[Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?

[Nicholas Perry]

Hi Xavier,

The Google team previously followed up with me to say they believe
attribution should now be working in all languages on Google TV including
Catalan, and they provided some images of the attribution.

If you are still seeing this issue would you mind sharing the names of the
pages you're looking at so I can give specific examples to their team
to look into? If you have any screenshots or photos of the pages that are
missing attribution that would be helpful as well.

Thank you,

Nicholas

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 8:28 PM F. Xavier Dengra i Grau <
xavier.den...@protonmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Nicholas,
>
> Which was the outcome of the meeting with Google regarding the misuse of
> Wikipedia content by Google TV?
>
> After almost three months, I’ve seen no change (citation and/or link
> addition to the article) on the summary of the movie. However, since
> quite recently they link all titles with their respective Rotten Tomatoes
> critics at the bottom of the page.
>
> I think we should clearly not give up on this.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Xavier Dengra
>
>
> El dt, 30 ag., 2022 a 15:41, Nicholas Perry  va
> escriure:
>
> As others mentioned in the thread, WMF can't enforce this directly as it
> is not the copyright holder. However, in past instances, we have raised the
> issue with Google (similar to the KPN example) and will do so for this one
> as well.
>
> I am meeting with Google later today and will flag this to remind them of
> the copyright obligations that come with using this text.
>
> Thanks for surfacing this,
>
> Nicholas
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 12:58 PM 
> wrote:
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>> 1. Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license? (Peter Southwood)
>> 2. Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license? (Ciell Wikipedia)
>> 3. Re: [Small Wiki Toolkit] Writing Wikidata Queries Using WDQS Tool
>> Workshop On Tuesday, August 30th, 16:00 UTC
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>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:18:53 +0200
>> From: "Peter Southwood" 
>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?
>> To: "'F. Xavier Dengra i Grau'" ,
>> "'Wikimedia Mailing List'" 
>> Message-ID: <002201d8bc51$8963c6a0$9c2b53e0$@telkomsa.net>
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>> boundary="=_NextPart_000_0023_01D8BC62.4CF06730"
>>
>> If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF
>> themselves do not own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who
>> created the text. They can take this up with Google, the WMF cannot. If you
>> are one of those contributors you can approach Google as misusing your
>> copyright.
>>
>> Cheers, Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> From: F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l [mailto:
>> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
>> Sent: 29 August 2022 19:00
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List; le...@wikimedia.org
>> Cc: F. Xavier Dengra i Grau
>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to bring a legal concern here on Google's misuse of our content.
>> It came up today <
>> https://twitter.com/epineda/status/1564143156702199813?s=20=z2xu6PMB29vvkpNB79p2iQ>
>> on Twitter that the GoogleTV app had linked a movie description text in
>> Catalan language (which in principle it should be good news regarding
>> language normalization). However, shortly after a wikipedian colleague
>> realised that the text was fully taken by the Catalan Wikipedia. Once I
>> downloaded the app by myself, I double-checked that Google does not specify
>> anywhere (or at least that I could find minimally visible) that those lines
>> belong to Wikipedia: neither the origin, the license, nor a link to the
>> full article or to the CC license.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd like to recall the licensing footpage on Wikipedia (Text is available
>> under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0 <
&g

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?

[F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l]

Hi Nicholas,

Which was the outcome of the meeting with Google regarding the misuse of 
Wikipedia content by Google TV?

After almost three months, I’ve seen no change (citation and/or link addition 
to the article) on the summary of the movie. However, since quite recently they 
link all titles with their respective Rotten Tomatoes critics at the bottom of 
the page.

I think we should clearly not give up on this.

