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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

2013-12-17 Thread Matthew Flaschen


On 12/16/2013 03:36 AM, Andrew Gray wrote:

Remember that while US caselaw is clear on this point, it is less clear-cut
elsewhere. We at WM tend to take a clear line that 2D reproductions are
ineligible, but it's not a guaranteed absolute truth, particularly in the
UK! We can predict how a court might rule... but they haven't yet, and
claiming copyright is a legally defensible position in many cases.

(Legally defensible is not always correct, of course...)

As a result, an explicit declaration is a positive thing and definitely
should not be discouraged.


I would actually prefer it be more explicit.  The EXIF data says public 
domain, but Flickr says No known copyright restrictions (why not 
public domain or CC0?).


However, we can do our own standard PD-Art analysis to confirm this.

Matt Flaschen

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

2013-12-16 Thread Andrew Gray

Remember that while US caselaw is clear on this point, it is less clear-cut
elsewhere. We at WM tend to take a clear line that 2D reproductions are
ineligible, but it's not a guaranteed absolute truth, particularly in the
UK! We can predict how a court might rule... but they haven't yet, and
claiming copyright is a legally defensible position in many cases.

(Legally defensible is not always correct, of course...)

As a result, an explicit declaration is a positive thing and definitely
should not be discouraged.

A.
On 16 Dec 2013 04:57, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote:
  its more legal/copyright descriptive, that necessitates the wording than
  just release them to the public which can still indicate they have
  restrictions

 I guess I was just concerned that it was sending the wrong message re:
 the images, suggesting that the British Library had to put the images
 into the Public Domain because they (or some other entity) could still
 hold copyright to them.

 If it is unclear to the public that slavish reproductions of
 out-of-copyright 2D works are not themselves eligible for copyright,
 then perhaps we should work to improve that understanding. It's
 difficult for a member of the public to exercise his rights unless he
 knows to what he is entitled!

 --R

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

2013-12-15 Thread Andrew Gray

I was just about to respond with this :-)

I discussed this with the BL team a few weeks before the release, and
while we could sort out the technical issues of a million items fairly
easily, it looked like the lack of metadata would make them very
unsuited for Commons.

There's nothing stopping us harvesting them individually, of course,
but I think adding a million unidentified images and saying the
community will sort them out would be a very quick road to my getting
beaten up ;-)

Andrew.

On 15 December 2013 17:37, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote:
Just discovered a short note of Andrew Gray, why Flickr was preferred
instead of Commons.
http://www.generalist.org.uk/blog/2013/mechanical-curator-on-commons/

2013/12/15 Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de

Thanks for the news.

A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the British
Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons? Maybe it has to do
something with a better usability of Flickr? -

The usability of Wikimedia Commons most be increased to make it more
attractive to individual and institutional users. Don't you think so?

The next steps mentioned in the article indicates good opportunities for
us to get involved and show the potential of an experienced platform for
crowdsourcing information and knowledge:

We are looking for new, inventive ways to navigate, find and display
these 'unseen illustrations'. and furtheron in the blogpost, We plan to
launch a crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help
describe what the images portray. Our intention is to use this data to train
automated classifiers that will run against the whole of the content.

http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html

Best regards,

Jens

2013/12/15 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com

Quote from full announcement

http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html

We have released over a million
imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons
for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images
were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books
digitised
by
Microsofthttp://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspxwho
then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release
them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a
startling
mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful
illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters,
colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more
that
even we are not aware of.

Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary
Example of image http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/
Example of all images from a book
http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292
Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory

So... :-)
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