On 16 April 2018 at 06:23, Rob Speer wrote:
> Right, this worries me too.
> I know that Wikimedia doesn't enforce the copyright on the content
> themselves, because they don't hold the relevant copyrights, the authors
> do. But there seems to be no guidance for what _anyone_
Right, this worries me too.
I know that Wikimedia doesn't enforce the copyright on the content
themselves, because they don't hold the relevant copyrights, the authors
do. But there seems to be no guidance for what _anyone_ can do to address
and correct large-scale violations. The guides on
Anthony, it is not off topic at all, and some of the related Annual
Plan effects are very troubling in their present manifestation.
Please see: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Ubi1v8gwsq09bzjp
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 6:23 AM, Anthony Cole wrote:
> This is off-topic (I
This is off-topic (I presume) but the idea of the WMF increasing its
dependence on large corporate donors is beginning to trouble me. I want the
WMF to answer to our readers and volunteers not Bezos, Brin and Zuckerberg.
I say I presume this is off-topic because I presume the WMF isn’t, even
Agree with Gerard. We WANT Youtube, Facebook, and others to use our
content. That is one reason why we have released it under an open license
and I believe one reason why we have been so successful. We of course also
want them to provide appropriate attribution. I think this would be better
Maybe you know, but Katherine Mayer gave a talk at the CC conference The
subject was big companies using our content (it is not just writing) and
making a profit giving nothing / not much in return. The issue she raised
is that it may interfere with our collaboration model. People will
Is someone from WMF monitoring wikimedia-l and notifying relevant employees
when an issue arises under their remit? This issue - big companies using
our writing without attribution and like-licensing - has been hanging with
no word from the WMF for six months.
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018
I see this from Brian Heater at Tech Crunch on 25 March:
"In a conversation earlier this week, Wikimedia’s Chief Revenue Office,
Lisa Gruwell told TechCrunch that this sort of usage doesn’t constitute any
sort of formal relationship. Most companies more or less hook into an API
to utilize that
Yes of course the WMF can contact those who are detected reusing our
content without fully complying with licenses and encourage them to comply.
If a case were to go to court it would need to have one or more
contributors who were willing to cooperate with WMF legal in the case. But
I doubt there
We're not at that point yet. I would like to know whether an informal
conversation between WMF and Amazon on this topic has begun, though.
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Kunal Mehta wrote:
> On 04/04/2018 08:36 PM, Anthony Cole wrote:
> > I'm
On 04/04/2018 08:36 PM, Anthony Cole wrote:
> I'm curious also. I release my articles under "attribution, share alike"
> and rely on WMF to preserve those rights.
Why are you relying on the WMF? Wikipedia contributors (like yourself)
are the ones who own copyright to the articles - the WMF
I'm curious also. I release my articles under "attribution, share alike"
and rely on WMF to preserve those rights.
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 7:33 PM The Cunctator wrote:
> Would love for an update. Wikipedia license doesn't just call for
> attribution, but for copyleft to be
Would love for an update. Wikipedia license doesn't just call for
attribution, but for copyleft to be preserved.
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:50 AM, Anthony Cole wrote:
> Thank you Adele and Yongmin. I'll ask Barbara to clarify next time we chat.
> On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 at
Thank you Adele and Yongmin. I'll ask Barbara to clarify next time we chat.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 at 12:49 am, Yongmin H. wrote:
> I tried quite a lot (around 10 times) and succeded to get one saying
> ‘here’s something I found from Wikipedia.’ I have it recorded, but
I tried quite a lot (around 10 times) and succeded to get one saying ‘here’s
something I found from Wikipedia.’ I have it recorded, but uploading it
fails... Will try later.
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I just tested and it doesn't for me. I can send you the audio if you are
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Anthony Cole wrote:
> I was speaking with Barbara Page last night (Barbara's highlighting of this
> issue in a Wikipediocracy blog post
I was speaking with Barbara Page last night (Barbara's highlighting of this
issue in a Wikipediocracy blog post
http://wikipediocracy.com/2017/07/24/alexa/ prompted Andreas to open this
discussion) last night and she told me when she asks Alexa about ovarian
cancer these days, Alexa begins with
I checked in with Adele today, to ask about progress on the Amazon Echo
licensing issue, and whether she had a rough idea when she'd be able to
report back to us.
