

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

2018-09-26 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi everybody, Just a quick message to tell that, having experimented the former format of the WMCON, I fully agree with Cornelius vision of the Summit. Though I really loved the old format, I do agree it will be much more productive this new way, and the funds are much better used on such a more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

2018-09-26 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hey Chris, I'm also not specially fond of those "flipchart" workshops/sessions. I understand they are needed, but "that's not my beach", so to speak. Maybe I got it wrong, but I understood the strategy focus on the kind of connections, deals and partnerships everybody was already doing there:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suspensions of affiliates

2018-09-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Two illegal requests, to be more precise. Last 18 May, the AffCom demanded (by mail) that the recently elected (15 April) WMPT board stopped acting as such. However, under the Portuguese law, that board, which had been elected in a validated General Assembly, was the only valid board of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suspensions of affiliates

2018-09-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
equest was a demand that you > violate Portuguese law -- an interpretation that you somehow neglected to > mention to anyone at the time -- is a remarkable and brazen display of bad > faith. > > Regards, > Kirill > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 6:42 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suspensions of affiliates

2018-09-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Brazil_Next_Steps > > Chico Venancio > > 2018-09-25 19:42 GMT-03:00 Paulo Santos Perneta : > > > Two illegal requests, to be more precise. > > > > Last 18 May, the AffCom demanded (by mail) that the recently elected (15

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suspensions of affiliates

2018-09-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
it, as you did, while secretly > having no intention of complying with it in the first place is hardly > something one does when negotiating in good faith. > > Regards, > Kirill > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 8:24 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com&g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suspensions of affiliates

2018-09-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
organizational > governance practices with you based on an arbitrary and selective quoting > of the document. > > Regards, > Kirill > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:34 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Kirill, >> >> Correctio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suspensions of affiliates

2018-09-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
hat rogue element, not sending them. All those accusations were false, but you never excused yourselves, never retracted them, or even acknowledged their falsity. Can you please explain it now? Paulo Paulo Santos Perneta escreveu no dia quarta, 26/09/2018 à(s) 02:44: > Kirill, > > I r

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suspensions of affiliates

2018-09-20 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
e public and broader discussion among the Movement is needed about this. Paulo Paulo Santos Perneta escreveu no dia quinta, 20/09/2018 à(s) 00:56: > I completely agree with Lodewijk here: Publishing such warnings could very > well in effect kill off the affiliate, and make the warning m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Odp: Re: Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

2018-09-27 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I second Yaroslav here. Last year it was very obvious how disconnected was that strategy thing with the communities that actually build the projects. All that reached wiki.pt were kind of obvious generalities without much to tell about, which were generally ignored by the community. The Strategy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Yaroslav Blanter escreveu no dia domingo, 30/12/2018 à(s) 13:55: > Re milennials: this is clearly not a red herring. Just ask Facebook what > their demographics is and why the 18- generation is not using it. > Stats show that Galinha Pintadinha was one of the most viewed articles in 2018 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Kiril Simeonovski escreveu no dia segunda, 31/12/2018 à(s) 10:05: > some innovations. The problem with expanding an unchanged and obsolete > infrastructure to underrepresented groups might result to no avail and > further incentivise a major shift, thus doubling the cost invested in >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I expect the degree of incidence of vandalism and its patterns would remain the same in the brethren articles as in the parent one, so more items to watchlist should not be a problem (it will be shown moreless the same times as if it was in one piece, but showing the parts). It can also allow for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Ahh, it would really be a fantastic improvement if we could get rid of all that template & category clutter from the articles. Wikipedia categories are generally anathema to newbies, more like some weird and absurd core they have to do in order to have their article accepted. Even to me, who have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia fue brevemente inaccesible en Venezuela / Wikipedia was briefly inaccessible in Venezuela

2019-01-18 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Pine, Not briefly, but for 6 days already: *https://twitter.com/wikimedia_ve/status/1086073852323491841 * The blockage seems to be limited to government owned CanTV. But being the biggest ISP in Venezuela, the effects have been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed changes to the Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws

