Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[James Alexander]

http://tinyurl.com/psjd6oy Appears to be the correct tinyurl now (it
appears when you get to the error screen from the original one but... it's
very hidden underneath a single linked period)

James Alexander
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On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Itzik Edri  wrote:

> "Error: TinyURL redirects to a TinyURL." :)
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Erik Zachte  wrote:
>
> > Here is notice that this issue has been resolved.
> >
> >
> >
> > A few days ago Christian Aistleitner patched webstatscollector to filter
> > bogus requests.
> >
> > After that I patched the raw data files since last July, substracting all
> > bogus counts.
> >
> >
> >
> > For an in-depth analysis of recent pageview trends after correction see
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/pmm66v4
> >
> >
> >
> > I also marked the bug as resolved
> >
> > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57980
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Erik Zachte
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Itzik Edri]

"Error: TinyURL redirects to a TinyURL." :)


On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Erik Zachte  wrote:

> Here is notice that this issue has been resolved.
>
>
>
> A few days ago Christian Aistleitner patched webstatscollector to filter
> bogus requests.
>
> After that I patched the raw data files since last July, substracting all
> bogus counts.
>
>
>
> For an in-depth analysis of recent pageview trends after correction see
>
> http://tinyurl.com/pmm66v4
>
>
>
> I also marked the bug as resolved
>
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57980
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Erik Zachte
>
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Erik Zachte]

Here is notice that this issue has been resolved.

 

A few days ago Christian Aistleitner patched webstatscollector to filter
bogus requests.

After that I patched the raw data files since last July, substracting all
bogus counts.

 

For an in-depth analysis of recent pageview trends after correction see 

http://tinyurl.com/pmm66v4

 

I also marked the bug as resolved

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57980

 

Cheers,

Erik Zachte

 

 

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Christian Aistleitner]

Hi Brad,

On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 10:18:08AM -0500, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Christian Aistleitner
>  wrote:
> > . No other requests to Special:MWOAuth/ , Special:OAuth/ . Should we
> > already see traffic to those endpoints?
> 
> Not a whole lot, yet, and it may never really get to be *that* many.
> On the other hand, maybe it will. [...]

Ok. Thanks for the clarification.

> The /initiate you saw should have been followed by a call to
> /authorize and then likely a call to /token, but of course those could
> have missed the sampling.

Yes, probably.

Thanks for explaining the course of actions for the endpoints, and the
examples.

Best regards,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Brad Jorsch (Anomie)]

On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Christian Aistleitner
 wrote:
> . No other requests to Special:MWOAuth/ , Special:OAuth/ . Should we
> already see traffic to those endpoints?

Not a whole lot, yet, and it may never really get to be *that* many.
On the other hand, maybe it will. It certainly shouldn't ever get
anywhere near the level of Special:CentralAutoLogin.

The /initiate you saw should have been followed by a call to
/authorize and then likely a call to /token, but of course those could
have missed the sampling. We've also got /verified, /identify, and
/grants in there.

Of all these, /authorize, /verified, and /grants are the only ones
that could remotely be considered a real pageview. You can see
/authorize by going to
https://tools.wmflabs.org/oauth-hello-world/enduser.php and clicking
the "Make an edit" button, /verified at
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:OAuth/verified&oauth_verifier=1234&oauth_token=5678,
and /grants at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:OAuth/grants.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Christian Aistleitner]

Hi Brad,

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 02:38:04PM -0500, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Erik Zachte  wrote:
> > Special:CentralAutoLogin/createSession
> > Special:CentralAutoLogin/start
> 
> You should also remove anything else beginning with Special:CentralAutoLogin/.
> 
> Maybe Special:MWOAuth/ and Special:OAuth/ too.

Thanks for pointing that out.

I have not fully caught up on reading up on the internals of our OAuth
implementation, but when looking at the sampled 1:1000 logs, I could
only find two requests to

  Special:OAuth/initiate

. No other requests to Special:MWOAuth/ , Special:OAuth/ . Should we
already see traffic to those endpoints?

Best regards,
Christian



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[Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[James Heilman]

However we have seen a 20-30% drop in pageviews coming out of this tool
http://toolserver.org/~alexz/pop/view.php

Mr.Z-man has looked into it here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mr.Z-man/pageview but has not seem to
have found the reason yet.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Brad Jorsch (Anomie), 27/11/2013 20:38:

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Erik Zachte  wrote:


Special:CentralAutoLogin/createSession
Special:CentralAutoLogin/start


You should also remove anything else beginning with Special:CentralAutoLogin/.

