Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 April 2012 13:56, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote: Sure just about everything as in 1) Who should be on this committee 2) On what kind of requests should they form an opinion (not microgrants for example) 3) What are criteria 4) What is the process/timeline +

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-12 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 April 2012 17:51, Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.org wrote: If we simply select an FDC (btw - how would this happen?) and ask them to figure out the issues for themselves, this would be a recipe for serious challenges that could doom the FDC from the start. A relatively brief, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?

2012-05-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 May 2012 22:11, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that it is likely they'll need some kind of support.  The type of support they will need is mostly dependent on what their scope and responsibilities are, though.  This is very much cart-before-the-horse in my mind, kind of like

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 17 May 2012 13:32, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Because they are XML dumps, mainly.  The data in the WMF database is compressed in a format which can be easily randomly accessed. It's a dump. It's not supposed to be randomly accessed. We're talking about archives, not mirrors.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Larry Sanger rides again

2012-06-02 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 2 June 2012 23:33, Seth Finkelstein se...@sethf.com wrote:        Whatever one thinks of Larry Sanger's campaign regarding sexual material on Wikipedia or Commons, and I'm not endorsing everything he says, it should be clear from examination that he holds his views sincerely. Personally

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Any studies on economic impact of community-produced open data?

2012-06-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 June 2012 13:52, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: An alternative methodology would be to account for the value that would be required to replace Wikipedia if it didn't exist. As an example of this methodology you could take the traded price of a Wikipedia substitute (e.g.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-13 Thread Thomas Dalton
Why shouldn't spambots and vandals be notified? Just have the software automatically email anyone that is CUed. Then the threshold is simply whether you have an email address attached to your account or not. This seems like a good idea. People have a right to know what is being done with their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FSF Blocked by MS Net nanny software

2012-06-25 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jun 25, 2012 5:22 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: And this has what to do with the Wikimedia-l List? FSF are a partner of ours, so I guess it is on topic. I found it interesting. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board visitors resolution passed

2012-06-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
In what sense do these visitors have a one-year term when they are actually just attending one meeting? And why doesn't the board just allow anyone that wants to come along to observe their meetings? On 27 June 2012 23:58, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: All, FYI The Board of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Defense League RFC

2012-06-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 28 June 2012 22:59, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Well I am not a deletionist, I am just pointing out that there is a very strange criteria for deletion on the wikipedia, that is why i started the speedydeletion.wikia.com The article has several references to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Defense League RFC

2012-06-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 28 June 2012 23:10, J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov alexandrdmitriroma...@gmail.com wrote: Could we keep this thread on topic please  ? The thread has no topic. It was just an announcement pointing to the RFC, all the discussion is taking place there. There's no harm in re-purposing this thread to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Defense League RFC

2012-06-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 28 June 2012 23:26, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should debate what is and isn't thread hijacking, and when it may or may not be appropriate. The weather today in London was wonderful. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons down

2012-07-02 Thread Thomas Dalton
Wikipedia is down for me. I suggest we swarm on to IRC in large numbers - that always helps! On 2 July 2012 22:50, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: After ten minute and three unsuccessful attempts to categorise an image via Hotcat I've now got the following error message:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FAQ - Board Resolution on Personal Image Hiding Feature

2012-07-16 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 16 July 2012 14:44, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, letting this aside, will the board consider whether all slightly affected communities agree with whatever request happened to receive community support somewhere? For instance, I'm not sure there's any simple

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter report: WMNL, May and June

2012-07-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 22 July 2012 13:51, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, Here are the links to the chapter reports for WMNL in the months May and June 2012. Earlier, when I send reports, I got complaints that I have to (?) include the whole texts, but as the links should work fine, I don't

[Wikimedia-l] Where is the WMF annual plan?

2012-07-25 Thread Thomas Dalton
Where is the WMF annual plan? My understanding was that it was supposed to be published by the end of last week. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-07-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jul 29, 2012 3:33 AM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: 46 millions?? That is a joke right? Please someone tell me that this is a joke. It's not a very large increase on last year. It's a little tricky to make sure you are comparing like with like given the new way of treating chapter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-07-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jul 29, 2012 3:45 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I'm more curious about where the 9.9 million in revenue will come from in Q4, to be honest. (P.64 of the plan) The plan does seem to be missing the details on revenue... Isn't there normally a slide breaking down revenue into

