Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Peter Southwood
Link does not work. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Askin Sent: 16 July 2014 04:00 AM To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey We are looking

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Thyge
the http:// part has been left out. Correct link is http://fluidsurveys.com/s/WikipediaSurvey/ Regards Sir48/Thyge 2014-07-16 8:29 GMT+02:00 Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net: Link does not work. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread
Dear UWO Wikipedia Research Team, Your survey does not appear to have been approved by the Wikimedia Research Committee (RCom). You can find contact details at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_Committee. Due to concerns with regard to privacy, such as recording their IP address against

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thanks. All questions were generic and about Wikipedia, so I answered with the Italian Wikipedia in mind. Also note that it.wiki is perhaps the only wiki which switched deletions from voting to non-voting: the experiment was already done, you only need to measure and interpret it. :-) See

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
In Polish Wikipedia there is no voting for deletion for around 3-4 years. There is discussion and then final decission is made by one of admins who regularly maintains the deletion process. 2014-07-16 10:20 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com: Thanks. All questions were generic and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
If the people who have created this survey can fix the problems raised by Fae, I'd be happy to share this with several language Wikipedians in India. I'm sure that at this point nobody would want to be part of it. On Jul 16, 2014 1:54 PM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: In Polish

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Todd Allen
English hasn't used voting for a long time either. AfD discussions are closed based on strength of argument and compliance with policy. On Jul 16, 2014 2:24 AM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: In Polish Wikipedia there is no voting for deletion for around 3-4 years. There is discussion

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread David Gerard
I would suggest that it doesn't become not a vote merely by not calling it a vote. I note all the closes that count !votes and how the not-voting pattern on a given AFD is frequently brought up at DRV. On 16 July 2014 12:25, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: English hasn't used voting for a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Lane Rasberry
Hello, I feel that this is an unethical research project and I have told the researcher so. We exchanged several emails and were unable to understand each other. I asked them to please have their university ethics board contact me. I asked the researcher about RCOM and other things. This person

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
David Gerard, 16/07/2014 13:34: I would suggest that it doesn't become not a vote merely by not calling it a vote. I note all the closes that count !votes and how the not-voting pattern on a given AFD is frequently brought up at DRV. Sure, but calling it a vote makes it a vote. If it's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread
On 16 July 2014 12:39, Lane Rasberry l...@bluerasberry.com wrote: ... I asked this researcher to discontinue the survey pending a check on the impact of it on the Wikipedia community. I said this because I feel they are out of compliance with even the soft suggestions in research that are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Good points, Lane. Such things were possibly discussed before, but it's the first time that I see it it spelled out like this. This approach should be advertised a bit somehow, so that the researchers know how to do it ethically and for everybody's benefit, and so that the experienced Wikipedians

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/16/2014 07:44 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: AFAIK deletion has never been a vote by policy on en.wiki. No, but it almost always devolves to a vote de facto. Interestingly enough, that particular question (did you close discussions by counting show of hand vs evaluating the rationales)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Nicole Askin
the bulk of such non-vote discussions. Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 15:43:48 +0300 From: Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey Message-ID: CACtNa8tHeMQRxjnsGHdHDG5B

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 16 July 2014 12:34, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I would suggest that it doesn't become not a vote merely by not calling it a vote. I note all the closes that count !votes and how the not-voting pattern on a given AFD is frequently brought up at DRV. Vote-counting is increasingly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Lane Rasberry l...@bluerasberry.com wrote: Hello, I feel that this is an unethical research project and I have told the researcher so. We exchanged several emails and were unable to understand each other. I asked them to please have their university ethics

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Nathan
To avoid confusion with researchers in the future, I've made some minor changes to the research related pages on Meta (see below). This should help ensure that outdated documentation does not cause unnecessarily delay and/or expense for those interested in doing Wikimedia-related research. 1: