Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-18 Thread geni
On 16 April 2018 at 06:23, Rob Speer wrote: > Right, this worries me too. > > I know that Wikimedia doesn't enforce the copyright on the content > themselves, because they don't hold the relevant copyrights, the authors > do. But there seems to be no guidance for what _anyone_

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-18 Thread Rob Speer
Right, this worries me too. I know that Wikimedia doesn't enforce the copyright on the content themselves, because they don't hold the relevant copyrights, the authors do. But there seems to be no guidance for what _anyone_ can do to address and correct large-scale violations. The guides on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-18 Thread James Salsman
Anthony, it is not off topic at all, and some of the related Annual Plan effects are very troubling in their present manifestation. Please see: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Ubi1v8gwsq09bzjp On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 6:23 AM, Anthony Cole wrote: > This is off-topic (I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-18 Thread Anthony Cole
This is off-topic (I presume) but the idea of the WMF increasing its dependence on large corporate donors is beginning to trouble me. I want the WMF to answer to our readers and volunteers not Bezos, Brin and Zuckerberg. I say I presume this is off-topic because I presume the WMF isn’t, even

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-18 Thread James Heilman
Agree with Gerard. We WANT Youtube, Facebook, and others to use our content. That is one reason why we have released it under an open license and I believe one reason why we have been so successful. We of course also want them to provide appropriate attribution. I think this would be better

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Maybe you know, but Katherine Mayer gave a talk at the CC conference The subject was big companies using our content (it is not just writing) and making a profit giving nothing / not much in return. The issue she raised is that it may interfere with our collaboration model. People will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-15 Thread Anthony Cole
Is someone from WMF monitoring wikimedia-l and notifying relevant employees when an issue arises under their remit? This issue - big companies using our writing without attribution and like-licensing - has been hanging with no word from the WMF for six months. Anthony Cole On Thu, Apr 5, 2018

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-05 Thread Anthony Cole
I see this from Brian Heater at Tech Crunch on 25 March: "In a conversation earlier this week, Wikimedia’s Chief Revenue Office, Lisa Gruwell told TechCrunch that this sort of usage doesn’t constitute any sort of formal relationship. Most companies more or less hook into an API to utilize that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-05 Thread WereSpielChequers
Yes of course the WMF can contact those who are detected reusing our content without fully complying with licenses and encourage them to comply. If a case were to go to court it would need to have one or more contributors who were willing to cooperate with WMF legal in the case. But I doubt there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-05 Thread Anthony Cole
We're not at that point yet. I would like to know whether an informal conversation between WMF and Amazon on this topic has begun, though. Anthony Cole On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Kunal Mehta wrote: > Hi, > > On 04/04/2018 08:36 PM, Anthony Cole wrote: > > I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-05 Thread Kunal Mehta
Hi, On 04/04/2018 08:36 PM, Anthony Cole wrote: > I'm curious also. I release my articles under "attribution, share alike" > and rely on WMF to preserve those rights. Why are you relying on the WMF? Wikipedia contributors (like yourself) are the ones who own copyright to the articles - the WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-04 Thread Anthony Cole
I'm curious also. I release my articles under "attribution, share alike" and rely on WMF to preserve those rights. On Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 7:33 PM The Cunctator wrote: > Would love for an update. Wikipedia license doesn't just call for > attribution, but for copyleft to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-03-20 Thread The Cunctator
Would love for an update. Wikipedia license doesn't just call for attribution, but for copyleft to be preserved. On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:50 AM, Anthony Cole wrote: > Thank you Adele and Yongmin. I'll ask Barbara to clarify next time we chat. > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-09-22 Thread Anthony Cole
Thank you Adele and Yongmin. I'll ask Barbara to clarify next time we chat. On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 at 12:49 am, Yongmin H. wrote: > I tried quite a lot (around 10 times) and succeded to get one saying > ‘here’s something I found from Wikipedia.’ I have it recorded, but >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-09-21 Thread Yongmin H.
I tried quite a lot (around 10 times) and succeded to get one saying ‘here’s something I found from Wikipedia.’ I have it recorded, but uploading it fails... Will try later. -- Yongmin Sent from my iPhone https://wp.revi.blog Text licensed under CC BY ND 2.0 KR Please note that this address is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-09-21 Thread Adele Vrana
I just tested and it doesn't for me. I can send you the audio if you are interested. On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Anthony Cole wrote: > I was speaking with Barbara Page last night (Barbara's highlighting of this > issue in a Wikipediocracy blog post >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-09-21 Thread Anthony Cole
I was speaking with Barbara Page last night (Barbara's highlighting of this issue in a Wikipediocracy blog post http://wikipediocracy.com/2017/07/24/alexa/ prompted Andreas to open this discussion) last night and she told me when she asks Alexa about ovarian cancer these days, Alexa begins with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-08-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Hi all, I checked in with Adele today, to ask about progress on the Amazon Echo licensing issue, and whether she had a rough idea when she'd be able to report back to us. Adele was happy for me to pass on here that we're unlikely to hear anything further about this until September, as Wikimania

