Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0
On 25 Apr 2012, at 19:29, emijrp wrote: 2012/4/25 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com Thanks for sharing, I had read about it on the NYT but nothing was said on license. So now the USA have more open bibliographic data than Germany/Europe? :) lobid.org is a very nice initiative, but other catalog systems have very complex interactions between hundreds or thousands of entities and it's very hard to change the licenses. The main problem is usually deduplication and quality of the records, any information on this for Harvard's data? Mateus Nobre, 25/04/2012 19:44: Add ALL at Wikisource! Wikisource? This is only metadata. Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata. A mass dump of all of the information onto Wikisource wouldn't be good - but being able to extract complete bibliographies of specific authors on demand would actually be quite useful for properly building author pages on Wikisource, rather than the current ad-hoc and incomplete lists that currently exist. (With the consequence that bibliographies on Wikipedia could be 'outsourced' to Wikisource, bringing that project much-needed readers and editors). Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/25 emijrp emi...@gmail.com: Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata. I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-). As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in 2015 (i'm gonna cry). This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after that. It might happen before 2015 or not. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/25 emijrp emi...@gmail.com: Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata. I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-). As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in 2015 (i'm gonna cry). This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after that. It might happen before 2015 or not. Andrea will run out of tears by 2015. ;-( Could we have one sister-projects IRC session in the near future? -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:50 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/25 emijrp emi...@gmail.com: Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata. I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-). As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in 2015 (i'm gonna cry). This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after that. It might happen before 2015 or not. Andrea will run out of tears by 2015. ;-( Heh we don't want that to happen obviously. I have to clarify my previous statement. The team doing the initial development will mainly be focusing on getting this up and running for the Wikipedias. (We will obviously keep sister-projects and projects outside Wikimedia in mind while doing that.) However if people want to help and work towards bringing Wikidata also to the sister-projects then that would be welcome from our side. And of course they will be able to use Wikidata like any other 3rd party as soon as that is possible. Could we have one sister-projects IRC session in the near future? Questions regarding sister-projects and how they can fit into the whole Wikidata picture are obviously very welcome at the next office hours on Monday (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Events). If there is more demand for it we can also do office hours specifically for that of course. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0
I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-). As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in 2015 (i'm gonna cry). This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after that. It might happen before 2015 or not. Andrea will run out of tears by 2015. ;-( Heh we don't want that to happen obviously. I'm not crying yet :-) .. if people want to help and work towards bringing Wikidata also to the sister-projects then that would be welcome from our side. And of course they will be able to use Wikidata like any other 3rd party as soon as that is possible. Thank you Lydia for your reply, I would be definetely good to be be in touch with the WikiData team as sister projects users. I have to clarify my previous statement. The team doing the initial development will mainly be focusing on getting this up and running for the Wikipedias. (We will obviously keep sister-projects and projects outside Wikimedia in mind while doing that.) I know this won't change anything, and I know that I'm very biased, but let me unburden just this time. :-) It seems to me that it would be more logical, for a start, to work on a simpler and well-defined framework for meta/data. Wikisource just need a way to manage bibliographic metadata: it could use Dublin Core, as a standard, fetch its data from Commons, and maybe use OAI-PMH as a protocol. Of course, it needs the technical infrastructure for manage data. Commons would be the repository for both data and scans, and the data could be taken from Author and Books template. It seems to me that this metadata issue, in both Commons and Wiksource, wouldn't need gazillions hours of work, but I guess it has always been low priority (not your fault of course, but still here we are) I know that working on Wikipedia has a much broader reach, so it's OK. I just wanted to say this louder :-) Could we have one sister-projects IRC session in the near future? Questions regarding sister-projects and how they can fit into the whole Wikidata picture are obviously very welcome at the next office hours on Monday (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Events). If there is more demand for it we can also do office hours specifically for that of course. I'll try to participate and understand better what you are going to do. Thanks for the info. Aubrey ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0
Add ALL at Wikisource! On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:45 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Very good news for Open Library, and for us too. 2012/4/24 Samuel Klein s...@wikimedia.org This is big news -- though still only part of Harvard's full collection of records. Following the British Library's release of 3M bib records under CC0 18 months ago: http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k77982pageid=icb.page498373 David Weinberger writes: This is the largest contribution of full bib records we know of. Stuart Shieber [of the Berkman Center] (and of the Office of Scholarly Communication) was the driving force behind this. Woohoo! David W. ___ Wikipedia-l mailing list wikipedi...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l -- Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada. E-mail: emijrp AT gmail DOT com Pre-doctoral student at the University of Cádiz (Spain) Projects: AVBOT http://code.google.com/p/avbot/ | StatMediaWikihttp://statmediawiki.forja.rediris.es | WikiEvidens http://code.google.com/p/wikievidens/ | WikiPapershttp://wikipapers.referata.com | WikiTeam http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/ Personal website: https://sites.google.com/site/emijrp/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- _ *M*ateus*N*obre Free knowledge, free software, free culture, open data. *Freedom, acessibility, autonomy, openess, independence, transparency. That's our way.* *And yours?* +55 (84) 8896 - 1628 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0
Thanks for sharing, I had read about it on the NYT but nothing was said on license. So now the USA have more open bibliographic data than Germany/Europe? :) lobid.org is a very nice initiative, but other catalog systems have very complex interactions between hundreds or thousands of entities and it's very hard to change the licenses. The main problem is usually deduplication and quality of the records, any information on this for Harvard's data? Mateus Nobre, 25/04/2012 19:44: Add ALL at Wikisource! Wikisource? This is only metadata. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0
2012/4/25 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com Thanks for sharing, I had read about it on the NYT but nothing was said on license. So now the USA have more open bibliographic data than Germany/Europe? :) lobid.org is a very nice initiative, but other catalog systems have very complex interactions between hundreds or thousands of entities and it's very hard to change the licenses. The main problem is usually deduplication and quality of the records, any information on this for Harvard's data? Mateus Nobre, 25/04/2012 19:44: Add ALL at Wikisource! Wikisource? This is only metadata. Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata. -- Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada. E-mail: emijrp AT gmail DOT com Pre-doctoral student at the University of Cádiz (Spain) Projects: AVBOT http://code.google.com/p/avbot/ | StatMediaWikihttp://statmediawiki.forja.rediris.es | WikiEvidens http://code.google.com/p/wikievidens/ | WikiPapershttp://wikipapers.referata.com | WikiTeam http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/ Personal website: https://sites.google.com/site/emijrp/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0
2012/4/25 emijrp emi...@gmail.com: Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata. I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-). As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in 2015 (i'm gonna cry). Aubrey ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0
Very good news for Open Library, and for us too. 2012/4/24 Samuel Klein s...@wikimedia.org This is big news -- though still only part of Harvard's full collection of records. Following the British Library's release of 3M bib records under CC0 18 months ago: http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k77982pageid=icb.page498373 David Weinberger writes: This is the largest contribution of full bib records we know of. Stuart Shieber [of the Berkman Center] (and of the Office of Scholarly Communication) was the driving force behind this. Woohoo! David W. ___ Wikipedia-l mailing list wikipedi...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l -- Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada. E-mail: emijrp AT gmail DOT com Pre-doctoral student at the University of Cádiz (Spain) Projects: AVBOT http://code.google.com/p/avbot/ | StatMediaWikihttp://statmediawiki.forja.rediris.es | WikiEvidens http://code.google.com/p/wikievidens/ | WikiPapershttp://wikipapers.referata.com | WikiTeam http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/ Personal website: https://sites.google.com/site/emijrp/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