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-07-29 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jul 29, 2012 7:01 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Risker wrote: This is a very good point, Thomas. Why exactly is there no place on a community wiki where this is being discussed? Instead it is being discussed on a mailing list to which the vast majority of the community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-07-29 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 29 July 2012 15:17, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: It seems to me despite the WMF's stated confidence, that the FDC allocating money to WMF for the GAC is somewhat questionable. Given that the WMF has failed, so far, to show a capacity for properly administering the existing grants by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012-07-29 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 29 July 2012 22:48, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: While I may not be involved in the Portuguese Wikipedia, I do have a masters degree in mathematics, so I can reliably inform you that majority

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012-07-29 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 29 July 2012 22:57, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Can your masters degree in mathematics point out where in Wikimedia's statement it said all or implied anything other than having met some of Portuguese Wikipedia's top contributors? Not sure what the big deal is. The word all actually

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-08-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 29 July 2012 07:11, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Let's use the page we used to use to discuss plans and budgets: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget I thought this was implicit, but apparently not: can someone from the WMF please answer the questions that are on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-08-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 August 2012 17:36, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: I checked the page a couple of days ago and didn't see any questions: maybe I was looking at the wrong page? The questions are on the page SJ suggested using: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 August 2012 20:43, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Could you get back to the BBC, please, David, and tell them that they somehow seem to have gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick here? And could you drop the gaffer tape and string jokes next time round? We operate the fifth

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
never crossed your lips, then. I still think you should call them and disabuse them of their notion that WMF is desperately short of cash. On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 August 2012 20:43, Andreas Kolbe jayen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board pages on WMF wiki

2012-08-11 Thread Thomas Dalton
Well, it was added by Matthew Roth, one of the WMF's comms people. I don't know if it originated with him, but he should be able to tell its more. I agree with its removal. It's a very strange but of text to have in board member bios. Including the board member's accomplishments is fine, but they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Should we lock StrategyWiki?

2012-08-12 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 12 August 2012 04:37, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: I don't favor locking it. We will need to update the strategic plan in a couple years. The original plan was intended to last through 2015, and I think the next planning process will need to start no later than 2014 (to say

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-20 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 20 August 2012 12:08, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: A question about copyright, who owns the copyright on Xrays and are they even copyrightable? I have uploaded a few of them and no one seems to know the answer. I guess the options would be: Why is it any different to any other work

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-20 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 20 August 2012 18:27, Cynthia Ashley-Nelson cindam...@gmail.com wrote: In the US, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) governs release of medical information, which includes any medium, including spoken, written, or electronically stored. This includes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 21 August 2012 19:44, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: In most cases ( Covering the significant majority of all x-rays existing, but not ruling out the possibility of rare uses of X-ray photography as an artistic medium) . . . 7 None of the above Utilitarian work = uncopyrightable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 22 August 2012 20:50, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: It possibly has a very thin copyright. Copyright doesn't have thickness. Either it is copyrightable or it isn't. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Sep 6, 2012 7:27 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Other than in the process of enforcing telecommunications law, is there any way to challenge the presumed immunity of a particular entity under Section 230? It seems to me, as a layperson, that Internet Brand's role in Wikitravel has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 September 2012 20:40, Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote: and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on free license... Well, it's Creative Commons

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 September 2012 20:59, Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Why attribute Wikitravel? The license only requires the author to be attributed, not the first publisher. Ideally, content will be copied across

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 September 2012 21:25, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: We encourage attribution of Wikipedia articles as: This article uses material from the Wikipedia article [[Metasyntactic variable]], which is released under the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call for volunteers: 2012-2013 Audit Committee

2012-09-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 8 September 2012 14:12, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: One quick question - will the Audit Committee work with/oversee the finances of the FDC as well? The FDC has its own Ombudspeople (person? not sure if it's one or two) but it's not clear whether the scope of the AC has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-12 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 12 September 2012 08:45, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Also from Para 1, how can a person violate a contract without being a party to it? That's what tortuous interference is all about. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 19 September 2012 12:51, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 12:08, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 10:46, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 10:24, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: He gets to decide

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia-blog] [Wikimedia Announcements] Joint statement from Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia UK

2012-09-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
How about you shake your addiction to secrecy and tell us what the problem is? On Sep 28, 2012 11:20 PM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: On 28 Sep 2012, at 23:17, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 28 September 2012 23:00, Michael Peel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What is the status of the WCA?

2012-10-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
16:12, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: What is the current status of the WCA? The last update I can find is an email from Ziko to this list on 24 August (a month and a half ago) saying there would be a full report soon. Have I missed that report or are we still waiting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

2012-10-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 October 2012 00:31, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed. If we split movement-wide costs into essential, high priority, and non-core, I think the FDC should grow to review most of the non-essential funds. Which would include more than 10% of the WMF budget. If you view it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Recruitment process for Secretary General of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-10-11 Thread Thomas Dalton
The consultant has apparently been chosen already based on a recommendation from Pavel. What other consultants were considered? What was the process? Did you get competing quotes? On Oct 10, 2012 10:39 PM, Fae f...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Hi, I have created

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFT5: what practical benefits has it had?