Maybe Special:MWOAuth/ and Special:OAuth/ too.


Or they could be used via /w/index.php* URLs so that they're not counted?

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Brad Jorsch (Anomie)]

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Erik Zachte  wrote:
>
> Special:CentralAutoLogin/createSession
> Special:CentralAutoLogin/start

You should also remove anything else beginning with Special:CentralAutoLogin/.

Maybe Special:MWOAuth/ and Special:OAuth/ too.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Erik Zachte]

Thanks all for thinking along. 

We have found the cause of the unbelievable growth in page views, and it turns 
out to be an bug indeed.

Around August 2013 a site change caused internal housekeeping messages to be 
counted as page views by our webstatscollector software.
As the patch was rolled out progressively, every month more bogus page views 
were added, up to several billion per month in November.
 
All page review reports now have a very clear warning about this issue.
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm

Thanks to Christian Aistleitner for pinpointing the specific new url's that 
caused overcount, of up to 100 million per day in November:

Special:CentralAutoLogin/createSession
Special:CentralAutoLogin/start
../autonym.ttf

Knowing this we can patch the hourly projectcount files. 
Original files: http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-raw/2013/2013-11/   
Patched files: http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-ez/projectcounts/
 

I'll reply on this thread when the patch has been applied.

Erik Zachte


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Anders Wennersten, 23/11/2013 08:49:

I have assumed it is an effect  of Google starting to show an extract
from Wikipedia on the page where they show hit results.


Assumptions are dangerous. The feature was apprently enabled on 
2012-12-04 for Spanish, French, German, Portuguese, Japanese, Russian 
and Italian; all those languages show a decrease in page views on that 
month (except Russian whose trend is constant though)... 
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

I meant "useful", of course; sorry for double post.

Federico Leva (Nemo), 23/11/2013 09:26:

Erik Zachte, 22/11/2013 23:21:

We noticed and are investigating. It surely looks almost too good to
be true.
Any suggestions for an explanation are welcome.


To address wild speculations on
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_Graph , it would be quite
useless to have even just a simple thing as an archive of all updates to
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportGoogle.htm . I
hope the server has space for 130 KB more each month. :)

Nemo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Erik Zachte, 22/11/2013 23:21:

We noticed and are investigating. It surely looks almost too good to be true.
Any suggestions for an explanation are welcome.


To address wild speculations on 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_Graph , it would be quite 
useless to have even just a simple thing as an archive of all updates to 
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportGoogle.htm . I 
hope the server has space for 130 KB more each month. :)


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Anders Wennersten]

I have assumed it is an effect  of Google starting to show an extract 
from Wikipedia on the page where they show hit results.


I raised the issue Sept 29 in a thread here called New Google interface 
to Wikipedia


Anders


Harsh Kothari skrev 2013-11-23 08:00:

Similar thing to Gujarati Wikipedia
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryGU.htm

Peak at August 2013
Down at April 2013

It may be possible that people who are using local language google search
increased.




On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Quim Gil  wrote:


On 11/22/2013 01:41 PM, Strainu wrote:

Has anything changed in the reporting or the visit patterns for these
Wikipedias? It looks pretty weird to have a 100% increase for Romanian
in just 3 months [1].
[1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryRO.htm

Pretty similar to Spanish and Catalan:

http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryES.htm
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryCA.htm

Some Catalan editors {{vague}} were wondering how much the nice pannel
featuring Wikipedia text and image in Google searches had to do with
this. But yes, it's almost too nice to be true.

It would be interesting to see whether the increase in page views pulls
a vawe of increased edits and editors numbers.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Harsh Kothari]

Similar thing to Gujarati Wikipedia
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryGU.htm

Peak at August 2013
Down at April 2013

It may be possible that people who are using local language google search
increased.




