Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-30 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 07/12/2013 04:18 AM, Eddy Paine wrote:
 Dan, A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a
 problem. Thats common use. And they are all the same so thats a OK
 thing. The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a
 mascot and I agree with Erik we need Tux for Engineering. And no, we
 are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we should
 still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide.

I don't think that should be a requirement.  Even clothing choices are
not accepted world-wide (in some places, short sleeves and/or showing
your hair are considered unacceptable).

I see no problem with Brandon's choice to show his tattoo.  It might be
nice to use a greater depth of field so his face was in focus too, but
you can still see it.

Matt Flaschen

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-19 Thread Matthew Roth
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:33 PM, L. Tuxwell Anonanon t...@linuxlover.orgwrote:


 Roary, please know that I was not distressed by any of the earlier
 comments in this thread.  I see a vanguard of my relatives already
 quietly oversee the Wikimedia offices.  We are a sociable clan,[1]
 and accept your proffered paw of peace.  We find felines make fine
 company, with your flexible nature, thick skin and tendency toward
 deep furry naps.  You seem to be quite warm; I hope to get to know
 you more closely.[2]

   We are working on ways at managing consistency in house at the
  moment and appreciate your feedback and patience.
  More photos coming soon enough.
  Meal


 All this talk of feed consistency makes me hungry too.  I find the
 best-tasting feedback involves collaboration over a squid.[3]

 Love and Wikiwiki,
 Tux

 [1] http://bit.ly/12EeYcR
 [2] http://bit.ly/15HZHgi


tut tut, Tux. Bitly shortener?
http://ur1.ca/

:)




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 http://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/File:Gentoo_Penguin_**
 feeding_its_chick_(6063656750)**.jpghttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gentoo_Penguin_feeding_its_chick_(6063656750).jpg



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-16 Thread Steffen Prößdorf
Hi there,

2013/7/15 Melanie Brown mbr...@wikimedia.org

 Hello Everyone,

 As for the insights on staff photos, thank you for your feedback. Yes, we
 are in the process of creating some more consistency in our staff photos
 for the Wikimedia Foundation



Absolutely, more consistency is important.
I think everyone has to have the same tattoo as Juliana to be allowed to
work for WMF.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WIKIPEDIA-Tattoo.JPG

Happy inking,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-16 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Chris Keating
chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote:

 
  (Rumor has it that HR is soon going to introduce a new caring and
  loving penguin into the habitat. Perhaps the HR penguin can mediate
  should matters escalate quickly.)


 Erik - to be frank I think this would be a serious mistake.

 A penguin would have no understanding of the Wikimedia culture. I mean they
 spend all their time huddling on ice-floes! What's that got to do with
 creating an encyclopedia? I notice that hardly ANYONE edits Wikipedia from
 the South Pole, despite it being the only place that everyone can agree is
 in the Global South.

 Indeed, what's the whole contribution of Antarctica been to the Wikimedia
 movement? Sweet fanny adams, that's what. But it doesn't even warrant a
 mention in the Foundation strategic plan! There is literally a whole
 continent that we don't care about. I suppose because you don't get many
 icebergs in San Francisco somehow you think Antarctica does't matter.


The penguins should be much more comfortable on Wikisource.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-16 Thread Craig Franklin
Did she get permission to use the trademark in that way by WMF legal? :-)
On 17/07/2013 1:41 AM, Steffen Prößdorf steffen.proessd...@wikimedia.de
wrote:

 Hi there,

 2013/7/15 Melanie Brown mbr...@wikimedia.org

  Hello Everyone,
 
  As for the insights on staff photos, thank you for your feedback. Yes, we
  are in the process of creating some more consistency in our staff photos
  for the Wikimedia Foundation



 Absolutely, more consistency is important.
 I think everyone has to have the same tattoo as Juliana to be allowed to
 work for WMF.
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WIKIPEDIA-Tattoo.JPG

 Happy inking,
 Steffen

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-15 Thread Chris Keating
Uniform portraits?

Maybe that's an idea - I am just imagining Brandon in firefighter uniform,
James Forrester in the uniform of a Beefeater guarding the Tower of London,
and the whole of Legal in Special Forces cammo led by Geoff carrying a
pearl-handled Colt and chomping on a cigar.