2012-10-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 14 October 2012 20:19, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed; I remember some (internal) announcements around this, which caused me and no doubt others to while away an evening just after deployment clicking helpful/unhelpful :) I didn't spend an entire evening on it, but I can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-15 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Oct 15, 2012 6:06 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, This announcement is worrying, to say the least. In other words, the Wikimedia Foundation is doing a partnership with one of the most retrograde government, which is also a regular censor on Internet content. How could you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

2012-10-21 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 21 October 2012 22:29, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: The connection is that it is an example of the significantly more negative/hostile environment and failure of en.wp's governance structure that harms editor retention; this is something that could have been studied and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-02 Thread Thomas Dalton
Bishaka, Seeing as there was no public discussion of these amendments, to my knowledge, can you at least explain them now? The responsibilities of the Secretary and Treasurer are board responsibilities. While the day-to-day work of the role may be delegated to staff, it is still the job of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-02 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Nov 2, 2012 3:07 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: The responsibilities of the Secretary and Treasurer are board responsibilities. While the day-to-day work of the role may be delegated

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Under block threat on fr.wp because of request on meta

2012-11-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
You're taking about a whistleblower policy[1], essentially. Normally, they are restricted to reporting violations off the law, rather than internal policies (see the Foundation's policy[2] for example) but there is no reason we couldn't have a broader one. It would need to be quite limited in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Democratizing the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-11-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
Transparency is necessary for democracy, but it is only one part of it. I think Lodewijk wants to discuss ways of involving the community in the Foundation's governance, not just ways to keep it informed. On Nov 3, 2012 12:48 PM, Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/11/3

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
I would be very surprised if the trustee Secretary actually took minutes... That would usually be delegated... On Nov 6, 2012 12:02 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: It would strike me that one of the urgencies that might be involved is the fact that this resolution was passed so that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
resolutions? Further, it's to improve compliance with legislation. Thus, it's housekeeping. Risker On 5 November 2012 19:04, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I would be very surprised if the trustee Secretary actually took minutes... That would usually be delegated... On Nov 6

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

2012-11-15 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Nov 15, 2012 7:26 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl wrote: and also that WCA membership fees have been deducted for everyone (but not other WCA-related costs), as WCA may apply for FDC funding directly (or choose a different model, once it is decided, and the organization

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

2012-11-15 Thread Thomas Dalton
If nobody gave funding to things that aren't operational yet, not a lot would happen... On Nov 15, 2012 8:03 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like it would've made more sense to exclude WCA costs entirely, since it doesn't actually exist nor does it have any meaningful operations

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

2012-11-15 Thread Thomas Dalton
I agree that the explanations could be more details. In particular, I would be interested to know where some of the numbers came from. For example, take WMUK. I agree that WMUK's plan was over ambitious, but how did the FDC come to that particular recommendation? Presumably they had some kind of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

2012-11-16 Thread Thomas Dalton
I was also expecting a much more detailed report. I remember having a discussion with Anasuya about the timetable and I pointed out that she hadn't scheduled enough time for writing up the report. If she was thinking of a report like this one, then I can see why we disagreed. I thought a lot more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

2012-11-16 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 16 November 2012 13:06, Osmar Valdebenito os...@wikimediachile.cl wrote: Yes, it would be great to have a lot of details and I haven't seen any problems by the FDC to provide them as long as you ask them but you can't expect them to do all that extra work 'for free'. Yes, you can. When you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

2012-11-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Nov 17, 2012 7:28 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas Dalton, 16/11/2012 13:25: I was also expecting a much more detailed report. I remember having a discussion with Anasuya about the timetable and I pointed out that she hadn't scheduled enough time for writing up

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser launch update

2012-11-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
This is an interesting idea, and makes a lot of sense. Non-English fundraising hasn't really had the attention it needs in previous years (for obvious reasons - it's more efficient to focus your attention where you can achieve the most) and this should make a big difference. I'm curious, as you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser launch update

2012-11-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Nov 26, 2012 5:15 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: This year we did something different and went up all over the world for 24 hours on Nov 15 as sort of a dress rehearsal. That really helped us to identify a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser launch update

2012-11-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 27 November 2012 15:06, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Thanks for the announcement. I'm curious how it will work out. Would it be possible to give a ballpark figure on what percentage of what amount you're expecting/aiming to collect in these five countries in this month, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 28 November 2012 14:41, Charles Andrès charles.and...@wikimedia.ch wrote: In fact we haven't seen the link before but we had the same in Switzerland, it seems that in a way people complain about the traditional banners that are to intrusive, but in the other hand they are more suspicious

