Re: [Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

2016-05-02 Thread Gergo Tisza
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Johan Jönsson wrote: > One of the problems here is that much of the information about how the > Wikimedia sites collect information is so spread out, because different > parts of the WMF have different solutions for different problems (e.g.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

2016-05-02 Thread Johan Jönsson
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > Adam, > > Thank you for providing an informative and accessible answer to Trillium's > relevant questions. It's truly heartening to see the organization improving > in its ability to communicate its intentions, etc. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

2016-05-02 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Monday, 2 May 2016, Brion Vibber wrote: > On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 9:21 PM, Oliver Keyes > wrote: > > > One element I can answer: no, it does not contain flash objects, flash is > > not a technology included in the Wikimedia stack on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

2016-05-02 Thread Brion Vibber
On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 9:21 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > One element I can answer: no, it does not contain flash objects, flash is > not a technology included in the Wikimedia stack on account of it barely > being classifiable as a technology. > There is one use of Flash in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

2016-05-02 Thread Pete Forsyth
Adam, Thank you for providing an informative and accessible answer to Trillium's relevant questions. It's truly heartening to see the organization improving in its ability to communicate its intentions, etc. I hope that when broad consensus among staff is reached (as you express in footnote [1]),

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

2016-05-02 Thread Adam Wight
Hi Trillium, These are great questions to ask, thank you for keeping the privacy conversation on track! As a technical employee of the Wikimedia Foundation who would have been involved if we were planning significant changes to expand or limit tracking, I can confirm that nothing rotten is in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

2016-05-01 Thread Oliver Keyes
It seems like you can either deny James's knowledge of the technical/legal overlap or ask him questions, but probably not both :p. One element I can answer: no, it does not contain flash objects, flash is not a technology included in the Wikimedia stack on account of it barely being classifiable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

2016-05-01 Thread Toby Dollmann
> It's certainly possible that this is only 'obvious' to me because of my > knowledge of outside organizations or law but it doesn't surprise me. Your reply is not obvious to me. I understand that your employment is exclusively with WMF and you do not appear to be particularly qualified (or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

2016-05-01 Thread Vi to
Edits didn't affect the content of the policy actually. Also a cookie policy is essentially a legal stuff, I'd be surprised to *don't *see the legal team editing it. As a "sockpuppet investigator" I never rely upon cookies, I prefer fingerprints and social security numbers. Vito 2016-05-01

[Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

2016-05-01 Thread Trillium Corsage
I noticed Michelle Paulson editing the "Cookie Statement" page, and it seemed kind of strange to me because I thought it more a technical and IT thing to edit. But Michelle is WMF Legal, right? Is WMF doing something new (or newish, maybe I'm a little late in picking up on this) with cookies?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

2016-05-01 Thread Oliver Keyes
Honestly this is kind of a bewildering set of hypotheticals to me. You worry wikimedia is gathering new data and maybe selling it to marketers and maybe releasing it to the community, or not, or some of them, or all of them, based on: An edit titled 'fixed two errors in cookie names'

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

2016-05-01 Thread James Alexander
On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Trillium Corsage wrote: > I noticed Michelle Paulson editing the "Cookie Statement" page, and it > seemed kind of strange to me because I thought it more a technical and IT > thing to edit. But Michelle is WMF Legal, right > I won't/can't