Make it so!
This is all a style/composition question -

Do we want to aim for uniform portraits on the staff page or not?


On Jul 14, 2013, at 11:47 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 14 July 2013 00:44, Lucas Teles salvadore...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of
 this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a
 photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's
fingers.
 --Teles


 [1] -
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg
 Its not fine. Look at the colour blotching under the arm. I wouldn't
expect
 that from the 5DII even at ISO 640. Looks like its been pushed a bit too
 far in post. That said looking at Matthew 's other photos the camera seems
 to be struggling to get the light levels right when that EF 100mm f/2.8L
 Macro lens is used. Not sure why though since thats a pretty good lens
 camera combination. Perhaps if the WMF is going to insist on taking photos
 of people indoors under ambient light they should get him a EF 85 mm
f/1.2L
 II.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)

Erik Moeller, 15/07/2013 10:34:

(Rumor has it that HR is soon going to introduce a new caring and
loving penguin into the habitat. Perhaps the HR penguin can mediate
should matters escalate quickly.)


Scary. I think a copy of a recent statement on gun violence would also 
come handy. 
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/07/14/statement-president


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-15 Thread Melanie Brown
Hello Everyone,

As for the insights on staff photos, thank you for your feedback. Yes, we
are in the process of creating some more consistency in our staff photos
for the Wikimedia Foundation staff page, while allowing the people who work
here to be seen in a way that feels comfortable to them as well. It is a
nice balance that we are still refining. We will be getting a bunch of
photos taken during our next all staff meeting in September, so stay tuned.
:)

We are working on ways at managing consistency in house at the moment and
appreciate your feedback and patience.
More photos coming soon enough.
Mel


On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 2:44 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote:

 Erik Moeller, 15/07/2013 10:34:

  (Rumor has it that HR is soon going to introduce a new caring and
 loving penguin into the habitat. Perhaps the HR penguin can mediate
 should matters escalate quickly.)


 Scary. I think a copy of a recent statement on gun violence would also
 come handy. http://www.whitehouse.gov/**the-press-office/2013/07/14/**
 statement-presidenthttp://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/07/14/statement-president
 

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-15 Thread Oliver Keyes
Again with the cultural issues! I demand that Brandon get Rocker tattooed
on his other arm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mods_and_rockers


On 15 July 2013 19:27, John Andersson john.anders...@wikimedia.se wrote:

 As
  a non-native English speaker the only real problem that I can see is
 that the message could be hard to understand for some people. Hence, I
 hope that Brandon would be willing to internationalize himself a bit and
  add proper translations. The Swedish translation of Courage is Mod -
 feel free
 to add the new tattoo wherever you see fit.



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  Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 17:47:08 +0100
  From: geni...@gmail.com
  To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
  Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
 
  On 14 July 2013 00:44, Lucas Teles salvadore...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
   Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening
 of
   this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a
   photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's
 fingers.
   --Teles
  
  
   [1] -
 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg
  
  
  Its not fine. Look at the colour blotching under the arm. I wouldn't
 expect
  that from the 5DII even at ISO 640. Looks like its been pushed a bit too
  far in post. That said looking at Matthew 's other photos the camera
 seems
  to be struggling to get the light levels right when that EF 100mm f/2.8L
  Macro lens is used. Not sure why though since thats a pretty good lens
  camera combination. Perhaps if the WMF is going to insist on taking
 photos
  of people indoors under ambient light they should get him a EF 85 mm
 f/1.2L
  II.
 
  --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-15 Thread Matthew Roth
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:47 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 14 July 2013 00:44, Lucas Teles salvadore...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of
  this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a
  photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's
 fingers.
  --Teles
 
 
  [1] -
 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg
 
 
 Its not fine. Look at the colour blotching under the arm. I wouldn't expect
 that from the 5DII even at ISO 640. Looks like its been pushed a bit too
 far in post. That said looking at Matthew 's other photos the camera seems
 to be struggling to get the light levels right when that EF 100mm f/2.8L
 Macro lens is used. Not sure why though since thats a pretty good lens
 camera combination. Perhaps if the WMF is going to insist on taking photos
 of people indoors under ambient light they should get him a EF 85 mm f/1.2L

II.


