Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-08 Thread Russavia
Lisa, I posted a link to the WMF Board discussion to this list on 6 December, it's no problem if you missed it, here it is again: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#Fundraising I quote from that: The [UK Fund for Charities channels gifts to validated non-UK

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-08 Thread Lisa Gruwell
Hi Russavia- Thanks for clarification. There is a lot of room for confusion here and I sure I have not been as clear when talking about this as I needed to be. Here are the details: The pricing structure is based on cumulative donations. We paid 20% on the first £100 in donations (which was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-08 Thread Russavia
Lisa, Thanks for your reply and clarification. When one clicks on the fundraising banner from the UK, they get taken to this site.[1] As you can see there is no prominent link about gift aid on that page. There is, however, a link at the bottom under Tax deductibility information which takes you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 December 2014 at 21:10, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: How much money do we expect to raise (or did we last year), from the UK? How much of the money raised from the UK will attract Gift Aid[*] tax releif? Unless I've missed it these questions have not yet been answered.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-08 Thread Charles Gregory
Russavia (and everyone), I've asked about, and from I can find the WMF has contracted out collection of BPay payments to a third party merchant (an Australian business). This has been the case since the first fundraiser that WMAU was not involved in payment processing (2011 I think). Regards,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-07 Thread Russavia
Lisa On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2) When a U.K. donor is looking to add Gift Aid to their donation, we process the donation through our account with the U.K. Fund for Charities, which charges 1% for this service and returns the donor data to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-07 Thread Lisa Gruwell
Hi Russavia- I haven't seen the specific comment from SJ that you are referencing, but I am guessing that he is referring to the Gift Aid percentage match, which used to be 20% and is now 25%. The 1% I mentioned is the processing fee WMF pays to the U.K. Fund for Charities for processing our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, A similar possibility is in existence in the Netherlands... National charities can easily get such a status. It is possible for international organisations but it is more difficult.. In order to optimise fundraisers it is extremely relevant that we optimise it for our donors. That makes it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Russavia
All On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: How much money do we expect to raise (or did we last year), from the UK? How much of the money raised from the UK will attract Gift Aid[*] tax releif? I've seen figures of $500,000 being mentioned in relation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is NOT the chapter that has to change its ways. Thanks, GerardM On 5 December 2014 at 11:27, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: All On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: How much money do we expect to raise (or did we last

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread
On 5 December 2014 at 10:50, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, It is NOT the chapter that has to change its ways. Thanks, GerardM Actually, under Sue Gardner, the offer was that if the chapter did change its ways, it would become a payment processor again. As a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread mathias . damour
- Mail original - De: Fæ fae...@gmail.com Actually, under Sue Gardner, the offer was that if the chapter did change its ways, it would become a payment processor again. As a trustee at that time, who was sent all the correspondence, this was exactly what was put in writing. And

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread
On 5 December 2014 at 14:12, mathias.dam...@laposte.net wrote: - Mail original - De: Fæ fae...@gmail.com Actually, under Sue Gardner, the offer was that if the chapter did change its ways, it would become a payment processor again. As a trustee at that time, who was sent all the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Michael Maggs
I regret that Fae has thought it necessary to bring his personal grievance against the UK chapter and one specific individual over to the Wikimedia-l mailing list now that he is unable to make such comments on the Wikimedia-UK list or the WMUK website. I would hope that the moderators will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Russavia
Michael, On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote: I regret that Fae has thought it necessary to bring his personal grievance against the UK chapter and one specific individual over to the Wikimedia-l mailing list now that he is unable to make such comments on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Russavia
Sorry, that of course should have read: I'd appreciate some sort of response from you Michael that does NOT include ad hominem attacks. I guess I've been a Wikimedian so long that ad hominem attacks are often the norm, rather than the exception. Or it could have just been a brainfart. I'll let

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Nick Birse
I don't want to be seen to be taking sides and don't intend to become embroiled in WMUK internal politics (which is why I've never joined the chapter). I've never received an explanation as to why around $500,000 of Gift Aid is out of reach and unavailable to either WMUK or WMF, despite asking

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Michael Maggs
Hi Nick Over the last few years the Foundation has decisively moved away from allowing local chapters to take part in the on-screen fundraiser, preferring to centralise the work in spite of the loss of the available local tax reliefs (such as Gift Aid in the UK). Many chapters, including

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Russavia
Michael On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote: Over the last few years the Foundation has decisively moved away from allowing local chapters to take part in the on-screen fundraiser, preferring to centralise the work in spite of the loss of the available local

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Chris Keating
Also, if anyone's interested in the latest news on Wikimedia UK's governance, do have a look at our most recent governance audit - further info here: https://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2014/11/final-report-on-wikimedia-uk-governance-released/ Some quotes include; *“The charity has very largely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Nathan
Wasn't there also an issue with WMUK processing payments, in that they couldn't pass 100% of the donations on to the WMF but had to retain some or most of the funds in order to remain independent under British law? That seems like a good reason why the WMF might not want WMUK to process payments,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Lisa Gruwell
You can find information on the tax deductibility of donations to WMF here: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Tax_Deductibility/en#.C2.A0Netherlands Quickly, to address a few points that have been raised: 1) Yes, donations to WMF are tax deductible in the Netherlands 2) When a U.K. donor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Risker
On 5 December 2014 at 13:25, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Michael On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote: Over the last few years the Foundation has decisively moved away from allowing local chapters to take part in the on-screen fundraiser,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Chris Keating
Hi Nathan, On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Wasn't there also an issue with WMUK processing payments, in that they couldn't pass 100% of the donations on to the WMF but had to retain some or most of the funds in order to remain independent under British law?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, For what it is worth ... http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_CJE-09-5_en.htm Thanks, GerardM On 5 December 2014 at 19:56, Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org wrote: You can find information on the tax deductibility of donations to WMF here:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Mathias Damour
Le 05/12/2014 19:22, Michael Maggs a écrit : Hi Nick Over the last few years the Foundation has decisively moved away from allowing local chapters to take part in the on-screen fundraiser, preferring to centralise the work in spite of the loss of the available local tax reliefs (such as Gift

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, For what it is worth ... http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_CJE-09-5_en.htm Thanks, GerardM For the benefit of others... The press release, from 2009, describes a preliminary ruling that states of