Kind regards,

Xavier Dengra

El dt, 30 ag., 2022 a 15:41, Nicholas Perry  va escriure:

> As others mentioned in the thread, WMF can't enforce this directly as it is 
> not the copyright holder. However, in past instances, we have raised the 
> issue with Google (similar to the KPN example) and will do so for this one as 
> well.
>
> I am meeting with Google later today and will flag this to remind them of the 
> copyright obligations that come with using this text.
>
> Thanks for surfacing this,
>
> Nicholas
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 12:58 PM  
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>> Workshop On Tuesday, August 30th, 16:00 UTC
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>>
>> ------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:18:53 +0200
>> From: "Peter Southwood" 
>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?
>> To: "'F. Xavier Dengra i Grau'" ,
>> "'Wikimedia Mailing List'" 
>> Message-ID: <002201d8bc51$8963c6a0$9c2b53e0$@telkomsa.net>
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
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>>
>> If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF themselves 
>> do not own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who created the 
>> text. They can take this up with Google, the WMF cannot. If you are one of 
>> those contributors you can approach Google as misusing your copyright.
>>
>> Cheers, Peter
>>
>> From: F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l 
>> [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
>> Sent: 29 August 2022 19:00
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List; le...@wikimedia.org
>> Cc: F. Xavier Dengra i Grau
>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I want to bring a legal concern here on Google's misuse of our content. It 
>> came up today 
>> <https://twitter.com/epineda/status/1564143156702199813?s=20=z2xu6PMB29vvkpNB79p2iQ>
>>  on Twitter that the GoogleTV app had linked a movie description text in 
>> Catalan language (which in principle it should be good news regarding 
>> language normalization). However, shortly after a wikipedian colleague 
>> realised that the text was fully taken by the Catalan Wikipedia. Once I 
>> downloaded the app by myself, I double-checked that Google does not specify 
>> anywhere (or at least that I could find minimally visible) that those lines 
>> belong to Wikipedia: neither the origin, the license, nor a link to the full 
>> article or to the CC license.
>>
>> I'd like to recall the licensing footpage on Wikipedia (Text is available 
>> under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License>
>>  ) and its conditions, as well as to ask others to check whether there's 
>> more situations like this one. It's worth noting how wrong this is to 
>> minoritised language Wikipedias: not only the legal issue itself, but also 
>> the lack of legitimate clicks and views that we end up losing, the confusion 
>> and misunderstandings from the readers that think this is a win by Google 
>> (the example I shared, with both screenshots enclosed), and even a 
>> subsequent chicken-and-egg situation that can lead to deleted articles by 
>> some users thinking that the content was stolen from Google and not actually 
&g

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?

[Antoine Musso]

Le 30/08/2022 à 17:47, The Cunctator a écrit :
I think the official WMF stance that it is functionally powerless is 
the wrong one to take. WMF should be much more aggressive, even if 
Google is a major donor to WMF.


Hello,

When someone or an organization reuse the Wikipedia content without out 
attributions, they are breaching the license which literally ask: "You 
must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author". Legally 
speaking I don't think the foundation can sue since it hasn't any claim 
on the content, the author has to do it. But it doesn't mean the 
foundation is powerless, it can provides legal assistance to author and 
it has a strong enough voice to relay a message from one of the 
contributions. That is what I call "having a high karma".


Whenever I need assistance from a third party, I would open my request 
with a line such as:


   /"Hello, I am working for Wikimedia, the foundation behind
   Wikipedia.  May you "./

Every single time I had a positive response and people were going above 
and beyond to assist, not me, but the projects. It is extremely powerful.


If we became aggressive and helped sue every single misuse of the 
licensed contents, the perceived message would certainly be that Wikis 
content is unsafe to use since it exposes one to legal retaliations. I 
am pretty sure the receivers would immediately remove all contents and 
never look back.


I don't think being aggressive would achieve our goals, but we 
definitely have all the powers to educate people and organizations on 
the license and how to reuse the content.


Antoine "hashar" Musso
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?

[Peter Southwood]

Agree that they could shake the tree a bit. I hope you will encourage them
to do that if you make it to the board. Cheers, Peter

-Original Message-
From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] 
Sent: 30 August 2022 14:39
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Cc: F. Xavier Dengra i Grau
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 10:18, Peter Southwood
 wrote:

> If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF
themselves do not
> own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who created the text.
They can take
> this up with Google,

All of the above is true.

> the WMF cannot

That is not true. The WMF cannot sue Google as a copyright holder.
However, there is nothing stopping WM from raising the issue with
Google, and gently reminding them of their obligations. Indeed, that
would probably be more effective than individual editors doing so.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?