I find this to be a terribly sexy proposition. I would urge geni to become
the new manager for equipment approvals.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-15 Thread Chris Keating

 (Rumor has it that HR is soon going to introduce a new caring and
 loving penguin into the habitat. Perhaps the HR penguin can mediate
 should matters escalate quickly.)


Erik - to be frank I think this would be a serious mistake.

A penguin would have no understanding of the Wikimedia culture. I mean they
spend all their time huddling on ice-floes! What's that got to do with
creating an encyclopedia? I notice that hardly ANYONE edits Wikipedia from
the South Pole, despite it being the only place that everyone can agree is
in the Global South.

Indeed, what's the whole contribution of Antarctica been to the Wikimedia
movement? Sweet fanny adams, that's what. But it doesn't even warrant a
mention in the Foundation strategic plan! There is literally a whole
continent that we don't care about. I suppose because you don't get many
icebergs in San Francisco somehow you think Antarctica does't matter.

Frankly we don't need a penguin in the HR department. We need a penguin on
the Foundation Board.

No, we need a penguin as Executive Director. While Sue has made some really
important contributions, I have never seen her hunt fish or waddle around
with an egg on her feet. That has to change and it has to change now. It's
the only way we will take the South Pole seriously.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-15 Thread David Gerard
On 15 July 2013 00:06, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 I'd say that yes, you want uniform pictures, with a uniform idea behind
 them. For example, all professional, or all slightly informal, or all
 crazy. It doesn't matter so much about tattoos, but they need to all have
 the same feel or the page just feels off...


I'd say it doesn't really *matter* as such, but all having *something*
in common (maybe lighting) would be nice. Ask Brandon, he's the
designer ;-)


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-15 Thread David Gerard
On 15 July 2013 21:41, Matthew Roth mr...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 I find this to be a terribly sexy proposition. I would urge geni to become
 the new manager for equipment approvals.


geni is a Commons admin. Nitpickers so formidable that Counsel has
expressed his admiration for their l33t nitpicking. You will have
*the* *best* equipment ... eventually.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-14 Thread Peter Southwood

Small teacup - big storm
Totally inoffensive.
Peter
- Original Message - 
From: Lucas Teles salvadore...@hotmail.com

To: Lista da Wikimedia wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 1:44 AM
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images


Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of 
this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a 
photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's 
fingers.

--Teles


[1] - https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg


Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 22:16:49 +0100
From: chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images


 I am extraordinarily confused to the point that I had to double check 
 my

 inbox that this is a Wikimedia-l thread.


I'd like someone to clarify if this thread has been approved by LaffCom?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-14 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 14 July 2013 00:44, Lucas Teles salvadore...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of
 this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a
 photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's fingers.
 --Teles

 I guess it's time to reveal the truth to all of you; Brandon doesn't
actually /have/ any fingers. A sad story, really - he irrevocably damaged
them throwing the horns at a Dethklok concert. You'd expect it to slow him
down, what with his employment as a designer, but luckily his hair is
perfectly serviceable as a contact medium with tablets - and, in a pinch,
can even be used as a brush.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-14 Thread Victor Grigas
This is all a style/composition question - 

Do we want to aim for uniform portraits on the staff page or not?


On Jul 14, 2013, at 11:47 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 14 July 2013 00:44, Lucas Teles salvadore...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of
 this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a
 photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's fingers.
 --Teles
 
 
 [1] - https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg
 Its not fine. Look at the colour blotching under the arm. I wouldn't expect
 that from the 5DII even at ISO 640. Looks like its been pushed a bit too
 far in post. That said looking at Matthew 's other photos the camera seems
 to be struggling to get the light levels right when that EF 100mm f/2.8L
 Macro lens is used. Not sure why though since thats a pretty good lens
 camera combination. Perhaps if the WMF is going to insist on taking photos
 of people indoors under ambient light they should get him a EF 85 mm f/1.2L
 II.
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-14 Thread Richard Symonds
I'd say that yes, you want uniform pictures, with a uniform idea behind
them. For example, all professional, or all slightly informal, or all
crazy. It doesn't matter so much about tattoos, but they need to all have
the same feel or the page just feels off...

