Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-13 Thread Pete Forsyth
Replying to Alex and Lisa (and Rogol) in one message: Alex, thank you for linking the 32 page public version of the grant to the Sloan Foundation. It is indeed an impressive quantity of information, and I'm glad that this kind of transparency was built into the process -- having written grant

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-11 Thread Nabin K. Sapkota
That's a great news!! Thanks, Nabin Wikimedians of Nepal On Jan 11, 2017 11:33 PM, "Rogol Domedonfors" wrote: > Rupert, > > A Happy New Year to you too. I don't see why my personal motivation for > asking this question would come into it. The request is to publish the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-11 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Rupert, A Happy New Year to you too. I don't see why my personal motivation for asking this question would come into it. The request is to publish the overall product roadmap to the community, for the community to collaborate with the WMF on planning the future products. That does not sound to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread rupert THURNER
Rogol, a good start into 2017! I have difficulties understanding your question, especially why you are asking it now. This topic was discussed quite often and for a long time to justify putting money behind talking at least imo. you are unhappy a restricted grant was received without community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread Saroj Dhakal
> From: Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of > > structured data on Commons > > Message-ID: > > <CAGWt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread Alex Stinson
/Sloan_Grant#What_did_the_grant_application_look_like.3F > Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 12:52:57 -0800 > From: Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread Joseph Seddon
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Development Of any use? Seddon On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > Dear Wes > > Thank you for yet another prompt response. It seems almost churlish to say > that unfortunately that is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Dear Wes Thank you for yet another prompt response. It seems almost churlish to say that unfortunately that is not what I have been asking for -- I must be very bad at expressing myself to have given so many different people so many different mistaken impressions of my request. To me a product

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread Wes Moran
Hello Rogol, Thanks for the question. The Annual Plan we follow and share with the community for review before we begin our work is available on Meta [1]. We update specific plans on a quarterly basis on our goals pages [2] as they may evolve over the year. We also provide a number of links for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Thanks to both Lydia and Denny for these further replies. I assume that the WMF has a clear stable and unified view of where it is taking its various products and the dependencies, which is what I understand by the phrase product roadmap. "A single document" would be nice, but whatever it is, I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi Rogol, that is why I pointed you to the links in that document, which go all the way back to 2004 discussions of such a project, and further discussions over the years. These pretty much establish for me that this item has been a topic for commons for more than a decade now. But it seems I am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > Denny > > Thank you but the link you provide appears to be to be "Our high-level > roadmap for developing the project", namely the Structured Data in Commons > project. Since Lisa wrote "Structured Data on Commons

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Denny Thank you but the link you provide appears to be to be "Our high-level roadmap for developing the project", namely the Structured Data in Commons project. Since Lisa wrote "Structured Data on Commons was in our product roadmap" I was referring to the product roadmap on which the Structured

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Rogol, this was the link previously provided on this project: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Overview including links to previous documents. Cheers, Denny On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:32 AM Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > Lisa > > You say that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Lisa You say that "Structured Data on Commons was in our product roadmap, so this grant is not diverting our attention. The grant simply enables us to accelerate the work we were planning to do". Please would you publish, or point to, a version of that product roadmap that can inform the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread Florence Devouard
Wow ! Awesome ! Florence Le 09/01/2017 à 20:48, Wes Moran a écrit : Hello Wikimedia community, It’s our delight to inform you that we received a US$3,015,000 grant from the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation [1] to expedite development of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You are right that this will be a concern. There are people that insist that Wikipedia is the fount of all wisdom and that its labels are "correct" even for Wikidata. When you observe Wikidata for as long as I do, I find that many of what some people elevate to collective wisdom is faulty at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-09 Thread Alessandro Marchetti
it was time. Good luck. Il Martedì 10 Gennaio 2017 4:59, Gnangarra ha scritto: This is great news and look forward to seeing some good outcomes. I have a concern around the use of language as most people english a very dynamic language and what can hav eone meaning

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-09 Thread Gnangarra
This is great news and look forward to seeing some good outcomes. I have a concern around the use of language as most people english a very dynamic language and what can hav eone meaning in one place doesnt necessarily hold true for everywhere simple uses like monuments when translated differs.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-09 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks Wes and Lisa, this is really wonderful news. Just the sort of area where Commons can and should point the way forward for all the world's archives. And thanks to Sloan for the support and Commonists for maintaining one of the quiet, consistent wonders of theodern Web. Sam

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-09 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Also, to add, for this particular grant I can really only look positively at the openness surrounding the writing of the grant. There have been emails on this list inviting input and discussion when the grant proposal was underway, a lot of content was available on-wiki, and an effort was made to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-09 Thread Lisa Gruwell
Hi Pete and Gerard- I just wanted to give my thoughts on restricted gifts. Like most things, there are both good and bad restricted gifts. They can be bad if a funder is making a well-intentioned gift that none-the-less pulls the organization in direction that they were not planning to go. Or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Maybe restricted but the subject matter is exactly what we want anyway. Where I have my reservations is that Wikidata will be set in stone and stuff that just is not right will be with us for forever. With more money it does not need to be a huge problem because it makes it more manageable.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-09 Thread Pete Forsyth
Structured data on Commons is a huge and important area -- for one thing, the whole Media Viewer project would have gone much more smoothly if there were underlying structured data to rely on. Kudos to WMF and Sloan for the focus on this issue! If I'm not mistaken, this is by far the most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-09 Thread Tanweer Morshed
This is indeed a great opportunity to develop structured environment in Commons as well as its allied projects! Regards, Tanweer On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Andrea Zanni wrote: > This is great news. > Very excited for the future :-) > > Thanks! > > Aubrey > > On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-09 Thread Andrea Zanni
This is great news. Very excited for the future :-) Thanks! Aubrey On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Wes Moran wrote: > Hello Wikimedia community, > > It’s our delight to inform you that we received a US$3,015,000 grant from > the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation >