Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emerging Communities: a proposed new definition

2017-10-16 Thread Jean-Philippe Béland
Where does the number 750,000 speakers come from? And what is the rationale to exclude smaller linguistic communities? I think emerging communities can have less speakers than that. A language can be viable and alive with less speakers than that, so we are not talking about preserving a language

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emerging Communities: a proposed new definition

2017-10-15 Thread Balázs Viczián
Hi Asaf et All, Hope I won't get skipped because I barely talk on this list or in general on an international level but this proposal could have a long term effect on my chapter. Happy to see WMF is ready to start giving up at least a bit on geography or census numbers and shift focus to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emerging Communities: a proposed new definition

2017-10-12 Thread Lodewijk
Besides all discussions on the exact definition, could we please replace "WMF" with "the Wikimedia movement"? I don't think that supporting emerging communities, however we define them, should be the prerogative of the WMF, nor should it be implied. I trust this was not the intention, either :)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emerging Communities: a proposed new definition

2017-09-29 Thread Chris Keating
> I would like to thank the Community Resources team for dropping the highly > discriminatory division into North and South and for proposing a more nuanced > approach. Indeed - this is a really useful step forward, and much more practical for the way our movement works. Plus we can now stop

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emerging Communities: a proposed new definition

2017-09-28 Thread Eduardo Testart
Hi all, In my personal opinion, the term "emerging communities" is much more healthy and acceptable than Global South, which always sounded patronizing and diminshing. And I also like and celebrate the initiative to create our own definition :) Cheers! P.S.: The map in the link needs a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emerging Communities: a proposed new definition

2017-09-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, For me this initiative raises more questions then it answers. As I understand it, it is a change in vocabulary and it defines when a Wikipedia community is big enough to get "official" attention. My problem is that it is very much standalone; it does not connect with other practices. It

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emerging Communities: a proposed new definition

2017-09-28 Thread Andrea Zanni
FWIW, I always liked the term "emerging communities" because it's very broad, and it can be applied not just to countries but also cultures, minorities, sub-communities of any sort. For example, I would very much like to call the Wikisource community an "emerging" one, because it needs the exact

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emerging Communities: a proposed new definition

2017-09-28 Thread Strainu
I would like to thank the Community Resources team for dropping the highly discriminatory division into North and South and for proposing a more nuanced approach. I would also urge the remaining teams within the WMF that still use the terms to consider less offensive alternatives suitable for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emerging Communities: a proposed new definition

2017-09-27 Thread Gnangarra
One thing that grabs me about this is the Languages section, 750,000 speakers appears to be a rather high bar. To explain there 2.5m people in Western Australia most of could be classed as speaking nys at a basic level because of the way the Noongar language has been adopted into the English and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emerging Communities: a proposed new definition

2017-09-27 Thread Michael Snow
On 9/27/2017 1:39 PM, Ariel Glenn WMF wrote: Would a name like "emerging knowledge communities" be clearer? Yes, you'd think that in the context of Wikipedia and related projects, the word 'knowledge' would be a given, but perhaps it isn't? Yes, let's keep brainstorming about this. No, I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emerging Communities: a proposed new definition

2017-09-27 Thread Ariel Glenn WMF
Would a name like "emerging knowledge communities" be clearer? Yes, you'd think that in the context of Wikipedia and related projects, the word 'knowledge' would be a given, but perhaps it isn't? Ariel On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:36 PM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) < viswapra...@gmail.com> wrote: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emerging Communities: a proposed new definition

2017-09-27 Thread വിശ്വപ്രഭ
I find it a lot difficult to explain the phrase 'Emerging communities' among my crowds during any outreach event. The phrase still doesn't get to pass on the idea of 'knowledge empowerment' or 'open digital access'. Rather it still make people think it's all about economic and technological