Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2017-02-06 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > Christophe > > On 20 December, you wrote > > > Basically it's making the legal team life's easier when they need to do > > small and/or quick changes. They don't have to go through the whole > > resolution process

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2017-02-06 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Christophe On 20 December, you wrote > Basically it's making the legal team life's easier when they need to do > small and/or quick changes. They don't have to go through the whole > resolution process to change a comma. > > Now you write > the Executive Director > has authority to set and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2017-02-06 Thread Pete Forsyth
On 02/06/2017 11:53 AM, Pine W wrote: Hi Christophe, You wrote, "This delegates authority, not responsability." Perhaps you could explain the distinction. It seems to me that the two go hand in hand. Pine, I disagree. I have had plenty of jobs where I had the authority to do something, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2017-02-06 Thread Pine W
Hi Christophe, You wrote, "This delegates authority, not responsability." Perhaps you could explain the distinction. It seems to me that the two go hand in hand. Speaking generally, it sounds to me like the Board has good intentions here, but there is a lot of room for error and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2017-02-06 Thread Christophe Henner
Hey, Sorry, with everything I forgot to answer this thread. So I'll provide a general answer if I may. As I've shared back in June, for this year, some of my goals include building a strong working relationship between the Board and the Executive Director, and helping the Board focus on the most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2017-02-05 Thread Pine W
Christophe, Would you provide us an update on this topic, please? Pine On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Pine W wrote: > Hi Christophe, > > Now that the end-of-Western-year holidays are behind us, I'm bumping this > thread in the hope that you'll respond to the points

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2017-02-01 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
The ostensible rationale for this change, according to the Board chair was "Basically it's making the legal team life's easier when they need to do small and/or quick changes. They don't have to go through the whole resolution process to change a comma." The new donor privacy policy has been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2017-01-13 Thread Pine W
Hi Christophe, Now that the end-of-Western-year holidays are behind us, I'm bumping this thread in the hope that you'll respond to the points that I made in my email from December 23rd. Thanks, Pine On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Pine W wrote: > Hi Christophe, > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-27 Thread James Salsman
Christophe, I agree with your statements: > That resolution provides staff the liberty to do their work more > efficiently. It doesn't remove our duty of oversight. Would a requirement to publish policy changes at least, say, a month before they go into effect along with a complete rationale

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-23 Thread Pine W
Hi Christophe, Thank you for responding to my questions. > First, the resolution and its context. "Supervising" the ED is indeed a > board duty, but this supervision must not become micro-management. That > resolution provides staff the liberty to do their work more efficiently. It > doesn't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-22 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
It seems that the Chairman of the Board "fail[s] to see what community input could have brought" to its decision to "delegate[] the authority to adopt, alter, and revoke policies to the Executive Director," the purpose of which was "making the legal team life's easier when they need to dosmall

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-22 Thread MZMcBride
Christophe Henner wrote: >Basically it's making the legal team life's easier when they need to do >small and/or quick changes. They don't have to go through the whole >resolution process to change a comma. > >We're still informed and are talking with staff about those changes. > >As for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-22 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Chris, I'd argue instead that we should strive to a consultation model or structure so that it doesn't cost so much time and energy, that we limit it to huge and obvious issues. This is a very broadly phrased resolution, that I cannot out of hand oversee the consequences of. The core of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-22 Thread Chris Keating
Personally I'd argue that WMF should only spend their (and everyone's) time and energy on consultation when it's a substantive issue. Chris On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > Hi Christophe, > > I'm afraid that does not answer my question. If it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-22 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Christophe, I'm afraid that does not answer my question. If it changes absolutely nothing, it would be an unnecessary resolution. So surely there is *something* that changes (and that doesn't have to be a bad thing), such as improved clarity or legal certainty. But probably you're right - and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-21 Thread Christophe Henner
Hey, I feel there might be a misunderstanding here :) Legal team has, for a long time now, always worked with the community on policy updates. I don't see that changing. This is a technical / legal delegation. I fail to see what community input could have brought. We needed to be able to make

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-21 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Christophe, all, I wonder, was there an urgency to pass this resolution, or did I miss the invitation for community members to give input on this proposal? It doesn't look particularly sensitive so that it couldn't be shared in advance. It has potentially direct impact on the functioning of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-21 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
hi Craig, On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 5:18 AM, Craig Franklin wrote: > As frustrating as the drama was at the beginning of the year for us, I'd > prefer to get one well considered story from someone like Dariusz, rather > than a mishmash of uncoordinated replies that have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-20 Thread Benjamin Lees
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Christophe Henner wrote: > First, the resolution and its context. "Supervising" the ED is indeed a > board duty, but this supervision must not become micro-management. That > resolution provides staff the liberty to do their work more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-20 Thread Craig Franklin
As frustrating as the drama was at the beginning of the year for us, I'd prefer to get one well considered story from someone like Dariusz, rather than a mishmash of uncoordinated replies that have some inconsequential contradictions in them for people to obsess over. Sometimes too much

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-20 Thread Christophe Henner
Hi Pine, If you don't mind I will address your different points separately. First, the resolution and its context. "Supervising" the ED is indeed a board duty, but this supervision must not become micro-management. That resolution provides staff the liberty to do their work more efficiently. It

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-20 Thread Robert Fernandez
"My perspective is that the 2015 board was not particularly responsive to community (or WMF employees') questions or input, including questions and input regarding human resources and governance matters. (For example, I still haven't seen a good explanation of why WMF shouldn't undergo a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-20 Thread Pine W
Hi Christophe, I wish it was true that the Board is required to answer the community's questions, but that isn't the case. WMF isn't a membership organization, there isn't a policy that requires the Board to be responsive to community input and questions, and the community has limited ability to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-20 Thread Christophe Henner
Hey, Basically it's making the legal team life's easier when they need to do small and/or quick changes. They don't have to go through the whole resolution process to change a comma. We're still informed and are talking with staff about those changes. As for responsibility, we decided to