[The Cunctator]

I think the official WMF stance that it is functionally powerless is the
wrong one to take. WMF should be much more aggressive, even if Google is a
major donor to WMF.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 11:16 AM Nicholas Perry  wrote:

> As others mentioned in the thread, WMF can't enforce this directly as it
> is not the copyright holder. However, in past instances, we have raised the
> issue with Google (similar to the KPN example) and will do so for this one
> as well.
>
> I am meeting with Google later today and will flag this to remind them of
> the copyright obligations that come with using this text.
>
> Thanks for surfacing this,
>
> Nicholas
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 12:58 PM 
> wrote:
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>>3. Re: [Small Wiki Toolkit] Writing Wikidata Queries Using WDQS Tool
>> Workshop On Tuesday, August 30th, 16:00 UTC
>>   (Seyram Komla Sapaty)
>>
>>
>> --------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:18:53 +0200
>> From: "Peter Southwood" 
>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?
>> To: "'F. Xavier Dengra i Grau'" ,
>> "'Wikimedia Mailing List'" 
>> Message-ID: <002201d8bc51$8963c6a0$9c2b53e0$@telkomsa.net>
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>> boundary="=_NextPart_000_0023_01D8BC62.4CF06730"
>>
>> If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF
>> themselves do not own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who
>> created the text. They can take this up with Google, the WMF cannot. If you
>> are one of those contributors you can approach Google as misusing your
>> copyright.
>>
>> Cheers,  Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> From: F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l [mailto:
>> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
>> Sent: 29 August 2022 19:00
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List; le...@wikimedia.org
>> Cc: F. Xavier Dengra i Grau
>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to bring a legal concern here on Google's misuse of our content.
>> It came up today <
>> https://twitter.com/epineda/status/1564143156702199813?s=20=z2xu6PMB29vvkpNB79p2iQ>
>> on Twitter that the GoogleTV app had linked a movie description text in
>> Catalan language (which in principle it should be good news regarding
>> language normalization). However, shortly after a wikipedian colleague
>> realised that the text was fully taken by the Catalan Wikipedia. Once I
>> downloaded the app by myself, I double-checked that Google does not specify
>> anywhere (or at least that I could find minimally visible) that those lines
>> belong to Wikipedia: neither the origin, the license, nor a link to the
>> full article or to the CC license.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd like to recall the licensing footpage on Wikipedia (Text is available
>> under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0 <
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License>
>> ) and its conditions, as well as to ask others to check whether there's
>> more situations like this one. It's worth noting how wrong this is to
>> minoritised language Wikipedias: not only the legal issue itself, but also
>> the lack of legitimate clicks and views that we end up losing, the
>> confusion and misunderstandings from the readers that think this is a win
>> by Google (the example I shared, with both screenshots enclosed), and even
>> a subsequent chicken-and-egg situation that can lead to deleted articles by
>> some users thinking that the content was stolen from Google and not
>> actually the opposite.
>>
>>
>>
>> I remember that there was a previous thread here, not so long ago, about
>> the problems of Goog

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?

[Nicholas Perry]

As others mentioned in the thread, WMF can't enforce this directly as it is
not the copyright holder. However, in past instances, we have raised the
issue with Google (similar to the KPN example) and will do so for this one
as well.

I am meeting with Google later today and will flag this to remind them of
the copyright obligations that come with using this text.