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 December 2012 20:11, Pavel Richter pavel.rich...@wikimedia.de wrote: the thing we are selling to people As I see it, we are not *selling *anything. Wikimedia provides a free encyclopedia to the public, and it promotes Free Knowledge worldwide. For this, we ask for donations, during a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-04 Thread Thomas Dalton
Zack, you may want to look up sample bias... Of course you don't get many complaints from the people that responded positively to the banners... On Dec 4, 2012 5:56 PM, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: Unacceptable!

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-04 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 4, 2012 7:56 PM, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: Next year, we'll discuss options and do some surveys of logged in and not-logged-in users and try to make a good decision about what the least painful way for all will be to raise the money. Collating some good quality data would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Announcement: Wikimedia Foundation restructure (Global Dev Engineering)

2012-12-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 December 2012 00:04, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: First, we’re going to revamp Global Development. Starting now, that department will be called Grantmaking and Programs. It will be co-led by Anasuya (grantmaking) and Frank (programs). Anasuya and Frank will have separate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] brief WMDE fundraising update

2012-12-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 17, 2012 2:21 PM, Michael Jahn michael.j...@wikimedia.de wrote: Dear all, just a brief update from Wikimedia Deutschland on our current fundraising campaign. It's been running since November 13, involving variations of facts banners in combination with personal appeals. We're on track

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising updates?

2012-12-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
Have you considered doing some longer tests? Lasting a week, say. It would enable you to do proper multivariate testing, including dependencies between variables (which I don't think you have done any real tests of yet). It would also let you test time dependence. Eg., does a particular message

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising updates?

2012-12-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 17 December 2012 17:28, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas writes: You could also model banner fatigue properly, which could be very useful. Yes, a detailed model of banner fatigue would be fascinating. It's certainly something studied by many groups in different contexts;

Re: [Wikimedia-l] bond funds? (was Re: Annual Audit of the Wikimedia Foundation)

2012-12-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
This mailing list is not a suitable venue for a detailed discussion about investment strategy. There are a lot of different things you have to take into account when choosing investments. If the foundation wants to investigate other investment options they need to get a professional investment

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fundraising status?

2012-12-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 27, 2012 10:50 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: this is the most current iteration of a type of thread that I find contributes a great deal of stress to my work here. There are a number of assumptions that strike me as bad faith and many of them are targeted at people I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fundraising status?

2012-12-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 28, 2012 12:52 AM, Matthew Roth mr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect the assumption of bad faith is because he doesn't believe anyone could genuinely propose such a ridiculously bad idea. When limits

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fundraising status?

2012-12-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 28, 2012 1:02 AM, cyrano cyrano.faw...@gmail.com wrote: Le 27/12/2012 21:34, Thomas Dalton a écrit : On Dec 27, 2012 10:50 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: this is the most current iteration of a type of thread that I find contributes a great deal of stress to my work here

Re: [Wikimedia-l] If I could talk to the wiki folks...

2012-12-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
Very nice! I'll expect a performance in Hong Kong! On a serious note, have you seen Geoff's comments on naming of affiliate organisations? On Dec 28, 2012 4:18 PM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, A week ago, as I found out now, a new association has been found in New York:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] If I could talk to the wiki folks...

2012-12-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 28, 2012 7:12 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Hi, it should probably be emphasized that this organization was founded against the advice of the Wikimedia Foundations' Affiliate Committee. It is not recognized at this point. Does it have a license to use the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2012-12-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
I'm not quite sure what you mean by multivariate analysis... You only seem to be talking about one variable - the message. On Dec 28, 2012 9:46 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: How about for the April fundraiser, instead of setting a dollar value goal, we agree to use multivariate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2012-12-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 28, 2012 10:12 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not quite sure what you mean by multivariate analysis I mean as in the tests done May 16, September 20, and October 9 reported at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2012/We_Need_A_Breakthrough without adjusting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] If I could talk to the wiki folks...