At the moment it does look a bit odd from an external perspective when one
staff member has a different style of profile picture to everyone else. If
Brandon's picture was a little more focussed on his face rather than his
arm, then I don't think anyone would have a huge problem - except that
you'd then probably need to change other staff portraits to be informal (or
allow staff to pick which ones they want to have), and the changing (and
the approval and monitoring of picture changes to ensure that no-one does
something stupid) could increase your workload. Who gets the final say in
whether a picture is appropriate? Do you need a staff photo policy? Can I
change other people's photos if I'm their friend? Could we change Sue's for
a laugh on April 1? What happens if a staff member has a photo taken
without a shirt on, or with a potentially offensive tattoo, or an NRA (or a
political) logo on their baseball cap or shirt? Do we want to run the risk
of alienating and upsetting people over such a small thing as a staff
photo? How often do donors (including major gifts) see the page? Will it
affect them?

There's nothing wrong with a bit of style and a few changes - even lively
changes - it's good to make staff appear more like 'normal people'. But it
needs a bit of thought behind the scenes to make sure that there's no
disruption as a result, and that everyone knows that they can change their
picture if they wish. That said, we've got a community with very exacting
standards, and even small changes can lead to forty emails on a mailing
list quite easily... which is a bit disruptive, regardless of whether the
changes are good or bad!

(I also realise that I have written three paragraphs about this issue,
which is about the same length as the reports I write at work...)

Yours etc.,


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On 14 July 2013 23:37, Victor Grigas vgri...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 This is all a style/composition question -

 Do we want to aim for uniform portraits on the staff page or not?


 On Jul 14, 2013, at 11:47 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 14 July 2013 00:44, Lucas Teles salvadore...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening
 of
  this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a
  photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's
 fingers.
  --Teles
 
 
  [1] -
 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg
  Its not fine. Look at the colour blotching under the arm. I wouldn't
 expect
  that from the 5DII even at ISO 640. Looks like its been pushed a bit too
  far in post. That said looking at Matthew 's other photos the camera
 seems
  to be struggling to get the light levels right when that EF 100mm f/2.8L
  Macro lens is used. Not sure why though since thats a pretty good lens
  camera combination. Perhaps if the WMF is going to insist on taking
 photos
  of people indoors under ambient light they should get him a EF 85 mm
 f/1.2L
  II.
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-13 Thread Chris Keating

 I am extraordinarily confused to the point that I had to double check my
 inbox that this is a Wikimedia-l thread.


I'd like someone to clarify if this thread has been approved by LaffCom?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-13 Thread K. Peachey
The issue at the 26 odd email chain is that the staff member should be
the main focus of their staff photo? That doesn't seem unreasonable…

On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Lucas Teles salvadore...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of 
 this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a photo 
 of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's fingers.
 --Teles


 [1] - https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg

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[Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Eddy Paine
Hi, 
While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff can 
edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct place to 
post this. 
I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff in a 
good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being made by 
professionals for that. 
I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not suitable 
for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people and the 
picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the picture his is 
faded out. 
I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional. 
Ed
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Hydriz Scholz
Hi, a few things...

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote:

 Hi,
 While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff
 can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct
 place to post this.


There are volunteers that can also edit the Wikimedia Foundation website.
Such accounts can be requested at [[m:WMFACCOUNT]]. Also, the (more)
correct place to post this is to create a section at [[m:FWF]] so that
people with accounts on the Wikimedia Foundation wiki can look into it and
process your request


 I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff
 in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being
 made by professionals for that.
 I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not
 suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people
 and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the
 picture his is faded out.
 I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional.


I would agree with this, the new picture fades his face out, which would
defeat the purpose of properly identifying the person in particular. I am
going to let someone else change it though :)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more
unprofessional than absentee (for lack of a better term) pictures being
labeled Cloak of invisibility? Or the picture of Rory as mascot?

Further, what does all but neutral mean?

Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police because
someone might be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is
upset, and why?

-Dan


Dan Rosenthal


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote:

 Hi,
 While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff
 can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct
 place to post this.
 I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff
 in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being
 made by professionals for that.
 I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not
 suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people
 and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the
 picture his is faded out.
 I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Eddy Paine
Dan, 
A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a problem. Thats common 
use. And they are all the same so thats a OK thing.  
The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a mascot and I agree 
with Erik we need Tux for Engineering. 
And no, we are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we should 
still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide. Placing your tattoo 
on a staff page and your face faded away is provocating the fact that he has 
tattoo's and not proffesional. 
Secondly all staff pictures are made by a professional photographer? Or kind of 
in the same setting. That will keep the page uniform also. 
Ed
 From: swatjes...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:02:56 -0400
 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
 
 I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more
 unprofessional than absentee (for lack of a better term) pictures being
 labeled Cloak of invisibility? Or the picture of Rory as mascot?
 