Adele was happy for me to pass on here that we're unlikely to hear anything
further about this until September, as Wikimania
There appears to already be an open-source AI voice assistant effort.
Like with the open search movement, IMO we should collaborate with the
Some further thoughts on this thread while we wait for Adele to come back
According to Statista, the worldwide market for virtual digital
assistants is expected to grow from $1.64 billion in 2015 to $15.79 billion
by 2021. That's a tenfold increase over six years. Digital assistants
Am 28.07.2017 um 09:34 schrieb Andreas Kolbe:
> What happens when you say "Tell me more"? Could you try please?
Nothing, "Alexa, tell me more" the same.
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On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Simon Poole wrote:
> The current (full) answer is
> 'Edward Joseph "Ed" Snowden, the American computer professional former
> CIA employee, and government contractor who leaked classified
> information from the U.S. National Security Agency in
On 28/07/2017 02:29, Adele Vrana wrote:
> I am Adele Vrana, Director of Strategic Partnerships at the Foundation.
> We have contacts at Amazon and will seek to clarify the questions raised on
> this thread. I will make sure to circle back with you once we have an
Thanks for your
I am Adele Vrana, Director of Strategic Partnerships at the Foundation.
We have contacts at Amazon and will seek to clarify the questions raised on
this thread. I will make sure to circle back with you once we have an
All the best,
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Simon
Am 27.07.2017 um 18:37 schrieb Andreas Kolbe:
> Edward Joseph "Ed" Snowden ...
> I will not spend an hour trying to identify the exact article version that
> matches Alexa's output in that video best, but it's safe to assume that
> this inserted "Ed", too, came from Wikipedia, even though it
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Cristian Consonni
> The video was posted on March 9th, 2017.
> This is the article about Edward Snowden as of March 6th, 2017:
> The response about Edward Snowden
In both cases, they may be within the realm of the "right to quote"
> (I am not sure this concept exists in US law per se) or "fair use".
I haven't checked the accuracy of the "Right to quote" Wikipedia article
you referenced, but I will note here that it mentions the
Am 27.07.2017 um 16:58 schrieb Simon Poole:
> Wrt using bing, that is not "reportedly", one of the nice things about
> Alexa is that the companion app will actually display how it resolved
> the action. In both mentioned cases it uses a bing query to get an
> answer. The interesting bit is that
On 27/07/2017 16:46, James Heilman wrote:
> We want these devices to read from Wikipedia. We just want attribution as
> appropriate. If they are already attributing when they go beyond fair use
> than all is good.
I agree, but the only way to know for sure is asking, I think.
Also, I am assuming
Am 27.07.2017 um 14:36 schrieb Andreas Kolbe:
> You say that Alexa reportedly gets some of this from Bing. But even if
> that's the case, how does it make a difference? To me it seems rather like
> Flickrwashing (Bingwashing?).
Christian already beat me to the punch and essentially has
We want these devices to read from Wikipedia. We just want attribution as
appropriate. If they are already attributing when they go beyond fair use
than all is good.
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Cristian Consonni
> On 27/07/2017 14:36, Andreas Kolbe
On 27/07/2017 14:36, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> If you look at the comments under Barbara's piece, Greg linked to this
> YouTube video:
since I don't own an Amazon Echo, I will have to rely on the video.
> I had a look at that video before posting
If you look at the comments under Barbara's piece, Greg linked to this
I had a look at that video before posting here. (I think it's kind of a
daft video, but it does a perfectly good job of demonstrating how the Echo
You need to explicitly ask for a Wikipedia article to get one (and it
ends reading the summary with "More from wikipedia?" or something along
such lines). That kind of renders the attribution issue moot.
If you don't explicitly ask for Wikipedia it will search with bing and
simply read the result
Simon, could you clarify?
Can you configure the device to give attribution?
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Simon Poole wrote:
> Maybe some fact checking before getting all upset would be a good idea?
> The blog post is a good story, but doesn't actually reflect how Alexa
Maybe some fact checking before getting all upset would be a good idea?
The blog post is a good story, but doesn't actually reflect how Alexa
works wrt searching WIkipedia (I just quickly reconfigured one of mine
to US English just to verify).
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This is an excellent point. Yes Amazon should definitely state that what
they are reading is from Wikipedia.
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> Barbara Page, a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar and Wikipedian in Residence at
> the University of
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