2012-12-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 28, 2012 9:53 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 28, 2012 7:12 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Hi, it should probably be emphasized that this organization

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2013-01-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 January 2013 08:08, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Does that sound like the kind of people who would want to risk losing talent because their donations were limited to a fundraising goal set based on the blatantly false assertion that we aren't able to raise enough money to pay

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annual Audit of the Wikimedia Foundation

2013-01-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jan 3, 2013 6:47 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Also, I found it interesting that donations increased by 52 % and operating expenses for fundraising by 41 %. What did you find interesting about that? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2013-01-04 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 4 January 2013 18:17, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: And then again we would be comparing the salary I had in such company after 5 years of (hopefully good) work, not the one I had at the beginning. It would be very unusual for an employer to disregard previous experience when setting a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Chapter reports WMNL

2013-01-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jan 6, 2013 11:06 PM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: I don't see a reason for this tone, and I think that everyone who is interested in the reports will easily find them. The problem is, it's hard to know if you are interested in the report without having any idea what it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rationale for fundraising record?

2013-01-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jan 7, 2013 2:08 AM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: We do know that this year the decay of fundraising from day to day was steeper than in past years, confirming that we were eating into out existing donor pool faster than before. On the contrary, December 3rd was a stronger

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Portuguese Wikipedia at the mercy of a few rogue editors

2013-01-12 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jan 12, 2013 3:38 PM, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote: Dear Colleagues Let me start off by pointing out the fact that I am never sure about exactly what issues are handled on this list and secondly when are the issues of a specific language Wikipedia handled among that community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia ED Sue Gardner named to Global Voices Board of Directors (MZMcBride)

2013-01-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jan 17, 2013 7:11 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: So I trust this bodes well for the (originally 2008) proposal to fund Wikinews reporters which has surfaced from the community in various forms through the years -- e.g.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Licencing question

2013-01-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 22 January 2013 16:51, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: It appears that opinion is divided on whether a hyperlink is acceptable as attribution, therefore I'm asking the experts: - Does anyone have any input on this? - Has this discussion been had before, if so,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Licencing question

2013-01-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 23 January 2013 10:10, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Hello all, An issue this raises for me is this: If we're to include copyright information on blog posts regarding the use of CC licensed images, is this going to have to be applied to all Wikipedia articles

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours

2013-01-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jan 26, 2013 1:55 PM, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote: That makes more sense - but to turn that into a noun (we are having office hours on Tuesday, is stretching the borders of everything language. It makes perfect sense to me. It's a particular period of time that is spent in an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Legalised Piracy

2013-01-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 30 January 2013 12:12, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Very interesting things happening in Antigua and the US: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21247683 Essentially, the World Trade Organization (WTO) have ruled that the islands have the right to suspend US

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 February 2013 13:52, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: I think the failure of the WCA process thus far has shown an enormous lack of connection between chapter bureaucracy and what editors actually care about. Pretty much everything the WMF and chapters do is stuff editors don't care

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 February 2013 14:44, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote: I said this in Berlin, and I will repeat here: Why the chapters do not apply the Wiki model in the offline world? Because different problems require different solutions.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 February 2013 14:55, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote: So ... you not believes in the model Wiki, and also not believes that he can be used in other locations, unless in building a encyclopedia? It may be useful in other situations, but there is no reason to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 February 2013 15:31, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote: HEHHEHEHE, okay, okay So... do you not believe? I find it odd organizations that promote free collaborative construction, do not to believe in their own model, do not use the model itself and talk that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 February 2013 21:33, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote: *They represent the chapters. * That terrifies me... You are terrified by people appointed by the chapters as their representatives representing the chapters? I'm afraid you really aren't making any sense...

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 February 2013 22:17, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: I think the concern regarding the WCA primarily arises from the proposed paying of people who will be leading it. If these people are equivalent to the editors of content on Wikipedia (ie volunteers) and work from a virtual office

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 February 2013 23:31, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: The WCA is lead by the council, who are all volunteers. They will be supported by staff, but the council are in charge. I would love to have my Wikipedia work supported by staff too. It is... who do you think keeps the servers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Feb 17, 2013 8:29 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: I don't understand. The board hired and pays to a company to find a board member? Have we tried before via our networks, chapters, and via our advisory board to find such a person (as been done until now?). The chapters are used to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
I quite like questions 2, 6, 9 and 10 - the answers to those should help to show how well applicants understand our culture and what new insights they can bring to the table. The others are either too obscure for most applicants to be able to give an informed answer or aren't really things the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New proposal for a wiki Project!

2013-02-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Feb 18, 2013 10:27 PM, Kevin Behrens kevin_behr...@hotmail.de wrote: Language is identity! Would you like to tell those People that it is not bad when they lose their language. As I mentioned, I am a member of a linguistic minority, too, and I would feel like my human rights where taken if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 22 February 2013 17:42, cyrano cyrano.faw...@gmail.com wrote: Le 18/02/2013 20:35, Nathan a écrit : Cyrano - I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the Board. It is self-perpetuating in every respect; the elections are advisory only, and the actual appointment of

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