 Further, what does all but neutral mean?
 
 Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police because
 someone might be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is
 upset, and why?
 
 -Dan
 
 
 Dan Rosenthal
 
 
 On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote:
 
  Hi,
  While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff
  can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct
  place to post this.
  I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff
  in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being
  made by professionals for that.
  I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not
  suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people
  and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the
  picture his is faded out.
  I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional.
  Ed
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Christophe Henner
Funny thing is, at my work I'm trying to get my staff to take crazy
picture for our public staff page. Pictures with stupid/crazy objects,
cosplaying, playing games, etc.

Because I believe my staff are not well represented by ID Card photos
(those are great for passports, but to provide an insight of what we
are... not so much). They're awesome people, with great personality
and I want people from the outside to know it, and I want people to
want to join us and knowing if they're hired they're walking into a
mad house.

So for one, I love Rory, and Brandon picture is just awesome.

My 2 cts
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On 12 July 2013 10:18, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote:
 Dan,
 A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a problem. Thats 
 common use. And they are all the same so thats a OK thing.
 The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a mascot and I 
 agree with Erik we need Tux for Engineering.
 And no, we are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we 
 should still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide. Placing 
 your tattoo on a staff page and your face faded away is provocating the fact 
 that he has tattoo's and not proffesional.
 Secondly all staff pictures are made by a professional photographer? Or kind 
 of in the same setting. That will keep the page uniform also.
 Ed
 From: swatjes...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:02:56 -0400
 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

 I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more
 unprofessional than absentee (for lack of a better term) pictures being
 labeled Cloak of invisibility? Or the picture of Rory as mascot?

 Further, what does all but neutral mean?

 Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police because
 someone might be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is
 upset, and why?

 -Dan


 Dan Rosenthal


 On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote:

  Hi,
  While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff
  can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct
  place to post this.
  I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff
  in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being
  made by professionals for that.
  I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not
  suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people
  and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the
  picture his is faded out.
  I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional.
  Ed
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Dan Rosenthal
You realize we have a page on Tattoos that shows just how prevalent they
are throughout the world, yes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tattoo


Also, I think you missed my sarcasm about Rory and the invisibility cloak.
They're non-issues, just as Brandon's photo is a non-issue.

-Dan


Dan Rosenthal


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote:

 Dan,
 A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a problem. Thats
 common use. And they are all the same so thats a OK thing.
 The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a mascot and I
 agree with Erik we need Tux for Engineering.
 And no, we are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we
 should still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide. Placing
 your tattoo on a staff page and your face faded away is provocating the
 fact that he has tattoo's and not proffesional.
 Secondly all staff pictures are made by a professional photographer? Or
 kind of in the same setting. That will keep the page uniform also.
 Ed
  From: swatjes...@gmail.com
  Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:02:56 -0400
  To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
  Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
 
  I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more
  unprofessional than absentee (for lack of a better term) pictures being
  labeled Cloak of invisibility? Or the picture of Rory as mascot?
 
  Further, what does all but neutral mean?
 
  Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police
 because
  someone might be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is
  upset, and why?
 
  -Dan
 
 
  Dan Rosenthal
 
 
  On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com
 wrote:
 
   Hi,
   While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff
   can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the
 correct
   place to post this.
   I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the
 staff
   in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being
   made by professionals for that.
   I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not
   suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage
 people
   and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on
 the
   picture his is faded out.
   I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional.
   Ed
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 July 2013 09:02, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote:

 Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police because
 someone might be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is
 upset, and why?


DFTT.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 12 July 2013 09:11, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 The real issue here is that the Legal Department has a stuffed animal
 mascot, while WMF engineering/product has absolutely no animals of any
 kind. I would put up a photograph of Tux, but I'm worried Rory will
 eat him.



