Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-06-02 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Returning briefly to NSFW content on Wikimedia sites, there has been some press coverage in Germany these past couple of days: * http://www.news4teachers.de/2014/06/jugendgefaehrdend-porno-links-in-wikipedia/ *

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-06-02 Thread Michael Jahn
Being the spokesperson, the statement is by and large correct, although not given in this context but as a reply to a content-related question from one day earlier. It was used in the linked news source articel, to which the teacher's association reacted within an hour. As I've written elsewhere,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy (also relevant to A personal note)

2014-05-29 Thread Mike Godwin
Hi, Wil (and greetings to all my Wikimedian friends here!). I've been catching up on the Wikimedia-L threads, and of course I've come across your many postings and your engagement, sometimes tense, with other posters here. I have some sympathy for your reactions and questions: I've had some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-29 Thread Thyge
2014-05-29 7:46 GMT+02:00 Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com: * I'm quite capable of thinking for myself. I am truly interested in protecting children and preventing harassment. And I'm particularly interested in the current state of the policies around these issues as the leadership of the WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy (also relevant to A personal note)

2014-05-29 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Apologies for top posting, I'm on my phone... Mike, this was one of the best emails to this list I've read in a long time. As someone who has squabbled with you on mailing lists, it's even better to me. Take care, sir. ~ Keegan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan On May 29, 2014 5:53

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: I'd also like to hear about specific examples of content on Commons that a parent might not find appropriate for their children. Wil and all, Note that all the links I am posting below are NSFW. 1. The other day I found

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Thomas Morton
Child Protection- I'd like to hear about ways that policy might be changed here to better protect children, especially given some of the content on Commons. I'd also like to hear about specific examples of content on Commons that a parent might not find appropriate for their children. Note

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Craig Franklin
On 29 May 2014 07:13, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: Child Protection- I'd like to hear about ways that policy might be changed here to better protect children, especially given some of the content on Commons. I'd also like to hear about specific examples of content

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
Sorry, the n00b has to step in with a couple of clarifications. :) I was asking about 2 separate issues, so no conflation there. Also I asked very carefully for *all* sides of the issues: Now, I'll just sit back and hear all sides of the story. All right, back on topic! :) ,Wil On Wed, May 28,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Thyge
Please raise and discuss questions about policy on meta. This is not the place. Regards, Thyge 2014-05-28 23:54 GMT+02:00 Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com: Sorry, the n00b has to step in with a couple of clarifications. :) I was asking about 2 separate issues, so no conflation there. Also I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Martijn asked me which things I thought that some people on this list don't want anyone to discuss, so here are the two examples that I'm most interested in: Child Protection- I'd like to hear about ways that policy might be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On May 29, 2014 5:33 AM, Thyge ltl.pri...@gmail.com wrote: Please raise and discuss questions about policy on meta. This is not the place. Regards, Thyge Wil, I suggest that you do go to http://meta.wikimedia.org and find pages about these issues. *Read the archives of the talk pages*. And

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
Stepping in to add another aspect to both questions, as I think it might focus the discussion. Child Protection: Are children encouraged to use commons through any programs or outreach efforts of any kind? If so, is it morally and/or ethically justifiable to do so without protecting children in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Molly White
Harassment: Has harassment been addressed in a comprehensive way on all sites, including all of the WP site? As an example, Wikipedia has had a problem with low and declining female participation for years, and the WMF has often stated that it would like to address it. Are women actively

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
Wil, On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Stepping in to add another aspect to both questions, as I think it might focus the discussion. Child Protection: Are children encouraged to use commons through any programs or outreach efforts of any kind? Who are you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread MZMcBride
I just want to chime in here that I really enjoyed reading Molly and John's recent posts in this thread. Simply fantastic posts. I also loved posts from Thomas, Erik, and Milos in other threads from the past day. I think this month of wikimedia-l has made me more appreciative of some of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Risker
On 28 May 2014 21:37, Molly White gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Harassment: Has harassment been addressed in a comprehensive way on all sites, including all of the WP site? As an example, Wikipedia has had a problem with low and declining female participation for years, and the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
What??? What talk page are you talking about? How in the world am I making an unsafe environment? Those are some *very* serious charges. I'm really just stunned. *No wonder people are afraid to post here!* ,Wil On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 May

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Newyorkbrad
Wil: Please take this particular aspect of the discussion offline without further postings about it. There are entirely legitimate reasons for my request and for the expressions of concern from others that have come through in the past couple of hours. This request is not an attempt to stifle

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
Why did you mail this to the public mailing list? It seems to be a private communication. ,Wil On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com wrote: Wil: Please take this particular aspect of the discussion offline without further postings about it. There are entirely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Chad Horohoe
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:08 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I just want to chime in here that I really enjoyed reading Molly and John's recent posts in this thread. Simply fantastic posts. I also loved posts from Thomas, Erik, and Milos in other threads from the past day. I think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Philippe Beaudette
*Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Chad Horohoe choro...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:08

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Molly White
Wil Sinclair wllm@... writes: What??? What talk page are you talking about? How in the world am I making an unsafe environment? I believe Risker is referring to the post I revision-deleted. Those are some *very* serious charges. I'm really just stunned. *No wonder people are afraid

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
Ah. You mean the edit that I didn't write, I didn't post to IRC, and I've never actually seen. Got it. ,Wil On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Molly White gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Wil Sinclair wllm@... writes: What??? What talk page are you talking about? How in the world am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Risker
No, Wil. I mean the repeated linking to a Wikipediocracy thread that actively denigrates many of the other correspondents on this list; that advocates that you use your personal influence to persuade the new ED to fire WMF staff; that implies that every WMF-related IRC channel (there are dozens,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
Thanks, Risker. I think there are a few inaccuracies in there. * I link to threads on Wikipediocracy to demonstrate what I've actually said. In some cases, it has been characterized here without context. I'd prefer everyone just look at the original so that there are no misconceptions. What other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Risker
Wil, the links? They're harassment. If you don't understand that, you're in no position to initiate a discussion about the subject. Risker On 29 May 2014 01:46, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Thanks, Risker. I think there are a few inaccuracies in there. * I link to threads on