[Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)

2015-02-02 Thread Trillium Corsage
I wrote an open letter to Lila because I saw Philippe Beaudette saying he was 
taking advice from English Wikipedia Arbcom on the matter of offsite 
harassment. The problem is that is that Arbcom has an history of harassing. So 
it should not be giving any advice on the matter of stopping it. 

To make this case, I used the examples of FT2's Anvil Email threatening an 
editor's family and AGK's filing a trumped-up complaint to an editor's 
employer, and then on a similar theme I pointed to Wikimedia Foundation steward 
JurgenNL and administrator TBloemink's real-life stalking of MoiraMoira (they 
laughed about her on IRC and then took a train trip to visit her house).

I won't copy-paste the whole thing here, but if you're interested you'll find 
it here: http://timsongfan.livejournal.com/1971.html. Feedback is welcome. I 
think the WMF's policy of according IP and other sensitive user data via 
checkuser and UTRS and so forth to anonymous administrators is creating real 
risks to Wikipedia editors, and that is the case I make in the open letter.

Trillium Corsage 

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)

2015-02-02 Thread Hong, Yena
Uhm, was JurgenNL steward? I thought TBloemink was, not JurgenNL.

-Yena Hong (Revi)
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2015. 2. 2. 오후 11:49에 Trillium Corsage trillium2...@yandex.com님이 작성:

 I wrote an open letter to Lila because I saw Philippe Beaudette saying he
 was taking advice from English Wikipedia Arbcom on the matter of offsite
 harassment. The problem is that is that Arbcom has an history of harassing.
 So it should not be giving any advice on the matter of stopping it.

 To make this case, I used the examples of FT2's Anvil Email threatening
 an editor's family and AGK's filing a trumped-up complaint to an editor's
 employer, and then on a similar theme I pointed to Wikimedia Foundation
 steward JurgenNL and administrator TBloemink's real-life stalking of
 MoiraMoira (they laughed about her on IRC and then took a train trip to
 visit her house).

 I won't copy-paste the whole thing here, but if you're interested you'll
 find it here: http://timsongfan.livejournal.com/1971.html. Feedback is
 welcome. I think the WMF's policy of according IP and other sensitive user
 data via checkuser and UTRS and so forth to anonymous administrators is
 creating real risks to Wikipedia editors, and that is the case I make in
 the open letter.

 Trillium Corsage

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)

2015-02-02 Thread Nathan
I wasted the few minutes necessary to read Trillium's blog post, and I
don't recommend anyone else make that same mistake. He's taken a few
incidents in a 7 year period, presented them utterly without the totally
necessary context, and ignored any evidence that might make it clear how
silly and ignorant his (or her) position is.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)

2015-02-02 Thread Trillium Corsage
One is a steward the other is an administrator, I may have reversed their 
roles, but they are definitely the two that stalked Moiramoira.

Thanks for the notification, I'll doublecheck which is which and see about 
correcting that.

Trillium Corsage 

02.02.2015, 14:55, Hong, Yena li...@revi.pe.kr:
 Uhm, was JurgenNL steward? I thought TBloemink was, not JurgenNL.

 -Yena Hong (Revi)
 [[User:-revi]]
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 2015. 2. 2. 오후 11:49에 Trillium Corsage trillium2...@yandex.com님이 작성:
  I wrote an open letter to Lila because I saw Philippe Beaudette saying he
  was taking advice from English Wikipedia Arbcom on the matter of offsite
  harassment. The problem is that is that Arbcom has an history of harassing.
  So it should not be giving any advice on the matter of stopping it.

text clipped for brevity

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)

2015-02-02 Thread Trillium Corsage
Nathan, there is no context that could possibly justify those evidenced 
incidents of harassment and stalking. There is no excuse. The information is 
out there for anyone who wants to read about them, but it's wrong to attempt to 
rationalize them in a sea of details and that's why I didn't do it.

Trillium Corsage 

PS: yes, I identify as male (he, his etc.).

02.02.2015, 15:03, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com:
 I wasted the few minutes necessary to read Trillium's blog post, and I
 don't recommend anyone else make that same mistake. He's taken a few
 incidents in a 7 year period, presented them utterly without the totally
 necessary context, and ignored any evidence that might make it clear how
 silly and ignorant his (or her) position is.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)

2015-02-02 Thread Richard Farmbrough
It is true that our Arbitrators have not always behaved as we would wish,
and the cases that Trillium brings are are especially egregious, those
familiar with the the Arbcom leaks or indeed who have followed the actions
of the Committee, or dealt with individual Arbitrators on the English
Wikipedia, will be aware of many errors and abuses.  (They will also be
aware that the majority of Arbitrators have been assets to the community
the majority of the time.)

However the fact that a proportion, even if it were a significant
proportion, of the committee have feet of clay, does not mean that they are
not a useful collective resource to consult over harassment issues.

What we should take form the issues over the years is that it is worth
looking at ways to improve the governance structure.  Splitting check-user
form arbitration is one possible means.  Making checkuser more transparent
is another.  And real name accountability is a third.  Note that one
Arbitrator resigned (and pretty much left the project too) rather than
provide the WMF with his real name.

On 2 February 2015 at 15:12, Trillium Corsage trillium2...@yandex.com
wrote:

 Nathan, there is no context that could possibly justify those evidenced
 incidents of harassment and stalking. There is no excuse. The information
 is out there for anyone who wants to read about them, but it's wrong to
 attempt to rationalize them in a sea of details and that's why I didn't do
 it.

 Trillium Corsage

 PS: yes, I identify as male (he, his etc.).

 02.02.2015, 15:03, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com:
  I wasted the few minutes necessary to read Trillium's blog post, and I
  don't recommend anyone else make that same mistake. He's taken a few
  incidents in a 7 year period, presented them utterly without the totally
  necessary context, and ignored any evidence that might make it clear how
  silly and ignorant his (or her) position is.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)

2015-02-02 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
If the WMF is consulting any specific entity of an individual Wikimedia 
project out of 800 for a crosswiki matter, that's ridiculous, period. I 
don't see why bother looking into the specific merits of the entity in 
question, or the allegations about them.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)

2015-02-02 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Because the Arbitration Committee does have experience dealing with
harassment.  Not many projects have such a body dedicated to dealing with
conflict.  You are of course right that a general consultation should be
made, and I'm sure if there are other bodies you can point to the WMF would
love to consult with them too.

On 2 February 2015 at 18:04, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
wrote:

 If the WMF is consulting any specific entity of an individual Wikimedia
 project out of 800 for a crosswiki matter, that's ridiculous, period. I
 don't see why bother looking into the specific merits of the entity in
 question, or the allegations about them.

 Nemo


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