If you're going to add a photo of Tux then you'll have to add a user
pagehttps://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Roryand accompanying email
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Strainu
2013/7/12 Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com:
 On 12 July 2013 09:11, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 The real issue here is that the Legal Department has a stuffed animal
 mascot, while WMF engineering/product has absolutely no animals of any
 kind. I would put up a photograph of Tux, but I'm worried Rory will
 eat him.

Well, I think the real real issue is that 10 emails in 2 hours is lame
for a Friday Flame :) I say we try again.

Strainu

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Craig Franklin
I think what's really offensive here is the implication that having a tat
means that you're not professional.  I don't have any ink myself, but I
respect the choice of those who do.

To be honest, I like the occasionally goofy pictures and profiles on the
WMF staff page; it shows that there are real people (and a tiger!) working
there and not just corporate drones.

Cheers,
Craig


On 12 July 2013 18:18, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote:

 Dan,
 A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a problem. Thats
 common use. And they are all the same so thats a OK thing.
 The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a mascot and I
 agree with Erik we need Tux for Engineering.
 And no, we are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we
 should still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide. Placing
 your tattoo on a staff page and your face faded away is provocating the
 fact that he has tattoo's and not proffesional.
 Secondly all staff pictures are made by a professional photographer? Or
 kind of in the same setting. That will keep the page uniform also.
 Ed
  From: swatjes...@gmail.com
  Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:02:56 -0400
  To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
  Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
 
  I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more
  unprofessional than absentee (for lack of a better term) pictures being
  labeled Cloak of invisibility? Or the picture of Rory as mascot?
 
  Further, what does all but neutral mean?
 
  Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police
 because
  someone might be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is
  upset, and why?
 
  -Dan
 
 
  Dan Rosenthal
 
 
  On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com
 wrote:
 
   Hi,
   While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff
   can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the
 correct
   place to post this.
   I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the
 staff
   in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being
   made by professionals for that.
   I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not
   suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage
 people
   and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on
 the
   picture his is faded out.
   I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional.
   Ed
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Oliver Keyes
Sure; there are countries with taboos around, for example, tattoos.
However, given that we run many encyclopaedias containing articles on
pretty much everything, taboo or no taboo (including ink!), anyone easily
offended is /going/ to be. There's a saying about horses and doors that
applies here.

Brandon does place his tattoo first. The tattoo, you will note, reads
courage. It's what is known as a statement. Brandon is endorsing being
bold, not endorsing being inked.


On 12 July 2013 12:10, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote:

 Hi,
 I didn't say that people with thats are not proffesionals. I have multiple
 myself also.
 I am saying that the page has a lay-out with pictures that all fit
 together and are specially made for that page. I believe you shouldn't
 destroy the lay-out or style by adding personal pictures. Otherwhise you
 should lose the style completly.
 Secondly we are a world wide organisation, and there are still enough
 countries where tats are not accepted yet. So it can be wise to try to
 minimise the things on pictures that can be offensive for some people.
 And as last. Brandon places his tattoo first and makes his face blurry.
 Thats why I started posting. If both the tattoo would be vissible and his
 face I wouldn't have any problems at all.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Huib Laurens
Its more like making a statement on your official homepage.


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Sure; there are countries with taboos around, for example, tattoos.
 However, given that we run many encyclopaedias containing articles on
 pretty much everything, taboo or no taboo (including ink!), anyone easily
 offended is /going/ to be. There's a saying about horses and doors that
 applies here.

 Brandon does place his tattoo first. The tattoo, you will note, reads
 courage. It's what is known as a statement. Brandon is endorsing being
 bold, not endorsing being inked.


 On 12 July 2013 12:10, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote:

  Hi,
  I didn't say that people with thats are not proffesionals. I have
 multiple
  myself also.
  I am saying that the page has a lay-out with pictures that all fit
  together and are specially made for that page. I believe you shouldn't
  destroy the lay-out or style by adding personal pictures. Otherwhise
 you
  should lose the style completly.
  Secondly we are a world wide organisation, and there are still enough
  countries where tats are not accepted yet. So it can be wise to try to
  minimise the things on pictures that can be offensive for some people.
  And as last. Brandon places his tattoo first and makes his face blurry.
  Thats why I started posting. If both the tattoo would be vissible and his
  face I wouldn't have any problems at all.
  Ed
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread FastLizard4
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On 7/12/2013 4:10 AM PDT, Eddy Paine wrote:
 ...and there are still enough countries where tats are not accepted yet. So 
 it can be wise to try to minimise the things on pictures that can be 
 offensive for some people

You make the presumption that the Wikimedia movement is any more
socially acceptable than tattoos are (at least in those countries).
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Michel Castelo Branco
There are countries where women showing her shoulders or nude head are not 
accepted yet. I think the staff should complaint only about what is accepted 
where they are (so they  wont be arrested).