2018-12-08 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Indeed, the proposed changes do not seem to be an improvement at all, for the reasons stated in the talk page. Paulo Chris Keating escreveu no dia sábado, 8/12/2018 à(s) 09:46: > Same here! > > TL:DR – This might not be a great idea, because it’s not what User Groups > were designed for. And

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2019-01-04 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Jonathan Cardy escreveu no dia terça, 1/01/2019 à(s) 09:54: > Yes the greying of the pedia is a real phenomena, and I am sure that an > editor survey would confirm that on average we are getting older. > At least in the Lusophone world, evidence does not seem to support that idea of the greying

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2019-01-04 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Samuel Klein escreveu no dia terça, 1/01/2019 à(s) 00:51: > Dear Kiril, I assume you mean these lovely experiments by Shared Knowledge: > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_from_the_Republic_of_Macedonia > > They are lovely, and look like they are now in use. I like specific >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2019-01-04 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
As someone already mentioned earlier in this thread, I believe there is a concrete structural obstacle in mobile editing, which has to do with the ability of searching resources, quickly reading books, papers, PDF articles, a plethora of websites, news, etc, and using them in Wikipedia articles in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Content showcases? Examples needed

2019-01-11 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi, Two quick suggestions: - Picture of the year - Integrated and successful GLAMs, where valuable content from GLAM partners is reused in various Wikimedia projects, preferentially in an integrated way, and already being successfully used in educational institutions for teaching.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject Med Board Election Results

2019-04-05 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Many congratulations to the new elected board, I hope to meet you all in Wikimania! Paulo Shani Evenstein escreveu no dia quinta, 4/04/2019 à(s) 01:43: > Dear all, > > Last week a new board was elected > < > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Project_Med/Board/Election_2019#Summary > > > for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [strategy process] Fwd: I decided to leave the working group

2019-03-28 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I subscribe what Yaroslav wrote, line by line. My personal impression is that for the people who are at the onwiki communities, in which I include myself till 2018, this whole Strategy 2030 thing looks indeed like something happening in a distant galaxy, led by people with very little notion of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Affiliations Committee appointments

2019-02-21 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Satdeep & Tanvir stepped down, 2 reappointments, and 3 new appointments - 13-2+3=14 : Apparently AffCom has just expanded to 14 seats. Paulo Farah Jack Mustaklem escreveu no dia quinta, 21/02/2019 à(s) 18:10: > Hi everyone, > > I'm pleased to announce that Reda Kerbouche, Manavpreet Kaur, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Iberoconf 2019 - Declaration of Santiago regarding affiliates' rights and responsabilities

2019-02-22 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
A Portuguese version is also available now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Iberocoop:Iberoconf_2019/Carta_de_Santiago/pt Paulo Osmar Valdebenito escreveu no dia sexta, 22/02/2019 à(s) 01:43: > Hello friends, > > I would like to share with you the declaration made by most of the > participants

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
chic inside (affiliate > > structures are nothing more than just legal tools), whilst locals have > > centuries-old history of living together in Hunnic Empire, Cumania, > > Mongolic Empire, Golden Horde, Russian Empire, Soviet Union & now Russian > > Federation (

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws changed plus next steps

2019-02-21 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello, Chris Keating escreveu no dia quinta, 21/02/2019 à(s) 21:43: > (...) be fair the voices on the Meta page > were a relatively narrow slice of the overall Wikimedia community. > The so called "WMF gap" is a recurrent issue, and was the theme of a "working group proposal" (?) in a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Vito, I believe it depends on the way it is done. An edithaton on rappers & pop stars with high-school students could be a great way to get them into the project in a fun way. Then as they keep developing and diversifying their interests, as generally happens with growing kids, they have a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi, I absolutely agree with the idea of finding some way to know what is more popular / wanted by readers. And if we identify with it/want to invest some time in it / whatever, then we can have a good criteria to follow about what to create first, or invest more in. I have created myself a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please welcome the Wikimedia Foundation's new Chief Operating Officer, Janeen Uzzell