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-31 Thread James Heilman
There appears to already be an open-source AI voice assistant effort. https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthunckler/2017/05/15/this-open-source-ai-voice-assistant-is-challenging-siri-and-alexa-for-market-superiority/#4a73f53b3ec0 Like with the open search movement, IMO we should collaborate with the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-31 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Some further thoughts on this thread while we wait for Adele to come back to us. According to Statista,[1] the worldwide market for virtual digital assistants is expected to grow from $1.64 billion in 2015 to $15.79 billion by 2021. That's a tenfold increase over six years. Digital assistants

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-28 Thread Simon Poole
Am 28.07.2017 um 09:34 schrieb Andreas Kolbe: > What happens when you say "Tell me more"? Could you try please? > > Nothing, "Alexa, tell me more" the same. Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > The current (full) answer is > > 'Edward Joseph "Ed" Snowden, the American computer professional former > CIA employee, and government contractor who leaked classified > information from the U.S. National Security Agency in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-27 Thread Cristian Consonni
On 28/07/2017 02:29, Adele Vrana wrote: > I am Adele Vrana, Director of Strategic Partnerships at the Foundation. > > We have contacts at Amazon and will seek to clarify the questions raised on > this thread. I will make sure to circle back with you once we have an > update. Thanks for your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-27 Thread Adele Vrana
Hello, I am Adele Vrana, Director of Strategic Partnerships at the Foundation. We have contacts at Amazon and will seek to clarify the questions raised on this thread. I will make sure to circle back with you once we have an update. All the best, Adele On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Simon

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-27 Thread Simon Poole
Am 27.07.2017 um 18:37 schrieb Andreas Kolbe: > > Edward Joseph "Ed" Snowden ... > > I will not spend an hour trying to identify the exact article version that > matches Alexa's output in that video best, but it's safe to assume that > this inserted "Ed", too, came from Wikipedia, even though it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Cristian Consonni wrote: > The video was posted on March 9th, 2017. > > This is the article about Edward Snowden as of March 6th, 2017: > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edward_Snowden=768899605 > > The response about Edward Snowden

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Hi Cristian, In both cases, they may be within the realm of the "right to quote"[2] > (I am not sure this concept exists in US law per se) or "fair use". > I haven't checked the accuracy of the "Right to quote" Wikipedia article you referenced, but I will note here that it mentions the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-27 Thread Simon Poole
Am 27.07.2017 um 16:58 schrieb Simon Poole: > Wrt using bing, that is not "reportedly", one of the nice things about > Alexa is that the companion app will actually display how it resolved > the action. In both mentioned cases it uses a bing query to get an > answer. The interesting bit is that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-27 Thread Cristian Consonni
On 27/07/2017 16:46, James Heilman wrote: > We want these devices to read from Wikipedia. We just want attribution as > appropriate. If they are already attributing when they go beyond fair use > than all is good. I agree, but the only way to know for sure is asking, I think. Also, I am assuming

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-27 Thread Simon Poole
Am 27.07.2017 um 14:36 schrieb Andreas Kolbe: > ... > You say that Alexa reportedly gets some of this from Bing. But even if > that's the case, how does it make a difference? To me it seems rather like > Flickrwashing (Bingwashing?). > > Christian already beat me to the punch and essentially has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-27 Thread James Heilman
We want these devices to read from Wikipedia. We just want attribution as appropriate. If they are already attributing when they go beyond fair use than all is good. J On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Cristian Consonni wrote: > Hi, > > On 27/07/2017 14:36, Andreas Kolbe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-27 Thread Cristian Consonni
Hi, On 27/07/2017 14:36, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > If you look at the comments under Barbara's piece, Greg linked to this > YouTube video: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZurOYgQLT44 since I don't own an Amazon Echo, I will have to rely on the video. > I had a look at that video before posting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Simon, If you look at the comments under Barbara's piece, Greg linked to this YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZurOYgQLT44 I had a look at that video before posting here. (I think it's kind of a daft video, but it does a perfectly good job of demonstrating how the Echo works.) In

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-27 Thread Simon Poole
You need to explicitly ask for a Wikipedia article to get one (and it ends reading the summary with "More from wikipedia?" or something along such lines). That kind of renders the attribution issue moot. If you don't explicitly ask for Wikipedia it will search with bing and simply read the result

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-27 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
Simon, could you clarify? Can you configure the device to give attribution? On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > > Maybe some fact checking before getting all upset would be a good idea? > > The blog post is a good story, but doesn't actually reflect how Alexa >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-27 Thread Simon Poole
Maybe some fact checking before getting all upset would be a good idea? The blog post is a good story, but doesn't actually reflect how Alexa works wrt searching WIkipedia (I just quickly reconfigured one of mine to US English just to verify). Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-26 Thread James Heilman
This is an excellent point. Yes Amazon should definitely state that what they are reading is from Wikipedia. James On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Barbara Page, a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar and Wikipedian in Residence at > the University of