Castelo Branco 

Em 12/07/2013, às 08:10, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com escreveu:

Hi, 
I didn't say that people with thats are not proffesionals. I have multiple 
myself also. 
I am saying that the page has a lay-out with pictures that all fit together and 
are specially made for that page. I believe you shouldn't destroy the lay-out 
or style by adding personal pictures. Otherwhise you should lose the style 
completly. 
Secondly we are a world wide organisation, and there are still enough countries 
where tats are not accepted yet. So it can be wise to try to minimise the 
things on pictures that can be offensive for some people. 
And as last. Brandon places his tattoo first and makes his face blurry. Thats 
why I started posting. If both the tattoo would be vissible and his face I 
wouldn't have any problems at all. 
Ed

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/12/2013 07:10 AM, Eddy Paine wrote:
 Secondly we are a world wide organisation, and there are still enough 
 countries where tats are not accepted yet.

Then surely, we must err on the side of conservatism!

Let's make certain that every woman on staff has a picture in a burka.

-- Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Rory
First, I want to make clear that I express no opinion on the ink
conversation. I respect the diverse points of views in our community. I
understand that everyone has their own stripes.

That said, I am deeply saddened and frankly shocked by allegations voiced
by certain people in this thread that somehow I would consider eating Tux,
the official mascot of the Linux kernel.

As a supporter of the free knowledge movement, I hunger for role models
like Tux.  Penguins are known for their outstanding qualities[1], and,
showing my good taste, I recognize that my small LCA Foundation profile [2]
hardly matches the prominent recognition of Tux’s Wikipedia article. [3]  I
accordingly decided long ago that Tux was off the menu.

To the contrary, I offer my paw in friendship to Tux.  Some say that open
source animals are full of bugs, turning them into organic delights. I do
support organic meats. I mean friends. Organic friends.

Delicious, organic friends.

I am really hungry now.  (I’m not allowed to eat legal interns anymore.[4])
 Tux, let’s get together soon, real soon, maybe over lunch.

Best,

 Rory

Mascot,
Legal and Community Advocacy




*Disclaimer:*
I cannot give legal advice because I am not licensed to practice law. I am
also a stuffed toy animal without human intelligence.




[1]
http://chicago.grubstreet.com/2008/05/what_does_penguin_meat_taste_l.html

http://chicago.grubstreet.com/2008/05/what_does_penguin_meat_taste_l.html

[2] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Roryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux

[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux

[4]
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Church,_Frederick_Stuart_-_Church_Tiger_having_eaten_professor_-_1905_-_large.jpg
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Cynthia Ashley-Nelson
Stripes. Yeah, right. Clearly, Rory is wearing tats of their own. Totally
covered in 'em! I'm calling foul. Delicious, organic friends... I wanna
see a photo of Tux to verify life.  Something's not right here.


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Rory roaaa...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 First, I want to make clear that I express no opinion on the ink
 conversation. I respect the diverse points of views in our community. I
 understand that everyone has their own stripes.

 That said, I am deeply saddened and frankly shocked by allegations voiced
 by certain people in this thread that somehow I would consider eating Tux,
 the official mascot of the Linux kernel.

 As a supporter of the free knowledge movement, I hunger for role models
 like Tux.  Penguins are known for their outstanding qualities[1], and,
 showing my good taste, I recognize that my small LCA Foundation profile [2]
 hardly matches the prominent recognition of Tux’s Wikipedia article. [3]  I
 accordingly decided long ago that Tux was off the menu.

 To the contrary, I offer my paw in friendship to Tux.  Some say that open
 source animals are full of bugs, turning them into organic delights. I do
 support organic meats. I mean friends. Organic friends.

 Delicious, organic friends.

 I am really hungry now.  (I’m not allowed to eat legal interns anymore.[4])
  Tux, let’s get together soon, real soon, maybe over lunch.