On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Quim Gil  wrote:

> On 11/22/2013 01:41 PM, Strainu wrote:
> > Has anything changed in the reporting or the visit patterns for these
> > Wikipedias? It looks pretty weird to have a 100% increase for Romanian
> > in just 3 months [1].
>
> > [1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryRO.htm
>
> Pretty similar to Spanish and Catalan:
>
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryES.htm
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryCA.htm
>
> Some Catalan editors {{vague}} were wondering how much the nice pannel
> featuring Wikipedia text and image in Google searches had to do with
> this. But yes, it's almost too nice to be true.
>
> It would be interesting to see whether the increase in page views pulls
> a vawe of increased edits and editors numbers.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Quim Gil]

On 11/22/2013 01:41 PM, Strainu wrote:
> Has anything changed in the reporting or the visit patterns for these
> Wikipedias? It looks pretty weird to have a 100% increase for Romanian
> in just 3 months [1].

> [1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryRO.htm

Pretty similar to Spanish and Catalan:

http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryES.htm
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryCA.htm

Some Catalan editors {{vague}} were wondering how much the nice pannel
featuring Wikipedia text and image in Google searches had to do with
this. But yes, it's almost too nice to be true.

It would be interesting to see whether the increase in page views pulls
a vawe of increased edits and editors numbers.

-- 
Quim Gil
Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil

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[Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Vishnu T]

Hi,

I closely monitor Indic WP stats and witnessed a similar near 100% spike
during April to June 2013. http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryBN.htm

Tried very much to find out what triggered this but didn't come across
anything  that significant to have caused this. Wondering if there is any
way to get a more nuanced understanding of such events? It would be helpful.

Vishnu




On Saturday, 23 November 2013, Lodewijk  wrote:
> I would guess either national press, or a change in how the popular search
> engines work?
>
> Are we running & recording certain defaulted random queries from time to
> time to compare?
>
> Lodewijk
>
>
> 2013/11/22 Erik Zachte 
>
>> Hi Strainu,
>>
>> We noticed and are investigating. It surely looks almost too good to be
>> true.
>> Any suggestions for an explanation are welcome.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Erik
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
>> wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Strainu
>> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 22:41
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Looking at the summary reports per language, I've noticed a linear,
>> significant increase in pageviews for many European languages (ro, bg,
hu,
>> fr) Wikipedias in the last 3 months. This is not happening for Asian
>> languages or Russian and is not obvious from the report card.
>>
>> Has anything changed in the reporting or the visit patterns for these
>> Wikipedias? It looks pretty weird to have a 100% increase for Romanian in
>> just 3 months [1].
>>
>> Thanks,
>>   Strainu
>>
>>
>> [1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryRO.htm
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Lodewijk]

I would guess either national press, or a change in how the popular search
engines work?

Are we running & recording certain defaulted random queries from time to
time to compare?

Lodewijk


2013/11/22 Erik Zachte 

> Hi Strainu,
>
> We noticed and are investigating. It surely looks almost too good to be
> true.
> Any suggestions for an explanation are welcome.
>
> Cheers,
> Erik
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Strainu
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 22:41
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> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months
>
> Hi,
>
> Looking at the summary reports per language, I've noticed a linear,
> significant increase in pageviews for many European languages (ro, bg, hu,
> fr) Wikipedias in the last 3 months. This is not happening for Asian
> languages or Russian and is not obvious from the report card.
>
> Has anything changed in the reporting or the visit patterns for these
> Wikipedias? It looks pretty weird to have a 100% increase for Romanian in
> just 3 months [1].
>
> Thanks,
>   Strainu
>
>
> [1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryRO.htm
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Erik Zachte]

Hi Strainu,

We noticed and are investigating. It surely looks almost too good to be true. 
Any suggestions for an explanation are welcome. 

Cheers,
Erik

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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

Hi,

Looking at the summary reports per language, I've noticed a linear, significant 
increase in pageviews for many European languages (ro, bg, hu, fr) Wikipedias 
in the last 3 months. This is not happening for Asian languages or Russian and 
is not obvious from the report card.

Has anything changed in the reporting or the visit patterns for these 
Wikipedias? It looks pretty weird to have a 100% increase for Romanian in just 
3 months [1].

Thanks,
  Strainu


[1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryRO.htm

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[Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

[Strainu]

Hi,

Looking at the summary reports per language, I've noticed a linear,
significant increase in pageviews for many European languages (ro, bg,
hu, fr) Wikipedias in the last 3 months. This is not happening for
Asian languages or Russian and is not obvious from the report card.

Has anything changed in the reporting or the visit patterns for these
Wikipedias? It looks pretty weird to have a 100% increase for Romanian
in just 3 months [1].

Thanks,
  Strainu


[1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryRO.htm

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