Thanks for surfacing this,

Nicholas


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> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?
> To: "'F. Xavier Dengra i Grau'" ,
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> If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF
> themselves do not own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who
> created the text. They can take this up with Google, the WMF cannot. If you
> are one of those contributors you can approach Google as misusing your
> copyright.
>
> Cheers,  Peter
>
>
>
> From: F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l [mailto:
> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
> Sent: 29 August 2022 19:00
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List; le...@wikimedia.org
> Cc: F. Xavier Dengra i Grau
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I want to bring a legal concern here on Google's misuse of our content. It
> came up today <
> https://twitter.com/epineda/status/1564143156702199813?s=20=z2xu6PMB29vvkpNB79p2iQ>
> on Twitter that the GoogleTV app had linked a movie description text in
> Catalan language (which in principle it should be good news regarding
> language normalization). However, shortly after a wikipedian colleague
> realised that the text was fully taken by the Catalan Wikipedia. Once I
> downloaded the app by myself, I double-checked that Google does not specify
> anywhere (or at least that I could find minimally visible) that those lines
> belong to Wikipedia: neither the origin, the license, nor a link to the
> full article or to the CC license.
>
>
>
> I'd like to recall the licensing footpage on Wikipedia (Text is available
> under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0 <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License>
> ) and its conditions, as well as to ask others to check whether there's
> more situations like this one. It's worth noting how wrong this is to
> minoritised language Wikipedias: not only the legal issue itself, but also
> the lack of legitimate clicks and views that we end up losing, the
> confusion and misunderstandings from the readers that think this is a win
> by Google (the example I shared, with both screenshots enclosed), and even
> a subsequent chicken-and-egg situation that can lead to deleted articles by
> some users thinking that the content was stolen from Google and not
> actually the opposite.
>
>
>
> I remember that there was a previous thread here, not so long ago, about
> the problems of Google taking over our data and therefore diminishing
> clicks to the Wikimedia projects. Considering that I am fully against the
> GAFAM-drift that the WMF is increasingly adopting by benefiting from Google
> in our human, economical and digital structures, I prefer to share it here
> as well -and not only to the legal team of the WMF (cced).
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Xavier Dengra
>
>
>
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?

[David Gerard]

yep. Asking nicely is always the best first option, and WMF is good at
that. Reusing our stuff is excellent, but correct licensing is important,
and a link back would be very nice.

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 13:50, Gnangarra  wrote:

> Agree with Andy here, the WMF cant sue as the copyright holder, but they
> do have leverage and direct connections to Google to remind them of
> their obligations as a reuser to follow the copyright licensing and at the
> very least acknowledge the work from a Wikipedia.  You'd think this would
> attribution requirment be built into the Wikimedia Enterprise agreements
> anyway with some form of assurance or penalty for failing to acknowledge a
> location where in the movement a fact came from.
>
> On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 20:40, Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 10:18, Peter Southwood
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF
>> themselves do not
>> > own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who created the
>> text. They can take
>> > this up with Google,
>>
>> All of the above is true.
>>
>> > the WMF cannot
>>
>> That is not true. The WMF cannot sue Google as a copyright holder.
>> However, there is nothing stopping WM from raising the issue with
>> Google, and gently reminding them of their obligations. Indeed, that
>> would probably be more effective than individual editors doing so.
>>
>> --
>> Andy Mabbett
>> @pigsonthewing
>> https://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?

[Gnangarra]

Agree with Andy here, the WMF cant sue as the copyright holder, but they do
have leverage and direct connections to Google to remind them of
their obligations as a reuser to follow the copyright licensing and at the
very least acknowledge the work from a Wikipedia.  You'd think this would
attribution requirment be built into the Wikimedia Enterprise agreements
anyway with some form of assurance or penalty for failing to acknowledge a
location where in the movement a fact came from.

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 20:40, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 10:18, Peter Southwood
>  wrote:
>
> > If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF
> themselves do not
> > own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who created the text.
> They can take
> > this up with Google,
>
> All of the above is true.
>
> > the WMF cannot
>
> That is not true. The WMF cannot sue Google as a copyright holder.
> However, there is nothing stopping WM from raising the issue with
> Google, and gently reminding them of their obligations. Indeed, that
> would probably be more effective than individual editors doing so.
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?

[Andy Mabbett]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 10:18, Peter Southwood
 wrote:

> If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF themselves 
> do not
> own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who created the text. They 
> can take
> this up with Google,

All of the above is true.

> the WMF cannot

That is not true. The WMF cannot sue Google as a copyright holder.
However, there is nothing stopping WM from raising the issue with
Google, and gently reminding them of their obligations. Indeed, that
would probably be more effective than individual editors doing so.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?