 Best,

  Rory

 Mascot,
 Legal and Community Advocacy




 *Disclaimer:*
 I cannot give legal advice because I am not licensed to practice law. I am
 also a stuffed toy animal without human intelligence.




 [1]
 http://chicago.grubstreet.com/2008/05/what_does_penguin_meat_taste_l.html

 http://chicago.grubstreet.com/2008/05/what_does_penguin_meat_taste_l.html
 

 [2] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Rory
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux

 [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux

 [4]

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Church,_Frederick_Stuart_-_Church_Tiger_having_eaten_professor_-_1905_-_large.jpg
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Michael Snow

On 7/12/2013 3:22 PM, Rory wrote:

I am really hungry now.  (I’m not allowed to eat legal interns anymore.[4])
  Tux, let’s get together soon, real soon, maybe over lunch.
Rory, if you're that desperate, may I suggest you scrounge around in 
your slippers? I'm sure you could find some tasty crumbs in there.


--Michael Snow

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread phoebe ayers
And what happened to 'assume good flavor'... I mean faith! Assume Good
Faith! I am sure that Rory has only the best intentions. But it is true
that his message could be misinterpreted.

I think we should all take a step back and try our very best not to eat
each other. I'm sure that if they don't meet over lunch -- and perhaps
ensure the expedient measure of living on different floors -- Rory and Tux
can be professional colleagues, with the same mission of delicious,
delicious (fish-flavored?) free knowledge.

-- phoebe


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Cynthia Ashley-Nelson
cindam...@gmail.comwrote:

 Stripes. Yeah, right. Clearly, Rory is wearing tats of their own. Totally
 covered in 'em! I'm calling foul. Delicious, organic friends... I wanna
 see a photo of Tux to verify life.  Something's not right here.


 On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Rory roaaa...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  First, I want to make clear that I express no opinion on the ink
  conversation. I respect the diverse points of views in our community. I
  understand that everyone has their own stripes.
 
  That said, I am deeply saddened and frankly shocked by allegations voiced
  by certain people in this thread that somehow I would consider eating
 Tux,
  the official mascot of the Linux kernel.
 
  As a supporter of the free knowledge movement, I hunger for role models
  like Tux.  Penguins are known for their outstanding qualities[1], and,
  showing my good taste, I recognize that my small LCA Foundation profile
 [2]
  hardly matches the prominent recognition of Tux’s Wikipedia article. [3]
  I
  accordingly decided long ago that Tux was off the menu.
 
  To the contrary, I offer my paw in friendship to Tux.  Some say that open
  source animals are full of bugs, turning them into organic delights. I do
  support organic meats. I mean friends. Organic friends.
 
  Delicious, organic friends.
 
  I am really hungry now.  (I’m not allowed to eat legal interns
 anymore.[4])
   Tux, let’s get together soon, real soon, maybe over lunch.
 
  Best,
 
   Rory
 
  Mascot,
  Legal and Community Advocacy
 
 
 
 
  *Disclaimer:*
  I cannot give legal advice because I am not licensed to practice law. I
 am
  also a stuffed toy animal without human intelligence.
 
 
 
 
  [1]
 
 http://chicago.grubstreet.com/2008/05/what_does_penguin_meat_taste_l.html
 
  
 http://chicago.grubstreet.com/2008/05/what_does_penguin_meat_taste_l.html
  
 
  [2] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Rory
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux
 
  [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux
 
  [4]
 
 
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Church,_Frederick_Stuart_-_Church_Tiger_having_eaten_professor_-_1905_-_large.jpg
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 5:54 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 And what happened to 'assume good flavor'... I mean faith! Assume Good
 Faith! I am sure that Rory has only the best intentions. But it is true
 that his message could be misinterpreted.

 I think we should all take a step back and try our very best not to eat
 each other. I'm sure that if they don't meet over lunch -- and perhaps
 ensure the expedient measure of living on different floors -- Rory and Tux
 can be professional colleagues, with the same mission of delicious,
 delicious (fish-flavored?) free knowledge.

 -- phoebe


I am extraordinarily confused to the point that I had to double check my
inbox that this is a Wikimedia-l thread.

Is this **humor** taking place here?

If so, it is off-topic and I would like to see this thread moderated.  We
don't deserve to giggle :)

-- 
~Keegan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
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