2019-02-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Great welcome from Madeira island, (sort of..) Portugal, Janneen! Wikimedia Portugal looks forward to work with you in anything you may need. Paulo - DarwIn Wikimedia Portugal Katherine Maher escreveu no dia quinta, 14/02/2019 à(s) 06:31: > Hello all! > > I am delighted to share with you that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello, camelia boban escreveu no dia terça, 12/02/2019 à(s) 11:18: > (...) > In line with the philosophy of the inclusion of the movement, AffCom has > acted as it always does when it receives affiliation requests: it assesses > the territorial overlap and the declared purpose of the requests

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
rs that were not consulted at all about the potential > > consequencies. This is a waste of volunteer time and efforts for > something > > that could have easily been prevented. Unfortunately, the Wikimedia > > Foundation and some other voices in the movement contribute to this > mise

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws changed plus next steps

2019-02-19 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi, I understand that, in face of this decision, something (the "movement"? the affiliates? who?) will have to come up with some process in some place (where?) to viabilize the inclusion of UGs in the Affiliate-selected Board seats (ASBS) 2019 process, which is expected to start in about 45 days.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Security Notification: Malware creating fake Wikipedia donation banner

2019-01-24 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi, I seem to recall some OTRS tickets recently sent warning about it. Should they be forward to any address in particular, in case they keep coming in? Paulo John Bennett escreveu no dia quinta, 24/01/2019 à(s) 14:02: > Hello, > > In order to keep the community informed of threats against

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Also reminding that most of us who are members of national chapters are volunteers at the projects, and many of us were in the projects for long before joining a chapter or UG. If the WMF spoils the chapters, we will find our way and do the same thing we are doing for ages, advancing good quality

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Have I missed something, or this discussion is nowhere to be seen at any of the Village Pumps of the Portuguese Wikipedia? Also, is there any point in discussing this onwiki, as it was in Commons by part of the community[1], if apparently there is not any following by the people in charge of this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I wouldn't describe Wikinews as a success case, though. Paulo Jennifer Pryor-Summers escreveu no dia segunda, 15/04/2019 à(s) 19:05: > Luiz > > > > > > If the true drivers behind this change are because WMF senior > > > management believe that the WMF is a competitor for Facebook or > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-16 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
16, 2019 at 3:49 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I wouldn't describe Wikinews as a success case, though. > > > > Paulo > > > > Compared to Wikitribune it is! But more importantly, if Wikinews is not > thriving, th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-16 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
The WMF should not sort out any demarcation issues. In fact, it should not sort out anything at all in the Movement. The WMF is administered by the Movement, and it's main purpose and mission is to serve it, not do dictate anything there. That is a boundary that should never be crossed. Best

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-16 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Why is it not consistent? If the event is encyclopedic, it can (and should) be treated by Wikipedia, same way as any other subject. I confess I've never understood the mantra of "Wikipedia is not a source of news", when it may be, indeed, and with great advantage, as it provides *context*, a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Helene Hahn and Mirjam Stegherr appointed to the WMDE board

2019-03-11 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Lukas, Helene and Mirjam , I join Camelia and Itzik in congratulating Wikimedia DE for finding an ingenious and clever solution for giving more gender diversity to the board, and getting those two fantastic new acquisitions to the board in the way! I wish a very warm welcome to Helene and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-27 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Shani, I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a group or community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the likes of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance? This is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Mister Thrapostibongles, I would believe so. However, after knowing a case where a WMF staff was fired after their denounce of such a situation caused a fuss in the target community, I'm not so sure the WMF shares that understanding. Until there is some strong standing from the WMF about such

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Grupo de Usuários Wiki Movimento Brasil

2019-05-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
iki/Muj(lh)eres_latinoamericanas_en_Wikimedia Best, Paulo Paulo Santos Perneta escreveu no dia quinta, 30/05/2019 à(s) 15:40: > Wonderful news! > Brazil has been for long one of the world leaders in Wikimedia educational > projects, with an excellent work on GLAMs, often in line wit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Grupo de Usuários Wiki Movimento Brasil

