Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata and CC0 [was Re: what made me happy this week]

2017-10-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe 
Hi,

Here are a few places where the choice of CC0 for Wikidata was discussed:


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata#Is_CC_the_right_license_for_data.3F

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2012-12-18a

https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata//2012-April/thread.html#146

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-12-02/Op-ed
(including the comments below)


Best,
Andreas

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 1:10 AM, mathieu stumpf guntz <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:

> Thank you Léa for the link,
>
> I seize the opportunity to also ask anyone who have links related to
> Wikidata and the choice of CC0 as license for this project.
>
> What Wikidata already achieved and its further possibilities is very
> attractive to me. But so far CC0 is a far more repulsive point. Now maybe
> with more documentation I might change my mind, I think at least I should
> make some research to have a more informed opinion on the topic. So any
> documentation is welcome on how it was decided, what have been the misc.
> pros/cons highlighted, how was the community involved (or not) in the
> decision.
>
> Also, I heard last week during Wikiconvention Francophone that there are
> some actions on sister projects that generate content on Wikidata, without
> informing the user it does so. Afterward I was explained with more precise
> statements, saying that it was things like syslogs stored in Wikidata. I
> would like to be sure:
>
>  * what actions on sister projects might generate publication of what
>kind of data on Wikidata
>  * and that legal enquiries have been done about that. So we are
>certain that none of this publication might create legal threats. As
>I understand it, the user action end up with published (unlike raw
>syslog) data under a license which wasn't explicitly agreed. Or
>hopefully, I was misinformed, or misunderstood something.
>
> Thanks again for the link, I think I will watch the conference about
> Wiktionary with much interest and profit other records to learn more about
> the project.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Le 28/10/2017 à 09:31, Léa Lacroix a écrit :
>
>> What makes me happy today: the WikidataCon, the first international
>> conference dedicated to the WIkidata community, is about to start, and
>> will
>> be live-streamed :)
>>
>> The link to access the livestream is: http://streaming.media.ccc.de/
>> wikidatacon2017
>>
>> The conference will be broadcasted from today at *11:00 (UTC+2)*, starting
>> with the talk "State of the project" by Lydia Pintscher. The content
>> of the *rooms
>> A, A1, A2 and A3* will be streamed, unless the speaker requests not to be
>> recorded.
>>
>> You can find the program here https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/
>> Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Program/Saturday
>>
>> The videos will also be available later under CC-BY-SA: I'll share the
>> links with you as soon as possible.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> On 28 October 2017 at 03:36, quiddity  wrote:
>>
>> My mistake, there is a one line reference to Wikipedia in the lyrics.
>>> (The time_continue parameter didn't work on my first play through, but
>>> I checked again to be sure and then I heard the reference.) Sorry for
>>> the mistake. My other points stand. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 6:29 PM, quiddity 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 James, that video does Not seem to have any connection to the
 Wikimedia movement. (I checked the credits, but didn't watch the whole
 song).
 Please don't distract the hundreds of subscribers here with irrelevant

>>> content.
>>>
 Bare links without any explanation are also an anti-pattern to avoid.
 Thanks.

 On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 6:13 PM, James Salsman 

>>> wrote:
>>>
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=150=Eijc2tGe-zM
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikidata and CC0 [was Re: what made me happy this week]

2017-10-28 Thread mathieu stumpf guntz 

Thank you Léa for the link,

I seize the opportunity to also ask anyone who have links related to 
Wikidata and the choice of CC0 as license for this project.


What Wikidata already achieved and its further possibilities is very 
attractive to me. But so far CC0 is a far more repulsive point. Now 
maybe with more documentation I might change my mind, I think at least I 
should make some research to have a more informed opinion on the topic. 
So any documentation is welcome on how it was decided, what have been 
the misc. pros/cons highlighted, how was the community involved (or not) 
in the decision.


Also, I heard last week during Wikiconvention Francophone that there are 
some actions on sister projects that generate content on Wikidata, 
without informing the user it does so. Afterward I was explained with 
more precise statements, saying that it was things like syslogs stored 
in Wikidata. I would like to be sure:


 * what actions on sister projects might generate publication of what
   kind of data on Wikidata
 * and that legal enquiries have been done about that. So we are
   certain that none of this publication might create legal threats. As
   I understand it, the user action end up with published (unlike raw
   syslog) data under a license which wasn't explicitly agreed. Or
   hopefully, I was misinformed, or misunderstood something.

Thanks again for the link, I think I will watch the conference about 
Wiktionary with much interest and profit other records to learn more 
about the project.


Cheers


Le 28/10/2017 à 09:31, Léa Lacroix a écrit :

What makes me happy today: the WikidataCon, the first international
conference dedicated to the WIkidata community, is about to start, and will
be live-streamed :)

The link to access the livestream is: http://streaming.media.ccc.de/
wikidatacon2017

The conference will be broadcasted from today at *11:00 (UTC+2)*, starting
with the talk "State of the project" by Lydia Pintscher. The content
of the *rooms
A, A1, A2 and A3* will be streamed, unless the speaker requests not to be
recorded.

You can find the program here https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/
Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Program/Saturday

The videos will also be available later under CC-BY-SA: I'll share the
links with you as soon as possible.

Best,

On 28 October 2017 at 03:36, quiddity  wrote:


My mistake, there is a one line reference to Wikipedia in the lyrics.
(The time_continue parameter didn't work on my first play through, but
I checked again to be sure and then I heard the reference.) Sorry for
the mistake. My other points stand. 

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 6:29 PM, quiddity  wrote:

James, that video does Not seem to have any connection to the
Wikimedia movement. (I checked the credits, but didn't watch the whole
song).
Please don't distract the hundreds of subscribers here with irrelevant

content.

Bare links without any explanation are also an anti-pattern to avoid.
Thanks.

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 6:13 PM, James Salsman 

wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=150=Eijc2tGe-zM

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