[Ciell Wikipedia]

We had a similar problem with the Dutch KPN interactive tv six years ago,
and as members of the Dutch WP community contacted the tv provider KPN, who
referred us to Metrological  for the issue.
Metrological has been very responsive and with the next update of the tv
app the copyright claim was replaced by a cc-by-sa notice for all three tv
providers (KPN, Telfort and XS4All) they served.
As I mentioned, this was in 2016, and I have no idea how the situation is
nowadays, but back then just sending an email and reaching out about the
wrong copyright claim worked for us.

Best,
Ciell


Op di 30 aug. 2022 om 00:41 schreef F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l
:

> Hi all,
>
> I want to bring a legal concern here on Google's misuse of our content. It
> came up today on Twitter
> 
> that the GoogleTV app had linked a movie description text in Catalan
> language (which in principle it should be good news regarding language
> normalization). However, shortly after a wikipedian colleague realised that
> the text was fully taken by the Catalan Wikipedia. Once I downloaded the
> app by myself, I double-checked that Google does not specify anywhere (or
> at least that I could find minimally visible) that those lines belong to
> Wikipedia: neither the origin, the license, nor a link to the full article
> or to the CC license.
>
> I'd like to recall the licensing footpage on Wikipedia (*Text is
> available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0
> *)
> and its conditions, as well as to ask others to check whether there's more
> situations like this one. It's worth noting how wrong this is to
> minoritised language Wikipedias: not only the legal issue itself, but also
> the lack of legitimate clicks and views that we end up losing, the
> confusion and misunderstandings from the readers that think this is a win
> by Google (the example I shared, with both screenshots enclosed), and even
> a subsequent chicken-and-egg situation that can lead to deleted articles by
> some users thinking that the content was stolen from Google and not
> actually the opposite.
>
> I remember that there was a previous thread here, not so long ago, about
> the problems of Google taking over our data and therefore diminishing
> clicks to the Wikimedia projects. Considering that I am fully against the
> GAFAM-drift that the WMF is increasingly adopting by benefiting from Google
> in our human, economical and digital structures, I prefer to share it here
> as well -and not only to the legal team of the WMF (cced).
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Xavier Dengra
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?

[Peter Southwood]

If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF themselves do 
not own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who created the text. 
They can take this up with Google, the WMF cannot. If you are one of those 
contributors you can approach Google as misusing your copyright.

Cheers,  Peter

 

From: F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l 
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Sent: 29 August 2022 19:00
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Cc: F. Xavier Dengra i Grau
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?

 

Hi all,

 

I want to bring a legal concern here on Google's misuse of our content. It came 
up today 

  on Twitter that the GoogleTV app had linked a movie description text in 
Catalan language (which in principle it should be good news regarding language 
normalization). However, shortly after a wikipedian colleague realised that the 
text was fully taken by the Catalan Wikipedia. Once I downloaded the app by 
myself, I double-checked that Google does not specify anywhere (or at least 
that I could find minimally visible) that those lines belong to Wikipedia: 
neither the origin, the license, nor a link to the full article or to the CC 
license.

 

I'd like to recall the licensing footpage on Wikipedia (Text is available under 
the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0 

 ) and its conditions, as well as to ask others to check whether there's more 
situations like this one. It's worth noting how wrong this is to minoritised 
language Wikipedias: not only the legal issue itself, but also the lack of 
legitimate clicks and views that we end up losing, the confusion and 
misunderstandings from the readers that think this is a win by Google (the 
example I shared, with both screenshots enclosed), and even a subsequent 
chicken-and-egg situation that can lead to deleted articles by some users 
thinking that the content was stolen from Google and not actually the opposite.

 

I remember that there was a previous thread here, not so long ago, about the 
problems of Google taking over our data and therefore diminishing clicks to the 
Wikimedia projects. Considering that I am fully against the GAFAM-drift that 
the WMF is increasingly adopting by benefiting from Google in our human, 
economical and digital structures, I prefer to share it here as well -and not 
only to the legal team of the WMF (cced). 

 

Kind regards,

 

Xavier Dengra

 

 

 


 

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