2019-05-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
ng to ensure there isn't a repeat > of past breakdowns in community cooperation? > > Kind regards > > Seddon > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:50 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > I would like to correc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Grupo de Usuários Wiki Movimento Brasil

2019-06-08 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hey, The affiliate was originally formed in 2008 as the wannabe chapter Wikimedia Brasil, and made its life as a chapter until 2010 when it was noticed that it was not incorporated nor had any intention of becoming incorporated, and the whole thing was canceled. Some of its members and new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Grupo de Usuários Wiki Movimento Brasil

2019-05-30 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Wonderful news! Brazil has been for long one of the world leaders in Wikimedia educational projects, with an excellent work on GLAMs, often in line with the educational projects, and generally with full Wikidata integration. It is very rewarding to see the group recognized again as a full-right

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Kedu ihe na-eme gị obi ụtọ n'izu a? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 26 May 2019)

2019-05-30 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
What is making me happy this week: - Helping the NOVA SBE library organizing this great event scheduled for next week: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:WikidataDays_2019_Lisbon - UG Wiki Movimento Brasil being recognized as a Wikimedia affiliate:

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikidata Days 2019 - Portugal

2019-05-29 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
the Wikimedia Foundation and the Wiki Movimento Brasil. Atenciosamente, Paulo Santos Perneta Wikimedia Portugal ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia commu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
At this point, it certainly looks like that. That, and the "f*** Arbcom" thing. If you know otherwise, please explain. Paulo David Gerard escreveu no dia sexta, 14/06/2019 à(s) 11:37: > and you're *seriously* positing that the WMF would ban an admin for > doing only what you describe? > > On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
and inflammatory comments does not seem like the wisest thing to do. Paulo A quinta, 13 de jun de 2019, 08:15, Chris Keating < chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> escreveu: > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 11:48 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Going there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Health, Roles & Responsibilities

2019-06-16 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
How is banning an user for 1 year for secrete reasons a "bold step"? What's the educative value of it? How does it advance any of those strategic objectives you mention there? Paulo Ad Huikeshoven escreveu no dia domingo, 16/06/2019 à(s) 22:03: > We are in a turbulent episode on this mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Both systems are horrible. Secret trials punishing people who don't even know they are being accused, and of what they are being accused, without any chance to appeal afterwards, are nothing short of horrible and inhumane. That, yes, is plain harassment against the victims of those secret trials.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
People shouldn't be going with any random option, but rather presume the innocence of others unless guilt is proven by some legit process. It seems that this very basic principle of Human Rights and dignity is being forgotten. There is not the least appearance of due process happening there, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
penal offenses." Unless > Fram is getting locked up in prison for his actions, let's drop the absurd > hyperbole that this is somehow a human rights violation. > > > Dan Rosenthal > > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 11:35 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
ng banned from a website > over bad conduct issues. You need not reply -- I'm done with this portion > of the conversation. > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 1:03 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I have never said that this is a human rights violation, s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-11 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Lack of transparency from the WMF, whatelse is new. I'm currently under a funding ban secretly decided (by who?) based on a false accusation, without providing any evidence. Until now I'm waiting for an explanation from the WMF. So, this sort of attitude doesn't surprise me at all. It is very

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
if people are killed or physically hurt? Paulo Amir Sarabadani escreveu no dia segunda, 17/06/2019 à(s) 15:36: > Are you comparing banning someone to participate at conference(s) with > hanging innocent people? > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 4:34 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > pa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
er words, the best way to ban anyone from any event is to start a > rumour about them? > > My understanding is that noone was banned from an event. > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 4:28 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com<mailto:paulospern...@gmail.com>> wrote: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
end of story, if not for the T interference. Paulo Dariusz Jemielniak escreveu no dia segunda, 17/06/2019 à(s) 16:04: > Hi Paulo, > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 4:54 PM Paulo Santos Perneta wrote: > " I'm referring to message from Caroline" - How have you jumpe

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